if the government does not take steps to end this student protest I can see this taking a turn for the worst
Quebec’s anti-protest legislation tramples basic rights: legal experts
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Let me correct that for you:
There's something about the English-speaking part of Canada that really has a problem with continually writing cheques to the French
Most of us that care about democracy are too busy earning a living and supporting freeloaders to go take part in a riot.
If you don't like the current laws there are legitimate ways of overturning/changing them. Destroying private property isn't one of them.
Nope. it is more like having a nagging, lazy wife. You can only take so much then it is time to cut your losses.
Like I said, the inferiority complex on the English side is pretty staggering. Thankfully, Ontario seems to be waking up and they may join in protest of these government and police shenanigans.
There seems to be much misunderstanding of Quebec and its history. Quebec never provided the vast majority of Cabinet Ministers and some of those it did provide were Anglophones. When thinking about Quebec and its degree of participation in the wars, it might be as well to look at the facts not the myth. At the time of the WW!, about one third of Quebeckers were Anglophone and they were as much involved as any in Canada. The part of French Quebec that interacted with the English also volunteered.
The same applied to WWII.
Most of the rest of French Quebec was isolated by geography, culture and education from English Canada and English Quebec. Education was not compulsory in Quebec until 1949. The majority of Francophones were members of that Priest ridden society until shortly after that and were indoctrinated with fear of English Canada and fear for their survival, The world outside Quebec was alien to them.
The xenophobia has continued with the Sovereignist movement and has not yet been eradicated.
I once thought as many English Canadians do. Years of living there and involvement taught me that while I did not sympathise with the political expression I understood where it came from.
The same applied to WWII.
Most of the rest of French Quebec was isolated by geography, culture and education from English Canada and English Quebec. Education was not compulsory in Quebec until 1949. The majority of Francophones were members of that Priest ridden society until shortly after that and were indoctrinated with fear of English Canada and fear for their survival, The world outside Quebec was alien to them.
The xenophobia has continued with the Sovereignist movement and has not yet been eradicated.
I once thought as many English Canadians do. Years of living there and involvement taught me that while I did not sympathise with the political expression I understood where it came from.
Just heard on the radio that Quebec qualifies as the 5th most indebted jurisdiction in the industrialized world... 250 billion in debt and counting.
I suppose that if your measure of the greatest province is founded in an inability to support their society (quite a distinct society I'm told), then yeah, they are the greatest
As long as Que's distinct society depends on funding it with money, then the 'care about money' is directly tied to their ability to provide the societal perks.
.. But you already knew that didn't you? So, why ask such a naive question?
What other side is there?
Quality of life requires money and Quebec is mostly getting theirs from the rest of us And their grandchildren.
You make it sound like you need a lot of money to have a good time.
That's not true.
But the discussion isn't that simple to begin with. Which is why I think it's near-sighted just to look at the money.
Unfortunately, we have too many people who think that way.
Clearly, they can't even help themselves. They've gifted all kinds of sh*t to their population to the tune that they have amassed a provincial debt that they can't ever hope to pay.
That said, are Quebec students that f*cking stupid that they can't see that they are shooting themselves in the foot here?.. If they're b*tching today about a few bucks, how do you think they'll feel when they get saddled with a 1/4 TRILLION in provincial debt?
It's fine. They'll rebound.
But that aside, the rest of the country isn't suffering financially anyway.
Which brings me back to my point, that it's not always about the money to begin with. That's a narrow view that basically handicaps people conceptually.
That is certainly possible, but they had better be prepared to pay the piper after all these years of calling the tune... I expect that the actions to accomplish this will cut deep and hurt bad.
Que's debt is specifically provincial which albeit has an affect on the whole nation, it is to a degree localized to Que.
But it is about the money. Que is (and has) spent money that they don't have... In the end, the reason that the Que gvt is upping the school fees is because there is no more money for that.
They'll be fine. No one is going to become Greece or anything similar.
Hell, even the Greek situation is overstated.
Hell, even the Greek situation is overstated.
