Rapporteur David Johnson, Eminent Canadian

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After months of resisting the idea, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced a major public inquiry tasked with investigating how China has meddled in Canadian politics.
OK, finally! Phew! Let’s expose this to sunlight and get to the bottom of this…
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The reversal, amid miserable domestic polling numbers and intense pressure from the opposition parties and media, comes after more than a year of revelations about Beijing’s efforts to interfere in Canada—largely to the advantage of Trudeau’s Liberal Party.
And after more than a year of foot dragging and Rapporteur's and so on and so forth…finally!
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The forthcoming report promises to be deeply uncomfortable for the Canadian government in Ottawa. Since he first came into office, Trudeau—like his predecessors—has attempted a tricky balancing act with the Chinese regime, promoting trade and diplomacy with Beijing whilst trying to find some recourse for human rights abuses, illiberal trade practices, and foreign meddling.
The Official Opposition is criticizing the judge running the public inquiry into foreign interference for not granting the Conservative Party full standing in the first phase of this probe, a decision that means they cannot ask questions of witnesses or gain access to any evidence gathered outside of the hearings??? Huh??
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Justice Hogue in a 71-page decision Monday announced which individuals and groups would be granted full standing and which would be granted intervenor status.

She also warned the Conservatives against politicking during the inquiry and cautioned she could revoke their intervenor status if they ignored this.

Mr. Skamski said the judge’s remarks are troubling. “Justice Hogue’s comments pre-emptively singling out Conservatives for a warning about partisanship suggests bias,” he said.
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Trudeau has styled himself as a global crusader against foreign meddling—at least when it carried Russian President Vladimir Putin’s fingerprints. Now, like Australia and the United States before it, Canada is grappling with tough questions.
The first part of the foreign interference inquiry will examine foreign interference by states such as China in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections. The second phase will examine what reforms are necessary to fight foreign interference.
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How was such a brazen interference campaign allowed to continue uninterrupted for so long? Why was the public kept in the dark about it? And did Trudeau’s own policies encourage these covert operations?
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Just as it was beginning to tackle these questions in earnest, Ottawa made the stunning accusation that New Delhi was also meddling in its affairs in a far more severe manner — by, allegedly, murdering a prominent activist.
But this Public Inquiry is about Foreign “Election” Interference. The Conservatives say it was their party that was targeted by the Chinese government, including foreign affairs critic Michael Chong. In May, former Conservative leader Erin O’Toole revealed that Canada’s spy agency has told him he was also the target of a misinformation and voter-suppression operation by the Chinese Communist Party - demonstrating what he called an “orchestrated campaign of foreign interference” leading up to and during the 2021 federal election.
Now it must figure out how to assert its sovereignty again. And the best place is to start is by understanding how it got here.

Amid the India-Canada diplomatic row, a senior journalist from Canada has said that there is a big spectre of foreign interference from China in the country.

Daniel Bordman's comments come as tensions continue to flare between India and Canada after Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's explosive allegations of a "potential" involvement of Indian agents in the killing of Sikh separatist leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar on his country's soil on June 18 in British Columbia. India had designated Nijjar as a terrorist in 2020.

India angrily rejected the allegations as "absurd" and "motivated" and expelled a senior Canadian diplomat in a tit-for-tat move to Ottawa's expulsion of an Indian official over the case.

