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Grave? Who will be assassinated?
I think that’s their concern. Family back on the other side of the Pacific within reach of the Chinese communist party. With Long & Dong on the committee getting their testimony…& the fear is that they’re gonna report right back to the CCP…oh well…

Both diaspora groups are upset because Commissioner Marie-Josée Hogue granted full standing to former Ontario Liberal cabinet minister Michael Chan, now deputy mayor of Markham, Ont., and independent MP Han Dong. This type of standing means they can cross-examine witnesses and gain access to all evidence collected, including that presented to the inquiry outside of hearings.

Justice Hogue, a judge on the Quebec Court of Appeal, also granted intervenor status to Senator Yuen Pau Woo during the fact-finding phase of the hearings, which allows him to participate in the hearings examining foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. He also has standing during the second policy phase where the inquiry is supposed to recommend changes to better protect Canada.

“We have grave concerns regarding the objectivity and the security integrity of the Foreign Interference Commission of Inquiry, primarily due to standing being granted to individuals suspected to have strong ties to the Chinese consulates, and their proxies,” Canadian Friends of Hong Kong (CFHK) said in a statement. “We denounce the granting of full standing to MP Han Dong and Michael Chan and intervenor status to Senator Yuen Pau Woo.”
 

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I think that’s their concern. Family back on the other side of the Pacific within reach of the Chinese communist party. With Long & Dong on the committee getting their testimony…& the fear is that they’re gonna report right back to the CCP…oh well…

Both diaspora groups are upset because Commissioner Marie-Josée Hogue granted full standing to former Ontario Liberal cabinet minister Michael Chan, now deputy mayor of Markham, Ont., and independent MP Han Dong. This type of standing means they can cross-examine witnesses and gain access to all evidence collected, including that presented to the inquiry outside of hearings.

Justice Hogue, a judge on the Quebec Court of Appeal, also granted intervenor status to Senator Yuen Pau Woo during the fact-finding phase of the hearings, which allows him to participate in the hearings examining foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. He also has standing during the second policy phase where the inquiry is supposed to recommend changes to better protect Canada.

“We have grave concerns regarding the objectivity and the security integrity of the Foreign Interference Commission of Inquiry, primarily due to standing being granted to individuals suspected to have strong ties to the Chinese consulates, and their proxies,” Canadian Friends of Hong Kong (CFHK) said in a statement. “We denounce the granting of full standing to MP Han Dong and Michael Chan and intervenor status to Senator Yuen Pau Woo.”
Can't they buy passports with those connections?
 

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Can't they buy passports with those connections?
Can’t the family of Chinese Canadians, that are still in China or Hong Kong, just buy passports and flee the Chinese Communist Party’s reach if their family & friends in Canada testify in front of a committee for parliament…that might have members present reporting back to the CCP? Is that what you’re asking here?
 

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Can’t the family of Chinese Canadians, that are still in China or Hong Kong, just buy passports and flee the Chinese Communist Party’s reach if their family & friends in Canada testify in front of a committee for parliament…that might have members present reporting back to the CCP? Is that what you’re asking here?
You or I could never hide in Richmond BC but they can.
 

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Can’t the family of Chinese Canadians, that are still in China or Hong Kong, just buy passports and flee the Chinese Communist Party’s reach if their family & friends in Canada testify in front of a committee for parliament…that might have members present reporting back to the CCP? Is that what you’re asking here?
Presumably, but how many people should so profoundly disrupt their lives for the sake of a committee report that will produce no action, and be used entirely as a stick to beat one's opponents in Canada with?
 
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This is getting easier and easier for China & the Liberals every day it seems. The human-rights group Canadian Friends of Hong Kong says it won’t participate in Canada’s public inquiry into foreign interference, citing what it calls grave concerns about the standing granted to three politicians with alleged ties to the Chinese government.
Fuck me, we need an election.
 

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It was only because a panel of judges eventually found that contrary to the Trudeau government’s claims about the too-sensitive nature of the documents — 600 pages in all — the barricade it built was mostly to protect itself from public embarrassment.

And it was only by releasing those documents that Canadians were permitted last week to learn that four years ago, the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service had determined that research scientist Xiangguo Qiu, a Public Health Canada employee at the lab, had been engaging in clandestine activity to the benefit of Xi Jinping’s regime by secretly sending scientific findings and materials to China.

In shutting down an ethics committee probe into just how it came to pass that two Beijing-linked scientists managed to get away with dangerously compromising security at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, at least the Trudeau government (with a little help from their friends) is being consistent.

Ever since coming to power in 2015, the Liberals have chosen to hide the scope and extent of Beijing’s ever-expanding influence, interference and infiltration operations in Canada. By acts of obstruction, distraction and filibuster, the pattern is by now easily predictable. There’s nothing surprising about it anymore. The pattern played out exactly as you would imagine in the Winnipeg lab case.
 

