Rape Victim's Sentence Doubled
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Sorry, we have similar laws here. If the courts put a gag order on a case and that gag order is broken, then jail term can be sure to follow. In a Sharia court, there is ALWAYS a gag order implied.
Have any of you thought about the reason for the law that she was found guilty of breaking? Have any of you thought of what would have happened if she had NOT broken that law and had a male relative get the picture for her? Think about it now, this law is not meant to "subjugate" but to "protect".
Do I agree with it? No, but then again, I had similar "laws" in my house for my daughters, that did not apply to my boys, for basically the same reason this law is Sharia.
Have any of you thought about the reason for the law that she was found guilty of breaking? Have any of you thought of what would have happened if she had NOT broken that law and had a male relative get the picture for her? Think about it now, this law is not meant to "subjugate" but to "protect".
Do I agree with it? No, but then again, I had similar "laws" in my house for my daughters, that did not apply to my boys, for basically the same reason this law is Sharia.
...and this is precisely why Sharia law is not coming to Canada any time soon. Compromise might be reached with them in their own land. I doubt it, but what does it hurt to keep suggesting it. Here? This is our turf. Compromise only goes so far before we become compromised. There is a point where we have to toss political correctness out the window.
Woof!
I agree completely with your last statement but they have their own culture and religion which are different from ours and they, just as we, are allowed to practice and govern according to their own rules. It may be abhorrent what happens in these cases to, like you said, stand up and speak out against it only to be trampled but that is our view based on our ways.
If change is to really happen then the people themselves have to bring it about. We can not spout platitudes about individual freedoms & a live and let live attitude while at the same time attempting to impose our views on an entire nation. Once the people get fed up enough, they will bring about a change in their own way.
We're talking apples and oranges here - there's the pragmatic approach, which I see you and gerryh taking, which is fine... to a point. BUT in examining the justice of a situation, a good test is to ask yourself if this is something you'd want to see happen to you or a loved one. Would you agree with it then?
btw, you don't really believe that was the real reason for her sentencing do you? Perhaps on paper, but even as naive as I am, I can see that Sal's interpretation of the situation is much more likely.
So I ask you - should it be a world wide concept? Not challenging you IRBS, just curious as to where the basis for accepting such an idea comes from. It's completely impossible for me to relate to the notion that because it's occurring elsewhere, we should accept it and/or mind our own business.
My guess would be lack of self control? Two heads aren't always better than one. ;-)
Woof!
We would have to assume that we were right. In my opinion, our system (the west) is too slanted the other way where if you are a criminal you have a whole tonne of rights. If you are a victim ... not so much. Theres, nobody has any real rights.
The question rapidly becomes where and who draws the line and defines the rights. I bet you if we tried to get a list of rights which SHOULD be protected worldwide, we would not be able to get consensus on any of them just on this board. If we can't do it on a little tiny corner of the internet, what makes us think we can do it for the whole world?
Yes, I am a pesimist (and a bad speller).
No she apparently does not have that basic human right. But she none the less seems to understand that slavery is wrong and that the only road to freedom is through the media.
So how would you suggest these empowered people bring about change. They're not just fighting the system, they're fighting something much worse - the fear that is instilled into them from birth by actions exactly like the case in point, or worse.
I agree on one thing though - for the most part anytime I respond to issues such as this, I do feel that all I'm uttering is platitudes - much better if I had the courage within myself to stand up and be the change I wish to see. If we are too unwilling, too busy, too uncaring, too apathetic to stand up and instigate some sort of action oriented change, how can we expect those who have had any such power stripped from them before birth do so? If we cannot find it within our power to do so..... yes, me, you, us - with all the privileges and rights granted to us that could empower us to at least raise our voices without damaging our rights to do so - stand aside and spew platitudes as the best we can give to such a problem, what hope have they to find the way to change?
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While paternalism with a young daughter is appropriate, paternalism within a society toward a member solely because of their sex is repressive and leads to a victim mentality.
Saudi Arabia is known for its human rights abuses...[according to the institutions].
This should not come as surprise, in fact, I always expect it...with smile by my cheeks.
Not that I like it, it just seems obvious...
This should not come as surprise, in fact, I always expect it...with smile by my cheeks.
Not that I like it, it just seems obvious...
Yes only they can change their own law, that is true. And that is precisely why she was speaking out. It is also why we must support her right to speak out. In Afganistan our Canadian troops have made huge inroads with regard to this. Little girls in the out lying villages are back in school again. Something that the Taliban had forbidden.
There are also many enlightened Muslim men who have daughters that they would like to see educated and have a better life, not one where they are merely chattle. Bet they don't speak out too loudly either.
The process is slow but it will happen because the human will and desire to be free is greater than any chain.
Look for instance at the methods employed by the Blacks in the U.S.A in the 60's & 70's. Look at the methods used in South Africa to end apartheid. On the other end of the spectrum and going back a few years... the U.S. itself was formed by a group of people getting fed up. There are always ways and even a victim eventually becomes fed up with the lot they were handed. One of the nice things about globalisation is that it passively passes on hopes and possibilities to others that some things are truly possible. How they get there is their business.
I have answered your question. You view the action taken by them as one of protection. I view the action taken as repression.
I do realize that education is not a problem in Saudi Arabia yes. That is why the woman spoke up. Free the mind first and everything else will slowly follow.