Protests across Canada denounce wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
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There finally I agree with you and the Iraqis whom I've read, they don't have the luxury of left or right perspective. But you should not be mistaken about the left and right struggle which transends western walls, and as such is a truly global struggle.I'm not blind but I am deaf to your protestations.:smile:
HAHAHAHA I'm a dangerous deluded idealogue, and you're what, a level headed pragmatic icon of common sense. hahahahahahah get some drugs Tamarin, treat that swollen head of yours.hahahahaha
THAT is the funniest post I've ever read by you Jimmoyer, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay I'll try to stop, sorry
Okay I'll try to stop, sorry
What confuses me, frankly, is this constant reference to being anti-American because one does not support the war in Iraq. This seems a confusion of the overall issue.It implies that any dissent to American foreign policy must mean one hates Americans. That is, in my opinion, an illogical leap of assumption to make.
And further, again, why are we not accussed of being anti-British or anti-Canadian? Their involvement in wars is also being protested.
What I see is we are embroiled in a hopeless war. I don't see a difference between Iraq and Afghanistan at all, and I for one would like our troops back here where they belong.
You would find far less anti-American sentiment if America learned to stop invading small countries and interfering in the political process of others. Let them keep themselves to themselves for a change. Frankly, Americans scare me, in terms of world peace, more than Arabs.
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I don't think not supporting the war makes someone anti-American. I do think being anti-American has made some people not support the war though. There are some people out there who would be pulling for this to work if it had UN blessing, but want the same mission to fail because it's Americans there. I have no respect for those people.
Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that it's short sighted and mean spirited to hope for their failure just because you don't like them. Their failure won't hurt them nearly as much as it will hurt others.
And if you want them to keep to themselves, I do hope you'll at least be consistent in that and not whine that they don't do enough to help those in need.
Personally I have NEVER said that any country "isn't doing enough" and if the US would pull back and get their house in order, I would not have a problem-
I am STILL mad about Canada doing most of what we're doing in Afghanistan- I think it's time to stop using the "THEY complain when the US doesn't do enough" line cos I don't really se it happening enough to warrant the notion carrying much weight anymore
I am STILL mad about Canada doing most of what we're doing in Afghanistan- I think it's time to stop using the "THEY complain when the US doesn't do enough" line cos I don't really se it happening enough to warrant the notion carrying much weight anymore
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Originally Posted by jimmoyer
There's one thing the average Iraqi knows about us Westerners. We lefties and righties think
there's a world of difference, but the Iraqi knows we're all the same group of confident idiots who
unknowingly will make great mistakes and cause great pain.
The Left will cause great pain by doing nothing and bragging how moral they are.
The Right will be gun-ho thinking they can stop one evil and yet be so incompetent and messy
that much innocent will be killed thus causing a new evil.
Either way both kinds of Westerners share the same obtuseness, the same blindness as
a common denominator.
There finally I agree with you and the Iraqis whom I've read, they don't have the luxury of left or right perspective. But you should not be mistaken about the left and right struggle which transends western walls, and as such is a truly global struggle.I'm not blind but I am deaf to your protestations.
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What is important in your so-called transcendent debate between left and right
is who is correct ---- not whether Iraq can get any help from anyone.
Can the Surge possibly work ?
I doubt it.
But what the Shia are doing or not doing might make it work.
But already you are seeing some changes by the various Shia. They are mostly standing down.
And al Sistani's quiet presence goes unnoticed by all the headlines that feed us our so-called
wisdom. You are seeing again the questioning of Iraqi killing Iraqi.
Does this bother the ideologues on both sides ?
Yes, facts often refute both sides of an argument. It bothers the Left that stays inside
one groove of thinking that this cannot possibly work. The rightwingers don't care enough
to see the Left's knowlege that breaking into people's homes won't work at all. The Left
doesn't care enough to notice the changing facts of the quiet Shia debate not shouted out
in the headlines they live by.
