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Pope’s Message a Dismal Failure in USA.
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Sorry, I could not lie! As a youth, I never frequented God's Army Surplice Store.
....And please don't be too graphic! That's not the mental picture
I want to start my Sunday morning with. 8O :lol::lol::lol:
Yukon, no worries! No one is accusing you! He is just joking around with you guys. ;-)
Just joking around. Lightening the mode. Soul-mate? 8O :lol::lol::lol:
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The stats you provided are for non-practicing Catholics as measured by Gallop.
Sorry RanchHand, that argument won’t wash. First, how do you know who is a committed Catholic? Somebody who attends Church regularly? Suppose he also is a wife beater, is he still a committed Catholic?
Or a Priest who is involved in child sexual abuse. Is he a committed Catholic? So it is not really for anybody to say who is committed Catholic and who isn’t. Now, it is true that those who attend church regularly tend to be more conservative. However, even here Pope has nothing to cheer about.
However, even among committed Catholics, a slim majority seem to be at odds with the church's positions on premarital sex, embryonic stem-cell research, divorce, and the death penalty.
This is what the news article says. So Church’s teachings do not fair well even among the so called ‘committed’ Catholics, although obviously they fair better than among Catholics as a whole.
So committed or not is a phony argument. As far as I am concerned, anybody who claims to be a Catholic is one.
Sorry RanchHand, that argument won’t wash. First, how do you know who is a committed Catholic? Somebody who attends Church regularly? Suppose he also is a wife beater, is he still a committed Catholic?
Or a Priest who is involved in child sexual abuse. Is he a committed Catholic? So it is not really for anybody to say who is committed Catholic and who isn’t. Now, it is true that those who attend church regularly tend to be more conservative. However, even here Pope has nothing to cheer about.
However, even among committed Catholics, a slim majority seem to be at odds with the church's positions on premarital sex, embryonic stem-cell research, divorce, and the death penalty.
This is what the news article says. So Church’s teachings do not fair well even among the so called ‘committed’ Catholics, although obviously they fair better than among Catholics as a whole.
So committed or not is a phony argument. As far as I am concerned, anybody who claims to be a Catholic is one.
SirJosephPorter, once again you are proving that you are an unequalled master of totally despicable generalization.
You equate a regular Catholic Church goer to a wife beater.
You declare that a Catholic priest is a child abuser.
According to you neither a church goer nor a priest can be a committed Catholic. Furthermore, according to you, neither should have the support of the Pope.
According to you Catholics favour all the atrocities you and your ilk favour, described in your post #27.
According to you being a Catholic is being a phoney.
If I had the ability to sink to your low level, I would say that the same applies to atheists.
You equate a regular Catholic Church goer to a wife beater.
You declare that a Catholic priest is a child abuser.
According to you neither a church goer nor a priest can be a committed Catholic. Furthermore, according to you, neither should have the support of the Pope.
According to you Catholics favour all the atrocities you and your ilk favour, described in your post #27.
According to you being a Catholic is being a phoney.
If I had the ability to sink to your low level, I would say that the same applies to atheists.
Now wait a minute. You cite results for non-practicing Catholics and that's valid and the numbers further your agenda but in the SAME poll results from practicing Catholics are not valid ("will not wash") and those numbers do not further your agenda.
You ask Gallop what 'Committed Catholic' means and get back to us because this is the poll you used to further your agendas. I didn't start this thread by presenting those statistics, you did.
"However, even among committed Catholics, a slim majority seem to be at odds with the church's positions on premarital sex, embryonic stem-cell research, divorce, and the death penalty."
Hardly "Pope’s Message a Dismal Failure in USA." is it? Approve abortion 24%. Approve homosexual relations 44%. Not to mention that in another thread, on Gay marriage, you wouldn't accept a slim majority as meaningful.
"So committed or not is a phony argument. As far as I am concerned, anybody who claims to be a Catholic is one"
Again, go complain to Gallop. You're the one who presented us with the poll. Don't complain to us about it. If you don't accept the validity of the groups being sampled, why are you citing the poll?????
