Proof That a Price on Carbon Works

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If you can show how they did not meet their emissions reductions target, then I would have something to go on.

But it is accepted that they did so I'm not sure why that's such a big problem for you.
 

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If you can show how they did not meet their emissions reductions target, then I would have something to go on.

But it is accepted that they did so I'm not sure why that's such a big problem for you.
I can understand why you'd employ deceit to save face. What with your fragile ego and all.

Your opinion holds no weight, you're a proven liar.
 

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And of course the doubling of cross border fuel consumption had nothing to do with that. Which of course is only compounded by the the fact that they are predicted to miss future targets. With no insignificant impact from the spike in fuel consumption that was pointed out in the FP article.

I can understand why you'd employ deceit to save face. What with your fragile ego and all.

Your opinion holds no weight, you're a proven liar.
 

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I absolutely agree that moving forward, they need to make sure that there are further reductions.

That would necessitate incentives to producers to meet their own targets and to continue to invest alternate sources of energy.

It's a long term plan, but the fact that they legitimately brought down emissions for the first phase is very promising.
 

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The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) found that if the country had set a carbon tax of $25 per ton in 2015 and increased it by 5 percent each year, CO2 emissions would have fallen to 32 percent below 2005 levels by 2030. But new research shows that this may underestimate a carbon price’s true potential.

In the new World Resources Institute issue brief "Putting a Price on Carbon: Reducing Emissions," we outline the specific ways a carbon price (meaning either a carbon tax or cap-and-trade program) would encourage emissions reductions by changing the behavior of producers, consumers and investors throughout the economy.

We compare these incentives to the corresponding forecasts in EIA’s model, and we find that the model is likely underestimating emissions reductions in important ways.


Why a carbon price would cut emissions more than we expect | GreenBiz
 

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Any tax must be set high enough to induce change in our energy mix, but not so high that energy prices skyrocket. To protect growth, any legislation must ensure that low-income consumers and small businesses are protected, that larger businesses aren’t disadvantaged against foreign competitors in countries without carbon taxes, and that people in fossil-fuel-dependent communities get the support they need to transition into new industries.

Done right, carbon pricing can be a boon not just for fighting climate change but for moving our economy into the 21st century. But it will require strong action from Congress, and the support of the business community, to have any chance of passage.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/2...te-change.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/
 

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Any tax must be set high enough to induce change in our energy mix, but not so high that energy prices skyrocket. To protect growth, any legislation must ensure that low-income consumers and small businesses are protected, that larger businesses aren’t disadvantaged against foreign competitors in countries without carbon taxes, and that people in fossil-fuel-dependent communities get the support they need to transition into new industries.

Done right, carbon pricing can be a boon not just for fighting climate change but for moving our economy into the 21st century. But it will require strong action from Congress, and the support of the business community, to have any chance of passage.


Carbon Pricing and Climate Change - NYTimes.com
BC failed there too. Since people just crossed the border to buy gas.
 

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...BC’s aviation fuel usage, which is not subject to the carbon tax, "did not diverge from the Canadian pattern, supporting the argument that the carbon tax really did have an effect. And BC’s disconnect from the rest of the country was evident for all taxed fuels, not just gasoline; so the argument that BC’s divergence is caused by increased cross-border shopping for gasoline is not supported." And further that, statistical analysis can factor out things like weather, background economic conditions, and other policies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_carbon_tax
 

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...BC’s aviation fuel usage, which is not subject to the carbon tax, "did not diverge from the Canadian pattern, supporting the argument that the carbon tax really did have an effect. And BC’s disconnect from the rest of the country was evident for all taxed fuels, not just gasoline; so the argument that BC’s divergence is caused by increased cross-border shopping for gasoline is not supported." And further that, statistical analysis can factor out things like weather, background economic conditions, and other policies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_carbon_tax
Proven to be false already. I can understand why you'd employ deceit to save face. What with your fragile ego and all.

Your opinion holds no weight, you're a proven liar.
 
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mentalfloss

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Your response to the evidence that disproved your claim is that it's false.

Noted.