Originally Posted by jimmoyer
There's one thing the average Iraqi knows about us Westerners. We lefties and righties think
there's a world of difference, but the Iraqi knows we're all the same group of confident idiots who
unknowingly will make great mistakes and cause great pain.
The Left will cause great pain by doing nothing and bragging how moral they are.
The Right will be gun-ho thinking they can stop one evil and yet be so incompetent and messy
that much innocent will be killed thus causing a new evil.
Either way both kinds of Westerners share the same obtuseness, the same blindness as
a common denominator.
There finally I agree with you and the Iraqis whom I've read, they don't have the luxury of left or right perspective. But you should not be mistaken about the left and right struggle which transends western walls, and as such is a truly global struggle.I'm not blind but I am deaf to your protestations.
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What is important in your so-called transcendent debate between left and right
is who is correct ---- not whether Iraq can get any help from anyone.
Can the Surge possibly work ?
I doubt it.
But what the Shia are doing or not doing might make it work.
But already you are seeing some changes by the various Shia. They are mostly standing down.
And al Sistani's quiet presence goes unnoticed by all the headlines that feed us our so-called
wisdom. You are seeing again the questioning of Iraqi killing Iraqi.
Does this bother the ideologues on both sides ?
Yes, facts often refute both sides of an argument. It bothers the Left that stays inside
one groove of thinking that this cannot possibly work. The rightwingers don't care enough
to see the Left's knowlege that breaking into people's homes won't work at all. The Left
doesn't care enough to notice the changing facts of the quiet Shia debate not shouted out
in the headlines they live by.
You don't see it so it doesn't exist? Not exactly a logical position to take.
You obviously didn't see the criticism that Bush didn't give enough money immediately after the tsunami in South East Asia... You obviously don't hear people saying the US should have prevented the Rwandan genocide... You obviously don't hear the condemnation for them not having done enough to help those in Darfur... Trust me, there all out there. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.
Has anybody notice that freedom of speech today has a price? That price for now is name calling. Here is Canada people protested the Iraq war, that made us anti-American. We also protested the Afghanistan was that also made us anti-American. I though we also had soldiers in Afghanistan and had a right to protest our involvement in the war. Was it anti-American when there were protests in the streets against the Vietman War or are people selective about the different protests.
Today if you do not agree with the what is happening in the world you are labeled. Who started this name calling???? I don't know if I want to stoop down to that level but I think that when I want to call someone and idiot because of what they are saying, I will.
Today if you do not agree with the what is happening in the world you are labeled. Who started this name calling???? I don't know if I want to stoop down to that level but I think that when I want to call someone and idiot because of what they are saying, I will.
I don't know if I want to stoop down to that level but I think that when I want to call someone and idiot because of what they are saying, I will.
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Sparrow ?
Somehow I understand that silly illogic.
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Sparrow ?
Somehow I understand that silly illogic.
I think calling someone anti-American is justified when they take a one sided approach.
The same Iraqis that are being killed today are the same ones that were being killed before the Americans got there. Where were the mass worldwide protests then?
More people die from war in Africa every day than in Iraq yet again barely a peep from the so called pacifists.
When there are dozens of wars around the world, yet the same people protest ONLY the American wars, then it's pretty damn obvious that they are all anti-American.
What kind of mass murders were taking place in the months leading up to the US invasion exactly?? I mean "state sponsored" or are you talking insurgency-related??
Just want to clarify whatever it is you're saying
I, for one, am totally against what the US (and most of what Canada, in Afghanistan) is doing over there just in a global kind of way, I don't believe that any country should have the kind of "rights" such actions would require, PERIOD
The wars in Africa are another thing entirely, but thanks for giving them recognition- start another thread tho since this is not about Africa
Why don't I protest the situation in the former USSR??
Just want to clarify whatever it is you're saying
I, for one, am totally against what the US (and most of what Canada, in Afghanistan) is doing over there just in a global kind of way, I don't believe that any country should have the kind of "rights" such actions would require, PERIOD
The wars in Africa are another thing entirely, but thanks for giving them recognition- start another thread tho since this is not about Africa
Why don't I protest the situation in the former USSR??