Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

[talloola]

No, quebec should not separate from Canada, it is just as canadian asevery other part of canada. I stayed in Montreal for 3 days a shortwhile ago, and it was delightful, I sure wish I could speak french, they all seem to be bilingual, and switch back and forth from onelanguage to the other constantly. I loved it there, and will go again.

 

[Cliffy]

I sense hypocrisy.

While Quebec is part of Canada, hydro electricity on Quebec territory belongs to Quebec... But if Quebec separates, it belongs to the the Natives?

Quebec will not separate. The aboriginals will take half the province, mostly in the north.

 

[s_lone]

Quebec will not separate. The aboriginals will take half the province, mostly in the north.

Perhaps... What I'm trying to say is that there it's hypocritical to say the North of Quebec belongs to Quebec and not to the aboriginals as long as Quebec is part of Canada.

Does the North of Quebec belong to the aboriginal or not?

 

[lone wolf]

Perhaps... What I'm trying to say is that there it's hypocritical to say the North of Quebec belongs to Quebec and not to the aboriginals as long as Quebec is part of Canada.

Does the North of Quebec belong to the aboriginal or not?

Between which line did you read that? It is Aboriginal land now, Why else would Quebec have to sign lease agreements with the Cree Nation re James Bay Power Project?

 

[El Barto]

Hi Les,
I see Anna finally let you on the computer.
None of the provinces would survive separation. I always saw Bouchard losing his leg to flesh eating disease as the ultimate metaphor for separation. He didn't get it either.

ROTLMAO @ Bouchard

 

[big]

I've read through the last several pages of....whatever this is. I hate to feed further
into what this Thread has degenerated into...but I have to ask, with respect to the
above quote in this post, "How so, big?"

Feel free to use more than one sentance in a non-cryptic answer. How is Quebec
"clean" and how is Alberta "dirty" and why will Canada have to choose between
these two specific provinces.

I'm not here to answer any question, I'm here to counter stupidities.

 

[El Barto]

Either be it Canadian or Quebecers they must see this nation was built by both. Canada would not be what it is today with out Quebec. Quebecers should also be grateful that when the British took over that we weren't moved or were forced to assimilate and speak English. The reasons I hear for separation that we would live better with out the Federal Government doesn't stand up, especially when you see a province can not be properly run with what they have. The sell the Idea we would have more money in our pockets if we did . That is a flat out lie !

 

[lone wolf]

I'm not here to answer any question, I'm here to counter stupidities.

...and you have certainly placed a lot of them on the counter....

 

[big]

...and you have certainly placed a lot of them on the counter....

Not one.

 

[countryboy]

Not one.

We should be so lucky. If not one, how many then? Dozens? Hundreds?

 

[big]

We should be so lucky. If not one, how many then? Dozens? Hundreds?

you tell me

 

[L Gilbert]

I'd say dozens, at least. And almost all of them have had the effect of hijacking threads.

Anyway, I hardly think ANY group should be in a special category when there aren't any or many other groups in other special categories. We are all the same species - the same race. We are different than others of the same species but the fact that we are shouldn't be the defining factor. That should be that we can coexist without making a big deal over the differences. Separating one bit of the species from the rest is just dumb.

 

[countryboy]

you tell me

I asked you first.

 

[Ron in Regina]

This Thread isn't about 'big'.....so please feel free to take the Thread
back to "(insert Thread subject here)" as indicated by the Thread
title. Thank You.

 

[countryboy]

This Thread isn't about 'big'.....so please feel free to take the Thread
back to "(insert Thread subject here)" as indicated by the Thread
title. Thank You.

Thanks Ron. I guess if you have to put together a form letter to try and control this thing, it probably isn't worth it to have a "bit of fun" with him (big) now and again. Sorry for any distractions I caused to the other folks.

I have enjoyed the exchanges though, and have actually learned some things from many of the folks and their posts. Time to sign off now.

Thanks to all for the experiences, and as they say (somewhere)..."Carry on Canada!"

 

[s_lone]

I'd say dozens, at least. And almost all of them have had the effect of hijacking threads.

Anyway, I hardly think ANY group should be in a special category when there aren't any or many other groups in other special categories. We are all the same species - the same race. We are different than others of the same species but the fact that we are shouldn't be the defining factor. That should be that we can coexist without making a big deal over the differences. Separating one bit of the species from the rest is just dumb.

So how about erasing all borders and being one big happy Planet Earth country? It just doesn't work that way. Canadians who diminish Quebecers for wanting to separating are usually the first to recoil in fear at the idea of uniting with the US.

Double standard?

 

[s_lone]

Either be it Canadian or Quebecers they must see this nation was built by both. Canada would not be what it is today with out Quebec. Quebecers should also be grateful that when the British took over that we weren't moved or were forced to assimilate and speak English.

True. But perhaps the British didn't have much choice than to let the French Canadians have it their way. We were numerous and they would have had a bloody rebellion on their hands had they tried to force French Canadians to british ways.

The reasons I hear for separation that we would live better with out the Federal Government doesn't stand up, especially when you see a province can not be properly run with what they have. The sell the Idea we would have more money in our pockets if we did . That is a flat out lie!

This argument can go both ways. Separatists will typically say that Quebec is dysfunctional precisely because it's part of Canada and that its identity crisis can only be solved by a country called Quebec.

I personally don't believe Quebec would have more money if it separated. But I do think there's a case to be made for the idea that the country (Quebec) could be much more efficient with working with what it has.

You're exaggerating by saying Quebec cannot properly run with what it already has. Why are you living here in the first place? Surely you must think something is right around here (Quebec)!!!

 

[lone wolf]

It's not really Quebec separation that is creating bitterness ... it's the constant threat/appeasement cycle. Quebec separation comes with a high cost to they who can least afford it. It's pretty much guaranteed that any amalgamation with the US will cost Quebec most. What is the official language in Louisiana?

 

[s_lone]

Between which line did you read that? It is Aboriginal land now, Why else would Quebec have to sign lease agreements with the Cree Nation re James Bay Power Project?

You have a point. But the problem stands. Who does the North of Quebec really belong to? The first nations? Canada? Or Quebec?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Perhaps... What I'm trying to say is that there it's hypocritical to say the North of Quebec belongs to Quebec and not to the aboriginals as long as Quebec is part of Canada.

Does the North of Quebec belong to the aboriginal or not?

Nobody knows, but I don't think that's really the issue. The argument was raised during the last referendum campaign that if Quebec opts to separate, all it's entitled to is its original borders from 1867, to which the separatists of course responded no, Quebec is not divisible; that really invalidates their position. If Canada as a sovereign nation is divisible, so must be Quebec as a sovereign nation. If any territorially definable sub-population within Quebec, like the aboriginal people who are the bulk of the population in the north, decide to leave Quebec and either go it alone or rejoin Canada, Quebec's not going to have much of an argument against them.