PQ referendum promise prompts renewed calls to partition Quebec

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PQ referendum promise prompts renewed calls to partition Quebec
The Canadian Party of Quebec is studying the feasibility of creating an eleventh province out of a partitioned Quebec

Author of the article:Montreal Gazette
Published Apr 15, 2024 • Last updated 17 hours ago • 3 minute read

The Canadian Party of Quebec announced Monday it’s studying the feasibility of creating an 11th province out of a partitioned Quebec, and a former member of the party has launched a separate group that plans to hold an online public meeting on the issue of partition this week.


The revival of the partition debate, which has its origins in the late 1970s as a countervailing force to Quebec separation, comes as the Parti Québécois pledged this weekend to hold a referendum on independence by 2030. Both groups reviving the partition issue cite negative impact from legislation passed by Premier François Legault’s government on the rights of minorities.


“People are just (so) fed up with everything that Legault is doing that they really want to consider partitioning from Quebec,” said Marc Perez, a West Island businessperson who ran for the Canadian Party of Quebec in D’Arcy-McGee riding in the 2022 general election.

“And the reason they want to do that is that they’re tired of being considered a second-class citizen.”


Perez, who says he was kicked out of the Canadian Party last year after challenging the leadership of Colin Standish, said he launched Let’s Talk About Quebec/Parlons du Québec in January as a Montreal-based think tank.

Perez said the goal of the think tank is to consult the public and come up with proposals that would force politicians to heed the public’s will.

On Thursday evening, the group is planning an online meeting to hear the public’s thoughts on the idea of partitioning Quebec, Perez said.

Meanwhile, the Canadian Party of Quebec has established a “preparatory committee for the creation of an 11th province” to look into the feasibility of partitioning Quebec, party member Keith Henderson said in an interview.


“It’s a reaction to the constant call for breaking up Canada,” Henderson said. “We’re getting tired of it.”

Standish told the Gazette that Perez was removed from the party executive committee and then had his membership revoked “for a multitude of behaviours and actions that undermined party cohesion and functions.”

“It wasn’t for his challenges to my leadership,” he said.

Henderson said there’s no problem in having two groups raise awareness and interest in partition.


Partition was considered radical and fringe when William Shaw, a Union Nationale leadership candidate, came up with the proposal and coined the term in 1976, he said. But it gained traction as an answer to the threat of a third referendum on Quebec independence in the 1990s, he added.


The name of the Canadian Party of Quebec’s committee hearkens back to the “Preparatory Committee for an 11th Province” formed in Montreal in 1976. The group held that the threat of a partition of areas of Quebec that would remain within Canada in the event of Quebec independence would weaken support for separation.

“It’s a party committee and it’s to study the idea, to see what might be feasible, what might be possible,” Henderson said. “We haven’t reached a conclusion about anything.”

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in the 1990s that in the event that a clear majority of Quebecers voting on a clear question favour the province’s secession from Canada, the country would have to negotiate in good faith the separation of Quebec from the rest of the country.


“So Canada became legally divisible under those conditions,” Henderson said.

“And what we’re asking ourselves — and I stress ‘asking ourselves’ — is whether the reverse is true. If there’s a sufficient number of people in Quebec who don’t wish to be governed by the Quebec provincial government anymore, are they (the provincial government) required also to negotiate (partition) in good faith? If Canada is divisible along those lines, is Quebec divisible along the same lines?”

Partition would be for those in Quebec who are more “Canadian-minded,” who want bilingualism and multiculturalism and who would want to form a new province, he said.

The party plans a meeting next week to look at existing examples of regional secession, Henderson said, including the case of the Jura region in Switzerland, where some districts with a French-speaking minority chose to secede from the German-speaking majority canton of Bern to form the canton of Jura in 1979.
 

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Parti Quebecois is on the rise again in Quebec, leading in most polls by 12 to 15 points.

This is mostly due to the unpopularity of the current Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) government under Premier Francois Legault, plus the voting public’s general distaste for incumbents, rather than any strong desire among Quebecers for their province’s independence from Canada.

The next provincial election is more than a year and a half away. Yet the fact that PQ Leader Paul St.-Pierre Plamondon has promised another sovereignty referendum, in the first term of any PQ government, has set the Canadian establishment atwitter.

The attitude in genteel salons in Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal is that the rest of Canada must ready itself. We must be prepared to do all we can to show Quebecers how much we love and appreciate them and how much we desire them to stay.

Do we though? Do we really have to do this consistently, constantly, repeatedly, every couple of decades?

