Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

[El Barto]

Anyway, my comment wasn't about the Bloc representing Quebec's interests, per se. But, I do have a problem when Gilles D. pokes his face into my TV screen and tells me that the reason his party exists is for the separation of Quebec.

Country boy , this line made me laugh , yeah I can't stand him either but sometimes he has his moments. I was not defending the BQ as I was trying to show a non biased view. And I did get you intent .

You bring up some good question. Nothing could be more divided per county as i see it here. Sometimes the margin from one party to the next is only a handfull of votes.

 

[countryboy]

Anyway, my comment wasn't about the Bloc representing Quebec's interests, per se. But, I do have a problem when Gilles D. pokes his face into my TV screen and tells me that the reason his party exists is for the separation of Quebec.

Country boy , this line made me laugh , yeah I can't stand him either but sometimes he has his moments. I was not defending the BQ as I was trying to show a non biased view. And I did get you intent .

You bring up some good question. Nothing could be more divided per county as i see it here. Sometimes the margin from one party to the next is only a handfull of votes.

Now that we have identified the root cause of Canada's problems, how do we go about fixing it? :lol::lol::lol: :canada: (And thanks for the good discussion!)

 

[El Barto]

Now that we have identified the root cause of Canada's problems, how do we go about fixing it? :lol::lol::lol: :canada: (And thanks for the good discussion!)

I guess a common goal we could aim for. Tho I think we are way too sheepish. We raise our arms and whine moan and complain , but rarely does it move people to get off thier as$es. As generations go we seem to be getting lazier and lazier . No real personal goals. Mind you thats in general. We don't seem to want to work towards anything as a society.
I don't know I'm guessing at it.

 

[countryboy]

I guess a common goal we could aim for. Tho I think we are way too sheepish. We raise our arms and whine moan and complain , but rarely does it move people to get off thier as$es. As generations go we seem to be getting lazier and lazier . No real personal goals. Mind you thats in general. We don't seem to want to work towards anything as a society.
I don't know I'm guessing at it.

Well, I chalked my (similar) opinion up to my getting older and perhaps grumpier. Wiser? Not sure about that. But, I see evidence of what you're saying every day. I hope we're seeing it wrong though.

Any society will always have a mix of doers and whiners and so on...but, if I can indulge in this thought for a minute...let's see - it's possible that we have become quite used to "instant gratification" in many ways...fast food, high-speed internet, cell phones, text messaging, streaming this and that, cable or satellite TV that can tell us what's going on anywhere in the world almost before it happens, experts and specialists on every subject you can name, predicting and/or analyzing anything and everything, and...well, is it simply "information overload", coupled with the speed of it all?

We may have become somewhat "immune" or at least desensitized to the importance of information...how could anyone sort out the "wheat from the chaff" with everything we hear/see these days? (Again, risk of age clouding my judgement here, I know...) As far as I can remember, the only real function of information is to make decisions. If that's true, our decision-making capabilities may be taking a hell of a beating.

Perhaps some of us are just grabbing on to issues and going with them - to an extreme, sometimes - because we don't/can't/won't sit down and think about them in detail - the short and long term total implications for the big picture and the long run (what the hell is that?) - and just shoot from the hip.

Hell, people can't even take the time to cook a meal anymore because they've convinced themselves they don't have time. Of course, that's because they've put their priorities on other things. Everyone has 24 hours in a day and, as far as I know, everyone still has a fair amount of freedom to decide how to spend those hours.

Well, it's a big subject and I certainly don't have the answers...just a few observations at best.

 

[El Barto]

This should be in a philosophy thread .
Yeah , theres no long term thinking. I for one am like that at the moment I had plans a few years ago and little by little they slipped away.

We do seem to love our gadgets and our priotities seemed to be skewed.
Why have kids if someone else is going to raise them?
Why do welfare reciepiants need cable , internet flat screen tv ?
I wanted a canoe once that cost about 2000 dollars . I sat down and calculated how much time i would have a year to use it. Kinda seemed expensive per use for the little time i'd be using it in a season.

 

[countryboy]

This should be in a philosophy thread .
Yeah , theres no long term thinking. I for one am like that at the moment I had plans a few years ago and little by little they slipped away.

We do seem to love our gadgets and our priotities seemed to be skewed.
Why have kids if someone else is going to raise them?
Why do welfare reciepiants need cable , internet flat screen tv ?
I wanted a canoe once that cost about 2000 dollars . I sat down and calculated how much time i would have a year to use it. Kinda seemed expensive per use for the little time i'd be using it in a season.

Off topic? No way...I'll bring 'er back here...if we weren't so taken with our gadgets and such, we'd all have more time to sit down and think through what the separation of Quebec would mean to us, to Canada...now and in the long run.

How did I do? :-|

 

[El Barto]

Off topic? No way...I'll bring 'er back here...if we weren't so taken with our gadgets and such, we'd all have more time to sit down and think through what the separation of Quebec would mean to us, to Canada...now and in the long run.

How did I do? :-|

lol you did good hahaha

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

It sucks the west is neglected. The Bloc party was supposed to be a one term party for the referendum.. odd they found reason to stick around. Tho on the flip side it does give them a different angle to critisize the current government.

Harper is supposed to represent the west and i don't know , doesn't seem to help things much.
Bah, anyway you look at it mp's lack the responsability to represent their citizens. When we start seeing that then we will be in a better position.

It's not odd the BQ found a way to stick around, our federal system allowed them to go on UI and remain in the same dead end jobs. The BQ is a cancer we let fester.