From what I can tell, the worst thing about the Greek situation is the Greeks, they are greedy and refuse to cut back. Some of them at least!
"God helps those who help themselves", Didn't see Quebec rushing in here during the recession of '83, too much of that "F**k you Jack, I'm alright" attitude back there.
Seems more and more insecure douchebags want to be popular like the other cool kids too.
Protests moving beyond Montreal and being just about tuition
MONTREAL — The unpredictable nightly protests that helped spur a government crackdown have largely been a Montreal-only affair — until now.
Since Premier Jean Charest passed a law last week limiting protests in the province, defiant demonstrations have popped up in cities not known as hotbeds of activism.
Small groups from Granby, south of Montreal, to Jonquiere, north of Quebec City, have joined Montrealers in taking to the streets with pots and pans to protest Bill 178.
Their message is clear: This conflict is not just about tuition anymore.
more 'we want' crap:
Quebec protests spreading beyond Montreal and being just about tuition | News | National Post
But hold on...
Quebec’s student protests should alarm all Canadian politicians and voters
One theory of the student “strike” that continues this week with massive nightly demonstrations in Montreal – some peaceful, some not – is that it is a “Quebec thing.” Or maybe a French thing, or a francophone thing. In any case, the theory says, it’s not a “Canadian” thing. Hikes to tuition elsewhere in Canada, where fees are generally vastly higher to begin with, might spawn a march or two, but nothing like this. Too great a sense of entitlement, too great a dependence on government (the so-called “Quebec model”), too many Marxist poli-sci professors, something in the water – whatever it is, it is exclusive to one of our founding peoples.
There is certainly much to this. This is by no means Quebec’s first student strike. In an article in La Presse in January, political scientist Benedict Lacoursière counted eight of them since 1968 (this is the ninth), and noted their excellent record of success in avoiding tuition hikes. William Johnson, the political commentator and former president of Alliance Quebec, argued recently that the province’s low tuition has never been “a choice made deliberately by a socially conscious government,” but rather the result of “blackmail on Union Nationale, Liberal and Parti Québécois governments by student action in the streets.”
yes, more
Quebec's student protests should alarm all Canadian politicians and voters: Chris Selley | Full Comment | National Post
Protests moving beyond Montreal and being just about tuition
MONTREAL — The unpredictable nightly protests that helped spur a government crackdown have largely been a Montreal-only affair — until now.
Since Premier Jean Charest passed a law last week limiting protests in the province, defiant demonstrations have popped up in cities not known as hotbeds of activism.
Small groups from Granby, south of Montreal, to Jonquiere, north of Quebec City, have joined Montrealers in taking to the streets with pots and pans to protest Bill 178.
Their message is clear: This conflict is not just about tuition anymore.
more 'we want' crap:
Quebec protests spreading beyond Montreal and being just about tuition | News | National Post
But hold on...
Quebec’s student protests should alarm all Canadian politicians and voters
One theory of the student “strike” that continues this week with massive nightly demonstrations in Montreal – some peaceful, some not – is that it is a “Quebec thing.” Or maybe a French thing, or a francophone thing. In any case, the theory says, it’s not a “Canadian” thing. Hikes to tuition elsewhere in Canada, where fees are generally vastly higher to begin with, might spawn a march or two, but nothing like this. Too great a sense of entitlement, too great a dependence on government (the so-called “Quebec model”), too many Marxist poli-sci professors, something in the water – whatever it is, it is exclusive to one of our founding peoples.
There is certainly much to this. This is by no means Quebec’s first student strike. In an article in La Presse in January, political scientist Benedict Lacoursière counted eight of them since 1968 (this is the ninth), and noted their excellent record of success in avoiding tuition hikes. William Johnson, the political commentator and former president of Alliance Quebec, argued recently that the province’s low tuition has never been “a choice made deliberately by a socially conscious government,” but rather the result of “blackmail on Union Nationale, Liberal and Parti Québécois governments by student action in the streets.”
yes, more
Quebec's student protests should alarm all Canadian politicians and voters: Chris Selley | Full Comment | National Post