Remember the mass rally in Montreal just a few days before the 1995 referendum? We will need another one of those. Tens of thousands of Canadians travelled to Quebec (with the help of deeply discounted flights from Air Canada or cheap intercity bus tickets) and marched through the centre of town chanting their passion for Quebec and unfurling banners proclaiming their devotion.
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If a separatist referendum is held, Canadians outside Quebec must demonstrate their commitment to making the nation work for Quebec?

If another vote is held in Quebec on whether to stay or go, not only will I not rally (just as I didn’t rally 30 years ago), but I will go down to the Confederation Dock and wave goodbye with my hanky as Quebec sails away.

If Quebec is not satisfied with dominating national policy for the last 60 years, since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s father was prime minister.

If it’s not content with raking in nearly half of the $26.2 billion in annual equalization payments Ottawa extracts from “have” provinces to give to “have nots.”

If it can’t be happy with having one of its native sons in the prime minister’s job more than half the time (despite having less than a quarter of Canada’s population).

And if it’s not enough to keep demanding oil and gas money from the West to pay for its lavish social programs, while at the same time blocking pipelines and supporting the eco-fanatic efforts of the Trudeau Liberals to shut down the energy sector. Then no deal will satisfy Quebec.
My preference would be for Quebec to stay. Breaking up is always difficult. Who gets the wedding china? Who takes over the mortgage?

But I will not grovel, plead or open the federal treasury to convince Quebec to stay. I won’t even lift a finger. If Quebecers won’t play well with the other provinces, it would be better for everyone if they just left.

This would be a divorce settlement, not a hostage negotiation.

It’s better just to let it go, or at least to lay this all on the line before any future referendum so Quebec voters have a clearer idea of what independence would truly cost them.

One of the big flaws in the 1995 referendum was the question asked. Rather than being a simple “Separation: Oui or Non,” it implied Quebec could become sovereign while also counting on the same billions of federal subsidies to continue flowing from Canada.

Sorry folks, you’d have to take your share of the national debt and plan for your annual payments from the rest of Canada to fall to a trickle.
 

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All of Canada must be able to vote in the next Quebec referendum. Along with this, each area of Quebec must be counted on it's own. The high population areas must not get to decide the future of rural areas.
 

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Parti Quebecois is on the rise again in Quebec, leading in most polls by 12 to 15 points.

This is mostly due to the unpopularity of the current Coalition Avenir Quebec (CAQ) government under Premier Francois Legault, plus the voting public’s general distaste for incumbents, rather than any strong desire among Quebecers for their province’s independence from Canada.

The next provincial election is more than a year and a half away. Yet the fact that PQ Leader Paul St.-Pierre Plamondon has promised another sovereignty referendum, in the first term of any PQ government, has set the Canadian establishment atwitter.

The attitude in genteel salons in Ottawa, Toronto and Montreal is that the rest of Canada must ready itself. We must be prepared to do all we can to show Quebecers how much we love and appreciate them and how much we desire them to stay.

Do we though? Do we really have to do this consistently, constantly, repeatedly, every couple of decades?

Remember the mass rally in Montreal just a few days before the 1995 referendum? We will need another one of those. Tens of thousands of Canadians travelled to Quebec (with the help of deeply discounted flights from Air Canada or cheap intercity bus tickets) and marched through the centre of town chanting their passion for Quebec and unfurling banners proclaiming their devotion.
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If a separatist referendum is held, Canadians outside Quebec must demonstrate their commitment to making the nation work for Quebec?

If another vote is held in Quebec on whether to stay or go, not only will I not rally (just as I didn’t rally 30 years ago), but I will go down to the Confederation Dock and wave goodbye with my hanky as Quebec sails away.

If Quebec is not satisfied with dominating national policy for the last 60 years, since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s father was prime minister.

If it’s not content with raking in nearly half of the $26.2 billion in annual equalization payments Ottawa extracts from “have” provinces to give to “have nots.”

If it can’t be happy with having one of its native sons in the prime minister’s job more than half the time (despite having less than a quarter of Canada’s population).

And if it’s not enough to keep demanding oil and gas money from the West to pay for its lavish social programs, while at the same time blocking pipelines and supporting the eco-fanatic efforts of the Trudeau Liberals to shut down the energy sector. Then no deal will satisfy Quebec.
My preference would be for Quebec to stay. Breaking up is always difficult. Who gets the wedding china? Who takes over the mortgage?

But I will not grovel, plead or open the federal treasury to convince Quebec to stay. I won’t even lift a finger. If Quebecers won’t play well with the other provinces, it would be better for everyone if they just left.

This would be a divorce settlement, not a hostage negotiation.

It’s better just to let it go, or at least to lay this all on the line before any future referendum so Quebec voters have a clearer idea of what independence would truly cost them.