We ought to have Quebec federalists criticizing Canada, not separatists. The BQ has few minorities in their caucus. Maybe us Anglos like seeing liily white separatists rather than non-white federalists.

 

[El Barto]

It's not odd the BQ found a way to stick around, our federal system allowed them to go on UI and remain in the same dead end jobs. The BQ is a cancer we let fester.

We ought to have Quebec federalists criticizing Canada, not separatists. The BQ has few minorities in their caucus. Maybe us Anglos like seeing liily white separatists rather than non-white federalists.

LOL They did back pedal the BQ as they said they will not take the federal pension when they leave , but the thing is is that they will. I hate it when they say they are (politicians) going to do something and then do the opposit. At least if they said , we were wrong about it and changed our minds but it just shows you how much integrity they have.

 

[s_lone]

I'm very suspicious of those who'd be ready to force the Bloc out of parliament. That would be repressive and hints at fascism to me. The Bloc is a legitimate non-violent democratic movement and whether you like it or not, it would be anti-democratic to make them illegal.

And there's a simple fact that you should get in your head. Forcing the Bloc out of parliament would end Canada (as we know it) plain and simple. That would be a pill Quebecers couldn't swallow.

 

[Risus]

I'm very suspicious of those who'd be ready to force the Bloc out of parliament. That would be repressive and hints at fascism to me. The Bloc is a legitimate non-violent democratic movement and whether you like it or not, it would be anti-democratic to make them illegal.

And there's a simple fact that you should get in your head. Forcing the Bloc out of parliament would end Canada (as we know it) plain and simple. That would be a pill Quebecers couldn't swallow.

The Bloc is out to break up Canada. Therefore they are traitors and should be treated as such. Step one would be to force them out of Parliament. They hung Riel for being a traitor...

 

[lone wolf]

The Bloc is out to break up Canada. Therefore they are traitors and should be treated as such. Step one would be to force them out of Parliament. They hung Riel for being a traitor...

...then had to eat a lot of crow when logic came about to his way of thinking. Maybe the separatists should move on to stir things up in Louisiana.

 

[El Barto]

The Bloc is out to break up Canada. Therefore they are traitors and should be treated as such. Step one would be to force them out of Parliament. They hung Riel for being a traitor...

I back up what S_Lone just said by removing them you go against the democratic system and from there its a downward spiral. Louis Riel was just one man , big difference then a whole party. Take the BQ out of power and you will start a revolution , and those that were iffy on seperation will be clear on it after a stunt like that.

 

[Risus]

I back up what S_Lone just said by removing them you go against the democratic system and from there its a downward spiral. Louis Riel was just one man , big difference then a whole party. Take the BQ out of power and you will start a revolution , and those that were iffy on seperation will be clear on it after a stunt like that.

Who will revolt? Just other traitors. You are not destroying the democratic system. Anyway you start by charging , finding guilty and then hanging the leader of the party. The rest will take their yellow streak on their back and disappear.

 

[El Barto]

Who will revolt? Just other traitors. You are not destroying the democratic system. Anyway you start by charging , finding guilty and then hanging the leader of the party. The rest will take their yellow streak on their back and disappear.

wow that sounds so backward , and we did away with the death penalty ages ago. You want to bring that back?
Good thing you're not a politician.
You're deffinately not a diplomat. What would you want 3 or so Million people rioting. I doubt very much they'd go yellow streaking as you say. I think there would be many yellow streakers on the federal side if it ever come to that. You would be creating an October Crysis all over again. You would be doing more damage . You would be creating more opposition than disolving it. I see you are a great beleiver of democracy :roll:

 

[AnnaG]

Perhaps the answer to the senate question would be an appointed senate where the members were not appointed by politicians but were ordinary citizens appointed by ordinary citizens instead of politician(s) and that these appointed ordinary citizens would not be allowed to campaign or lobby and not have had any relationship with politicians other than in elections.

 

[El Barto]

Perhaps the answer to the senate question would be an appointed senate where the members were not appointed by politicians but were ordinary citizens appointed by ordinary citizens instead of politician(s) and that these appointed ordinary citizens would not be allowed to campaign or lobby and not have had any relationship with politicians other than in elections.

Yes , not party affiliation. Wish Parlement would be like that too. Biggest problem in our style of government is the party system we have. It leans more to a dictatorship way of doing things.

 

[Risus]

wow that sounds so backward , and we did away with the death penalty ages ago. You want to bring that back?
Good thing you're not a politician.
You're deffinately not a diplomat. What would you want 3 or so Million people rioting. I doubt very much they'd go yellow streaking as you say. I think there would be many yellow streakers on the federal side if it ever come to that. You would be creating an October Crysis all over again. You would be doing more damage . You would be creating more opposition than disolving it. I see you are a great beleiver of democracy :roll:

Well, the penalty for treason in Canada is life in prison, so I guess that will have to do,
Yes, I believe in democracy. Also who came out on top in the October Crisis??

 

[lone wolf]

Well, the penalty for treason in Canada is life in prison, so I guess that will have to do,
Yes, I believe in democracy. Also who came out on top in the October Crisis??

If you want to convince the undecided that separatist propaganda is the truth, go right ahead and do your best to start that war.

 

[El Barto]

Well, the penalty for treason in Canada is life in prison, so I guess that will have to do,
Yes, I believe in democracy. Also who came out on top in the October Crisis??

October crysis was led by a handful of individuals . Yeah , as if they would tople a government. :roll: