Preparations to Attack Iran???

Ocean Breeze

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Iran is always making noise. My point is, the chances of the US, China & Russia destroying each other over Iran is highly unlikely.

Would like to think so too......but it seems that right now....things are volatile in many places and there is no evidence of this changing. If anything.....the intent for more military interventions seems apparent. Between the stresses of the economics , and the loose cannon attributes of the warmongers.....it is hard to know what direction things will go. Warring interventions have become the "norm" .....and that is very concerning.

Are you 100% sure it is US and Israel behind wanting to open the Silk Road again or are they just the bullies willing to take the heat in return for favours?

OK.......lets go with that. Who is asking the "favors"???
 

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Iran is always making noise. My point is, the chances of the US, China & Russia destroying each other over Iran is highly unlikely.
It isn't Iran investing untold millions to destabilize US or Israeli governments. The US and Israel have and are doing just that.
PressTV - US confesses to covert ops against Iran

Speaking at the Republican presidential debate in Spartanburg, South Carolina, on Saturday former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich openly advocated increased covert terrorism against Iran.

He suggested employing “maximum covert operations to block and disrupt the Iranian program including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable.”

Gingrich advocated “actively funding every dissident group in Iran.”
 

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He suggested employing “maximum covert operations to block and disrupt the Iranian program including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable.”

Gingrich advocated “actively funding every dissident group in Iran.”

Israel is already doing a good job at that. I see no reason for the US to follow.
 

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Would like to think so too......but it seems that right now....things are volatile in many places and there is no evidence of this changing. If anything.....the intent for more military interventions seems apparent. Between the stresses of the economics , and the loose cannon attributes of the warmongers.....it is hard to know what direction things will go. Warring interventions have become the "norm" .....and that is very concerning.



OK.......lets go with that. Who is asking the "favors"???
Who is a major cash laden ally of US and Israel that would love to pipe it's product across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and into China?
 

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Not necessary, a strict embargo of goods would be enough to bring down the Iranian government. Last I heard any action would involve Great Briton, Israel and reluctantly France. Russia and China will just watch. (my prediction)
 

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Iran is always making noise. My point is, the chances of the US, China & Russia destroying each other over Iran is highly unlikely.

I was referring to the noise coming from the empire (Hilary being one )and Israel. To listen to them , they are gnashing their teeth in anticipation of a military action against Iran.

the point might be: where the heck does this stop??? Or does it?? Are we to adapt to living in a perpetual war state...that leads to world uncertainty , which combined with the economic disasters......is a potentially explosive situation .
 

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I was referring to the noise coming from the empire (Hilary being one )and Israel. To listen to them , they are gnashing their teeth in anticipation of a military action against Iran.

the point might be: where the heck does this stop??? Or does it?? Are we to adapt to living in a perpetual war state...that leads to world uncertainty , which combined with the economic disasters......is a potentially explosive situation .

Wars have never stopped, personally, I could care less what happens over there.
 

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Israel is already doing a good job at that. I see no reason for the US to follow.
The US has been at it since 1979, where does the 'follow' part fit in?

Are we to adapt to living in a perpetual war state...that leads to world uncertainty , which combined with the economic disasters......is a potentially explosive situation .
Any pause in the action/rhetoric and many people are going to start asking questions about the financial train-wreck that is going on.
 

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The US has been at it since 1979, where does the 'follow' part fit in?


Any pause in the action/rhetoric and many people are going to start asking questions about the financial train-wreck that is going on.

I'm speaking of recent, reported actions. STUXNET Virus and assassination of Nuclear Scientists, widely reported to be the work of the Israelis.
 

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I'm speaking of recent, reported actions.
Something like this? Perhaps 'Duqu' is what is plaguing the F-35's.
Virus hits Iran’s defence network | BobTuskin.com
Israel hails Iranian munitions explosion, hopes for more | The Raw Story


What are the possibilities that a high altitude explosion of 'high explosives' (not nuclear or neutron) could affect incoming aircraft/missiles just enough to either show their position or disrupt communication (GPS guidance, external or internal) si an attack would fall flat of it's objectives?
End Times Watch 7 - Iran?s High-Altitude Test Was Consistent With EMP Attack
 

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Any pause in the action/rhetoric and many people are going to start asking questions about the financial train-wreck that is going on.

Indeed......and that might create even more potential for aggression and turmoil. (not to forget your garden variety fears about financial security for the future.)

When one steps back and really examines the dynamics of all this.......It is astounding just how much we the people are played. and how little control we really have. No, not a new insight.......just one that surfaces now and then with a new clarity.

Israel hails Iranian munitions explosion, hopes for more

How low does Israel have to go , before its blind supporters realize that all is not as it is propagandized.??

Wars have never stopped, personally, I could care less what happens over there.

I would love to feel the same way. But given how networked the world is now...and with the empire making sure it has military bases in as many places as they can manipulate , along with their drones stash on the increase , and the massive stockpiles of WMD of various types.......it concerns all of us.

but you are right: wars have never really stopped. There is a greater vested interest in maintaining a war status than working for peace. The humanoid , being so easily bored with peace cannot tolerate it for too long. The humanoid , as a rule does not learn from his history. He talks a good talk......but that is as far as it goes. If he spent as much time working towards and maintaining peace as he does planning and executing mass murder via wars , for the various basic human reasons that war offers....this planet might stand a chance.

It is as if the thrill and excitement of war is nec for the humanoid. Folks criticize other cultures who die for their causes & country , yet the west does the same thing but puts a different spin on it. turning these folks into heros.
 

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No, not a new insight.......just one that surfaces now and then with a new clarity.
I would hate to call myself even as being 'well informed' on Israel's military ability but if Gaza's Cast Lead and Lebanon's month long air war is any indication then Israel isn't capable of a blitzkrieg type of attack against a military force that cannot be taken out in the first round of attacks. The pre-emptive attack in the 6-day war demanded that she not allow any surrender of troops (same as the highway of death in gulf War I) but a long distance war with Iran wouldn't be operating on a playing field like that. Just having Syria turn on their S-300 systems would put Israel aircraft at risk even if only targeted once they were outside of Israel air-space. What would Syria have to lose since they are targeted as the next Libya type of intervention. (protect civilians by killing them all). Lebanon or Egypt would be bystanders as neither one has any great strength to add or subtract in the area as far as military strength goes (Egypt because being denied re-arming supplies by the US would mean she would be out of ammo quite quickly and having the US supply Israel with 'insider targeting info' would mean many weapons would be never even used.

China and Russia could sit back as the NATO/Israel alliance could not withstand a long protracted war before they financially imploded. (and covertly making sure Iran and any friends that may decide to openly help her would be well supplied with the most modern arms needed to defeat what will be used against them) Bankers don't care who wins, since WWI all debts brought about via war (and probably any other reason) are still to be paid by the winners and losers. Just my $0.03 worth lol, cheques in the mail.

The humanoid , being so easily bored with peace cannot tolerate it for too long.
That is a concept that is basically wrong as it has never actually been tried in earnest. By earnest I mean the same amount of money that is made available for war and the reconstruction for the repairs after the war to civilian projects (of massive scale) so the civilians were all at least middle class (in terms of real wealth) then there would be all sorts of things for people to spend their 'time-off' doing. For one thing theft would be eliminated if the ones stealing things today could just go out and purchase the items. That by itself would eliminate much of the 'energy and resources' that is devoted to the criminal justice system today
 

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That is a concept that is basically wrong as it has never actually been tried in earnest.

there in lies the rub. There has to be a reason that peace has not been tried in earnest with the aim of maintaining it ...

I do think that the humanoid is hard wired for aggression. A few people have made genuine efforts at peace and peaceful resolutions to issues but all too soon they were dismissed as "weak" Some of these people have admirable footnotes in their biography But even tho it is admirable.......it does not seem to warrant as much attention as aggression. (or money).

The human psych percieves aggression as strength as it has been conditioned this way from an early era.

Maintaining and achieving peace means setting aside ones prejudices and biases. and negotiating with constructive and diplomatic tactics.

It also means that manipulation of others would have to stop. But that is what politics is. Setting pride aside completely would be necessary.......and cooperation would have to take on a new and constructive meaning.

The amount of money spent by the empire warring on others is totally obscene. Meanwhile the status of life in the US has deteriorated significantly.

an aside: if they would spend a portion of this money on improving their schools, educating better teachers so the young get a first class education....... things would make sense.

The best school systems and the highest quality of teachers exist in the Europe - Norway , with Finland , Sweden coming up close . The US is way down the list now. Educating their young (Europe) is an imperative priority as this youth is the future ..As a result the students have a very positive attitude to learning.
 
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there in lies the rub. There has to be a reason that peace has not been tried in earnest with the aim of maintaining it ...
Since there has always been an 'elite' and a 'common man' it would seem to be more a desire from the elite side than lack of peace being a demand coming from the common side.

I do think that the humanoid is hard wired for aggression. A few people have made genuine efforts at peace and peaceful resolutions to issues but all too soon they were dismissed as "weak" Some of these people have admirable footnotes in their biography But even tho it is admirable.......it does not seem to warrant as much attention as aggression. (or money).
The 'orders' come just from the elite side, they have never asked the common people 'What do you want to do today?' This is especial;ly true as far as conflicts go since the elites always start the conflicts but never actually fight on the front lines by being the first to enter the real blood and guts battles. They fight wars fro a comfortable room filled with much food and strong drink.

The human psych percieves aggression as strength as it has been conditioned this way from an early era.
That isn't how a person about to lose his life in a battle sees it, that is more from a person speaking to a reporter, neither of which is ever in danger of the battle coming to the rooms they visit in the course of their time 'in the war'.

Maintaining and achieving peace means setting aside ones prejudices and biases. and negotiating with constructive and diplomatic tactics.

It also means that manipulation of others would have to stop. But that is what politics is. Setting pride aside completely would be necessary.......and cooperation would have to take on a new and constructive meaning.
Having a well educated population means they all know the 'facts' rather than knowing the propaganda.

The amount of money spent by the empire warring on others is totally obscene. Meanwhile the status of life in the US has deteriorated significantly.
Really, it started out with slaves being the only way to 'turn a profit' for the 'owners'. Company towns ran the same way as the plantations in the deep south. Both gave room and board as the full compensation for work being done. There was no such thing as 'saving income' for either group. What you see is a return to a system that was in place for much longer than it was not the rule of the day.

an aside: if they would spend a portion of this money on improving their schools, educating better teachers so the young get a first class education....... things would make sense.
Are you sure, perhaps that is part of the problem, give a child a chance to be a child, nor necessairly restricted to being close to home all the time, say from 6 to 12 give very child a tour the world free passport and send the grandparents along as an escort. Not just one child but every child in every nation. Children of that age have no prejudices unless they experience something first-hand and they are more interested in having fun than they are in having full control. Once they turn 12 then put them is school, in 3 years they will have absorbed everything the books have to offer than now takes up grades 1 to 10 and they still have a full experience of how the world really works from their various travels.

The best school systems and the highest quality of teachers exist in the Europe - Norway , with Finland , Sweden coming up close . The US is way down the list now. Educating their young (Europe) is an imperative priority as this youth is the future ..As a result the students have a very positive attitude to learning.
Leaning just what 'the system' wants to teach them, that might mean they turn out top be obedient robots rather than truly being able to stand up for what is 'right and just' for everybody involved.

There is already enough money in the world to have the above be implemented today. With all the money printed over the last few centuries all that is needed is to release the $ 97 out of every $100 created and leave the Bankers with the 3% as the interest they desire and have that as their capital to fully run their business while leaving the rest to be in permanent circulation for untold generations.

Never see it happen because even with $700T in their care they still clamber for each penny that is still in circulation and as such it is beyond their grasp.
 

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Leaning just what 'the system' wants to teach them, that might mean they turn out top be obedient robots rather than truly being able to stand up for what is 'right and just' for everybody involved.

Depends on how the curriculum is set up. The schools I referred to use inovative and creative teaching/ learning methods where the student is an active participant in the process. (not just a passive recipient of information decided on by the powers that be)

you have a valid point about a population being too well educated. That could pose a threat to the traditional government styles.
 

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Sweden was not all that neutral in WWII nor do their current banking practices help eliminate corruption in the financial sector. How many well educated Swedes would agree with that?
 

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I was referring to the noise coming from the empire (Hilary being one )and Israel. To listen to them , they are gnashing their teeth in anticipation of a military action against Iran.

the point might be: where the heck does this stop??? Or does it?? Are we to adapt to living in a perpetual war state...that leads to world uncertainty , which combined with the economic disasters......is a potentially explosive situation .

Hillary Clinton has always been scary, she was always the darling of the Left. Now their not so sure.