One of the big flaws in the 1995 referendum was the question asked. Rather than being a simple “Separation: Oui or Non,” it implied Quebec could become sovereign while also counting on the same billions of federal subsidies to continue flowing from Canada.

Sorry folks, you’d have to take your share of the national debt and plan for your annual payments from the rest of Canada to fall to a trickle.
Actually, I think Quebec should go if they feel so strongly about it. Currently, our government gives way more to Quebec than they're actually entitled to receive at the expense of the rest of Canada. Negotiations must be done by experienced negotiators who have the interests of Canadians at heart & not giving Quebec everything they demand. If they vote for separation, then they're on their own - no more transfers from Alberta, that's for sure. Since everything seems to go their way, I honestly don't see them leaving any time soon; maybe once they drain the ROC dry, they'll consider it then. Cynical or what?
 

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Cynical or what?
Maybe just tired of the “boy who cried wolf” story we’ve been subjected to for what feels like forever?

The ‘rest of Canada’ has more than done its part to rent Quebec’s allegiance, & though I’ve not (though, I haven’t been listening for it) heard separatist grumbling…from Quebec…lately, if it does rear it’s ugly head again, it might be their turn to justify why they should remain as a part of Canada?
 

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One of the many benefits of Quebec leaving would be no more bilingualism. We could do away with French immersion schools, saving taxpayers a bundle in school taxes.
 
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One of the many benefits of Quebec leaving would be no more bilingualism. We could do away with French immersion schools, saving taxpayers a bundle in school taxes.

Obviously you don't live in NB.

Bilingualism won't go away, ESPECIALLY here. Despite French now being even less spoken than before, thanks to immigration into NB.
 

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Obviously you don't live in NB.

Bilingualism won't go away, ESPECIALLY here. Despite French now being even less spoken than before, thanks to immigration into NB.
If it went to referendum, would there be enough in favour of official bilingualism to keep it?
 

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If it went to referendum, would there be enough in favour of official bilingualism to keep it?

Rest of Canada likely would remain non-needed Bilingualism, but unfortunately Bilingualism is ingrained in NB right now. French is a 'must' to get a lot of jobs, and if you have french, it gives you a leg up on those jobs where it's not 'necessary'.
 

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Rest of Canada likely would remain non-needed Bilingualism, but unfortunately Bilingualism is ingrained in NB right now. French is a 'must' to get a lot of jobs, and if you have french, it gives you a leg up on those jobs where it's not 'necessary'.
So I could do just fine with Punjabi and French?
 

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The ‘rest of Canada’ has more than done its part to rent Quebec’s allegiance, & though I’ve not (though, I haven’t been listening for it) heard separatist grumbling…from Quebec…lately, if it does rear it’s ugly head again, it might be their turn to justify why they should remain as a part of Canada?
….&….here we are leading it to the weekend. “We are, whether we like it or not, part of an artificial country with very little meaning, called Canada,” Blanchet said in English during a campaign stop in Shawinigan, Que.

He made the comment in response to a question about previous remarks he made referring to the House of Commons as a “foreign parliament” that he sits in.

“It’s a foreign parliament because this nation is not mine,” Blanchet explained. “I don’t feel more at ease in the Canadian Parliament than (Alberta Premier Danielle) Smith would feel at ease in the National Assembly of Quebec.”

However he said that his party is nonetheless seeking the balance of power in Parliament because as long as Quebec officially remains a part of Canada, “we are entitled to any right and privilege and opportunity being provided by the persons who vote, and I will relinquish none of them.”

Blanchet made the comments with just days left before Canadians head to the polls in an election in which U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats against Canadian sovereignty have galvanized voters across the country…& the Bloc has slid down in the polls.

With the latest polls showing the governing Liberals and their rival Conservatives just a few points apart and the rest of the parties far behind them, Blanchet and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh have been fighting a heated battle for third place.

If either the Liberals or the Conservatives were to win a minority, the third-place party could wield significant influence if they have enough MPs to prop up the government.

Both the Bloc and the NDP have seen their support collapse in the polls as voters indicate a preference for a government with a strong mandate.

On Friday, Singh blasted the Bloc as being a “useless party.”

Blanchet responded to the comment in his campaign stop.

“I will let you deal with the uselessness of my party, and if I were Mr. Singh, I would do anything not to be compared with the Bloc Quebecois at present time. So he may say whatever he wants. I don’t really care.”
 

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It is looking like time for BC to separate from the lower mainland area too. Hopefully, Vancouver Island North of the Malahat could remain part of BC, with Victoria area and Lower mainland being their own poverty stricken getto.