The journalist, in an interview with ANI, said there is an enormous threat of Chinese meddling in Canada as Justin Trudeau's Liberal party has, during several election cycles sought support from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), regarding which there is a story in Canada to move the spectrum away from Chinese foreign involvement.
It is interesting timing in hindsight with respect to the accusation by the Trudeau Government without presenting any evidence whatsoever….in the finger pointing against India. It did put China on the back burner…huh…
"If you want to have some Canadian context about what's going on and why he may have done this, here's what I think is maybe the leading theory we can say as to why Trudeau has started to fight with India.
Sebastian Skamski, director of media relations for the Opposition Leader’s Office, said this decision by Commissioner Marie-Josée Hogue, a judge of the Quebec Court of Appeals, undercuts the credibility of the inquiry that will get under way in January.
In Canada, we have this big, big spectre of foreign interference from China. That's a major scandal right now. It's Justin Trudeau's Liberal party, was getting help from the CCP at different points in elections... It's a whole big thing that we need an investigation into," he told the news agency.
The Conservatives say it’s unfair that the governing Liberals effectively have gained full standing in the first phase of the inquiry because the government has been granted this right while they have only been given intervenor status in the hearings. Intervenors cannot ask questions of witnesses but can make submissions to the inquiry. They can also only gain access to evidence that is presented publicly to the probe.
So in order to shift the spectrum from Chinese foreign interference, we have a story in Canada, which is essentially a story about Pakistani foreign interference, being framed as a story of Indian foreign interference to cover up the real story, which is Chinese interference," he said.
“Political parties are not bit players in this story; they are central to the issues at hand,” Mr. Skamski said. “Conservative candidates and MPs have been specifically targeted by Beijing’s efforts to influence our elections and reports from the media have suggested that it was the explicit strategy of the CCP to target the Conservative Party and benefit Liberals.”
In May, Mr. Chong learned from The Globe and Mail that Beijing had targeted him and his relatives in Hong Kong in the leadup to the 2021 election, a revelation that led the federal government to expel Chinese diplomat Zhao Wei.
“The decision by Justice Hogue to deny full standing to the Conservative Party in the public inquiry is deeply concerning and undermines the credibility of the entire process,” Mr. Skamski said. “Political parties are directly affected by foreign interference in our democracy.”
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He said it’s wrong for the Official Opposition to be denied full standing while the government is granted it. “While the Conservative Party has been denied full standing, the Liberals – via the Government of Canada – do have full standing. The double standard is glaring.”
Inquiry hearings will take place early in the New Year that will focus on foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. The inquiry’s first report is due by Feb. 29, 2024.
 

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Cuz according to liberals, it's only fair!
It’s been crazy and convoluted from the very beginning years ago, right back to the “pay for access” to the Chinese businessman meetings, to the donations to the Trudeau Society foundation, to all of the different people from the Trudeau foundation board that received the payments investigating themselves and the liberals to find nothing, to the whole Rapporteur thing, and the Chinese police stations in Canada, and so on its so forth…

This is just par for the course at this point.
 
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Say you're guilty without saying you're guilty.
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Cuz according to liberals, it's only fair!
Earlier this month, the Conservative Party was granted intervenor standing during the first phase looking into foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. This means it can present evidence and suggest witnesses but will not have the power to cross-examine witnesses or gain access to evidence presented outside of the hearings.
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Commissioner Hogue has, however, already granted full standing, or what is called party standing, to Conservative foreign affairs critic Michael Chong, whom The Globe and Mail revealed in May was targeted by China along with his Hong Kong relatives over criticism of Beijing.
1703344021191.jpegJustice Marie-Josée Hogue, who heads Canada’s public inquiry into foreign interference by China and other states, on Friday rejected an appeal by the Conservative Party for full standing during the fact-finding phase of the probe.

The inquiry commission announced Friday that hearings will begin Jan. 29.

Also, on Friday, Commissioner Hogue rejected an appeal from some members of a self-described Human Rights Coalition representing diaspora ethnic communities. The group challenged her decision to grant full standing in the first phase of the inquiry to independent MP Han Dong and Michael Chan, deputy mayor of Markham, Ont., as well as intervenor status granted to Senator Yuen Pau Woo.

“In its application, the Human Rights Coalition claims that Mr. Chan, Mr. Dong, and Senator Woo have possible links to and support for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP),” Commissioner Hogue wrote Friday.

“They argue that the participation of these three individuals in hearings and their access to sensitive information shared by witnesses or victims will deter witnesses from speaking freely about their firsthand experience and information regarding foreign interference and transnational repression by the CCP,” she wrote.
1703344621676.jpegSome Canadian activists who frequently criticize the Chinese government have said they do not feel comfortable testifying at an inquiry where Mr. Dong and Mr. Chan, accused of close ties to China, have been granted the ability to cross-examine witnesses.
 