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It was only because a panel of judges eventually found that contrary to the Trudeau government’s claims about the too-sensitive nature of the documents — 600 pages in all — the barricade it built was mostly to protect itself from public embarrassment.

And it was only by releasing those documents that Canadians were permitted last week to learn that four years ago, the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service had determined that research scientist Xiangguo Qiu, a Public Health Canada employee at the lab, had been engaging in clandestine activity to the benefit of Xi Jinping’s regime by secretly sending scientific findings and materials to China.

In shutting down an ethics committee probe into just how it came to pass that two Beijing-linked scientists managed to get away with dangerously compromising security at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, at least the Trudeau government (with a little help from their friends) is being consistent.

Ever since coming to power in 2015, the Liberals have chosen to hide the scope and extent of Beijing’s ever-expanding influence, interference and infiltration operations in Canada. By acts of obstruction, distraction and filibuster, the pattern is by now easily predictable. There’s nothing surprising about it anymore. The pattern played out exactly as you would imagine in the Winnipeg lab case.
Keep in mind China owns oil and other resources in Canada that Liberals are trying to keep from being exported. Year 8 of a two year pipeline and the same on the LNG make that clear. Its a you fuck us, we fuck you thing.
 

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Keep in mind China owns oil and other resources in Canada that Liberals are trying to keep from being exported. Year 8 of a two year pipeline and the same on the LNG make that clear. Its a you fuck us, we fuck you thing.
The commission investigating allegations of foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections will allow opposition parties to cross-examine witnesses as it moves into its next phase later this month.

The Conservative Party, New Democratic Party, the Bloc Québécois and former Conservative leader Erin O'Toole will be granted the additional rights if they wish to accept them, according to a letter from the commission's lead counsel, Shantona Chaudhury. CBC News obtained a copy of the letter. The news was first reported by the Globe and Mail.

All four were initially only granted intervener status by Commissioner Marie-Josée Hogue.

(Interveners are people or groups that Hogue decides have a general interest in the issues, but not to the same degree as those with full standing. Interveners have the right to make written submissions but, for the most part, can't cross-examine witnesses or get an advance view of the evidence. At the time Hogue, indicated that she could make exceptions)

In addition to the ability to cross-examine, the letter said all four will have access to certain documents, though Chaudhury said that does not include classified documents.

"The Commission has no authority to disclose classified information," she wrote.
While their parties were initially only granted intervener status, Conservative MP Michael Chong and NDP MP Jenny Kwang were given full status. Both have spoken publicly about being informed that they've been targets of foreign interference by the government of China.

The inquiry — officially known as the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interference in Federal Electoral Processes and Democratic Institutions — was triggered by media reports last year that, citing unnamed security sources and classified documents, accused China of interfering in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.
 
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Hogue’s (Justice Marie-Josée Hogue. She’s the head of the public inquiry into foreign interference) inquiry took over from the total collapse of credibility that “special rapporteur” David Johnston brought upon his appointment to look into China’s election interference operations, which had been Prime Minister Trudeau’s substitute for the public inquiry the Opposition was demanding. But the same dark cloud has been hovering above Hogue’s exertions ever since.

At stake is Hogue’s credibility and the already-battered credibility of the entire Public Inquiry into Foreign Interference in Federal Electoral Processes and Democratic Institutions, which was established last September only after the House of Commons forced it on Trudeau’s minority Liberal government.

You’ve got to feel at least a twinge of pity for Justice Marie-Josée Hogue. She’s the head of the public inquiry into foreign interference that is only now getting off the ground, 16 months after leaked intelligence first revealed that Beijing ran elaborate election-interference operations to the benefit of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal party in 2019 and 2021, and the government knew it but did nothing about it.
 

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Canada’s inquiry into foreign interference will begin two weeks of public hearings on Wednesday, a day after Ottawa joined its Five Eyes allies in blaming China for widespread cyberattacks that U.S. officials have said targeted politicians and Beijing’s critics.

The Foreign Interference Commission inquiry, announced by the federal government in September and headed by Quebec Superior Court Justice Marie-Josèe Hogue, held preliminary public hearings in January and early February. Those five days of testimony focused on the limitations and potential impacts of disclosing national security information to the public.

The hearings that begin this week will focus on meddling in Canada’s 2019 and 2021 federal elections – interference that The Globe and Mail has reported, based on documents and national security sources, was directed by China.
These hearings will be the first to include testimony from diaspora groups and politicians targeted by China. The inquiry will also hear from elections officials, Canadian Security Intelligence Service director David Vigneault, RCMP Commissioner Michael Duheme and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
 
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We may as well shut down the Foreign Interference Commission right now. No need to investigate further, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has spoken. Despite the fact that Trudeau isn’t scheduled to appear before the committee until next week, he’s already declared there was never any impact on the election due to outside interference.
Each party models what they expect the vote result to look like based on polling, information gathered by candidates and campaign workers via door-knocking and as a result of historical voting patterns. O’Toole said it was clear that many voters they expected to support them simply stayed home.

The inquiry also heard Wednesday from Conservative MP Michael Chong, NDP MP Jenny Kwan and former Conservative MP Kenny Chui. While Chong and Kwan won their seats, despite the actions of the Chinese government, Chiu is one of the Conservative seats that was lost to the Liberals after Chiu was targeted over his strong statements against human rights abuses by Beijing.

“It’s almost like I was drowning, and they were watching it,” Chiu said of his experience in the 2021 election. So, Trudeau gets to say that the integrity of the elections, in every riding, held. As long as you ignore all the problems.
Speaking at the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interference, O’Toole said his team knew they were going to lose on election night but were convinced that the Conservatives would still win up to 128 seats, but when the results came in, several ridings showed anomalies that could not be explained. They were the same ridings where China’s foreign interference had been anticipated.

“That night, there was already clear indication that a number of ridings were vastly outside of our modelling window, and the ridings were the same ridings that we had been complaining about with respect to foreign interference,” he said.

His team was hearing reports of misinformation in the Chinese community, such as how a future Conservative government would cancel the use of the popular Chinese social media platform WeChat or how they would require Chinese Canadians to limit their travels.

O’Toole noted there were “many horrific reports” about former Conservative MP Kenny Chiu, in particular, to the point where Chiu was “fearful” for his own well-being and his family’s. Chiu lost his seat in the 2021 election after being a target of criticism on WeChat.

O’Toole said that no immediate action was taken by the party during the campaign because his team was reassured that any potential threats were being monitored by the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections (SITE) task force.

But a top-secret briefing note from the task force dated less than one week before the election reported there was a co-ordinated operation aimed at discouraging voters from voting Conservative.
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The briefing note detailed media accounts on Chinese social media platforms sharing a narrative that O’Toole wanted to “break diplomatic ties with China.”

O’Toole said that this information was never raised to his party’s attention and that any concerns of foreign interference were “always downplayed” by the SITE Task Force.
 

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T he Communications Security Establishment, which handles signals intelligence, will have its deputy head Dan Rogers appear.

He'll be followed by the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, David Vigneault, and three of his colleagues.

RCMP Commissioner Mike Duheme is slated to take the stand this afternoon, and the day is expected to end with the head of Global Affairs Canada, deputy minister David Morrison.
 

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Han Dong, whose last-minute admission to Justice Marie-Josée Hogue’s public inquiry into election interference — that he’d personally recruited the students — was a shocker. So was the Canadian Security Intelligence Service brief to the effect that the students appeared to have been coerced by a proxy of China’s Toronto consulate, and warned that they’d face reprisals if they refused to go along.

The Liberal party saw nothing amiss about foreign students showing up to vote en masse for Dong, who subsequently stepped away from the Liberal caucus to sit as an independent while a melodrama derived from leaked CSIS reports about his conduct sorted itself out. The party’s rules say that anyone over the age of 14 who is “ordinarily resident in Canada” can vote in party nominations and leadership races. CSIS also says the students not resident in the Don Valley riding were provided with falsified documents by the Chinese consulate.

But none of this will come as a surprise to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, because he’s known about all of this from the beginning. CSIS alerted him to the Don Valley North goings on four years ago. Trudeau said nothing about it, and he did nothing about it.

Early last year, after it was reported that CSIS had warned him about Dong’s compromised candidacy, Trudeau bristled. The Liberals were “extraordinarily happy and lucky” to have Dong as an MP, Trudeau said, and “unelected security officials” don’t decide who should or shouldn’t run for office.
Trudeau also attributed concerns about Dong’s nomination win to “anti-Asian racism,” as did David Johnston, the “special rapporteur” Trudeau appointed as part of his ultimately failed strategy to block the public inquiry, which has only now begun with Justice Hogue’s public hearings.

Johnston was privy to the same CSIS intelligence that was made public Tuesday, but in the report he filed recommending against a public inquiry, he alluded only to certain mere “irregularities” in Dong’s nomination win but was otherwise dismissive of concerns. “Reports of buses of people brought to nomination meetings may be a surprise to the less initiated,” Johnston wrote in his report, “but numerous people with campaign experience told us that there are ‘always buses,’ and wondered whether they get more attention when they contain racialized Canadians.”