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Earlier this month, the Conservative Party was granted intervenor standing during the first phase looking into foreign interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections. This means it can present evidence and suggest witnesses but will not have the power to cross-examine witnesses or gain access to evidence presented outside of the hearings.
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Commissioner Hogue has, however, already granted full standing, or what is called party standing, to Conservative foreign affairs critic Michael Chong, whom The Globe and Mail revealed in May was targeted by China along with his Hong Kong relatives over criticism of Beijing.
View attachment 20489Justice Marie-Josée Hogue, who heads Canada’s public inquiry into foreign interference by China and other states, on Friday rejected an appeal by the Conservative Party for full standing during the fact-finding phase of the probe.

The inquiry commission announced Friday that hearings will begin Jan. 29.

Also, on Friday, Commissioner Hogue rejected an appeal from some members of a self-described Human Rights Coalition representing diaspora ethnic communities. The group challenged her decision to grant full standing in the first phase of the inquiry to independent MP Han Dong and Michael Chan, deputy mayor of Markham, Ont., as well as intervenor status granted to Senator Yuen Pau Woo.

“In its application, the Human Rights Coalition claims that Mr. Chan, Mr. Dong, and Senator Woo have possible links to and support for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP),” Commissioner Hogue wrote Friday.

“They argue that the participation of these three individuals in hearings and their access to sensitive information shared by witnesses or victims will deter witnesses from speaking freely about their firsthand experience and information regarding foreign interference and transnational repression by the CCP,” she wrote.
View attachment 20491Some Canadian activists who frequently criticize the Chinese government have said they do not feel comfortable testifying at an inquiry where Mr. Dong and Mr. Chan, accused of close ties to China, have been granted the ability to cross-examine witnesses.
Huh, I thought (or was given the understanding) that these people were targeted by the CCP because of their objection to the CCP not because they supported the CCP. Was the initial news about this wrong or has the "context" changed? I'm confused (which is nothing new LOL).
 
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Huh, I thought (or was given the understanding) that these people were targeted by the CCP because of their objection to the CCP not because they supported the CCP. Was the initial news about this wrong or has the "context" changed? I'm confused (which is nothing new LOL).
Some where targeted positively, & some where targeted negatively, by the CCP as I understand it.

The ones that the CCP would want in power where targeted positively with assistance, & the ones that the CCP thought would be negative towards Chinese policy where targeted negatively with slander, lies, and assistance to their competitors campaigns.

The issue being pointed out above in the article is that some of those that were targeted “positively” by the CCP are actually sitting in on the hearing of this goat-rodeo, & can cross examine the witnesses…& potentially report back to the CCP sensitive information that will not be shared with the Canadian public even.
 

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Canada’s public inquiry into foreign interference during the 2019 and 2021 federal elections by China and other countries hasn’t heard its first witness yet and there are already questions about its impartiality.
 

Ron in Regina

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Well….the government initially resisted opposition pressure to call an inquiry and instead asked special rapporteur on foreign interference David Johnston to investigate the issues and decide whether an inquiry was needed.

The inquiry — officially the "Public Inquiry into Foreign Interference in Federal Electoral Processes and Democratic Institutions" — was triggered by media reports last year which, citing unnamed security sources and classified documents, accused China of interfering in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

The inquiry will hear this week from Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) Director David Vigneault and Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc, along with national security lawyers.
 

Ron in Regina

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Yes they will determine they can not talk publicly.
Well, maybe, and some of the stuff cannot be discussed publicly, but much of it probably can. It’s a matter of finding the balance.
Commissioner Marie-Josée Hogue opened the inquiry by promising the process will aim to get to the bottom of what happened, while also finding ways to protect national security.

The commission’s opening week will mostly focus on how the inquiry can discuss classified information in public and how it can communicate that information during the hearing process.
 

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Canada knows China tried to influence the last two federal elections, according to a top secret briefing report obtained by Global News that said the government “must do more” to fight foreign interference.

“We know that the PRC sought to clandestinely and deceptively influence the 2019 and 2021 federal elections,” according to the briefing released by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.