Hardly "Pope’s Message a Dismal Failure in USA." is it?
Sure it is, RanchHand. Let me repeat again what the Gallop poll says:
"However, even among committed Catholics, a slim majority seem to be at odds with the church's positions on premarital sex, embryonic stem-cell research, divorce, and the death penalty."
If even among devoted, conservative Catholics, a slim majority disagrees with the Pope, then his message is a dismal failure in USA.
That would be like liberals supporting segregation in the Southern USA by a slim margin. That would be a failure of the liberal message, wouldn’t it? This is no different.
Hardly "Pope’s Message a Dismal Failure in USA." is it? Approve abortion 24%. Approve homosexual relations 44%.
Absolute numbers are not really relevant, RanchHand. The fact is, even most devout, conservative Catholics disagree with the Pope by a small margin, according to the article.
Not to mention that in another thread, on Gay marriage, you wouldn't accept a slim majority as meaningful.
A slim majority is not good enough to ban gay marriage, as they did in California (I will have more to say about this later, I am posting a thread tomorrow, stay tuned). However, it is highly significant, when devout followers of a leader (Pope) disagree with him on important issues.
If you don't accept the validity of the groups being sampled, why are you citing the poll?????
Whoa, RanchHand, there is no need to shout. I do accept the validity of the poll; I am not the one questioning the poll. I think the poll is accurate and very significant. It shows that Catholics in general are not in agreement with the pope. And what is astounding, even devout, conservative Catholics disagree with pope (by a small margin) on many important issues.
Sure it is, RanchHand. Let me repeat again what the Gallop poll says:
"However, even among committed Catholics, a slim majority seem to be at odds with the church's positions on premarital sex, embryonic stem-cell research, divorce, and the death penalty."
If even among devoted, conservative Catholics, a slim majority disagrees with the Pope, then his message is a dismal failure in USA.
That would be like liberals supporting segregation in the Southern USA by a slim margin. That would be a failure of the liberal message, wouldn’t it? This is no different.
Hardly "Pope’s Message a Dismal Failure in USA." is it? Approve abortion 24%. Approve homosexual relations 44%.
Absolute numbers are not really relevant, RanchHand. The fact is, even most devout, conservative Catholics disagree with the Pope by a small margin, according to the article.
Not to mention that in another thread, on Gay marriage, you wouldn't accept a slim majority as meaningful.
A slim majority is not good enough to ban gay marriage, as they did in California (I will have more to say about this later, I am posting a thread tomorrow, stay tuned). However, it is highly significant, when devout followers of a leader (Pope) disagree with him on important issues.
If you don't accept the validity of the groups being sampled, why are you citing the poll?????
Whoa, RanchHand, there is no need to shout. I do accept the validity of the poll; I am not the one questioning the poll. I think the poll is accurate and very significant. It shows that Catholics in general are not in agreement with the pope. And what is astounding, even devout, conservative Catholics disagree with pope (by a small margin) on many important issues.
Yukon Jack, I would like to thank you for reviving one of my moribund threads.
You equate a regular Catholic Church goer to a wife beater.
You declare that a Catholic priest is a child abuser.
I do nothing of the sort. I merely asked the question if a regular Catholic, who also happens to be the wife beater (or a Priest who happens to be a pedophile) is considered a committed Catholic. By no means did I imply that all regular Catholic Church goers are wife beaters, or that all Priests are pedophiles.
According to you Catholics favour all the atrocities you and your ilk favour,
It is not according to me, Yukon Jack, but according to Gallop Poll. ‘Atrocities’ such as abortion, gay marriage, opposition to death penalty etc. (which you consider atrocities) are supported by a substantial number of Catholics, in spite of the pope.
So it is not me saying that, but Gallop Poll.
According to you being a Catholic is being a phoney.
No doubt some are. (and it is ‘phony’, not ‘phoney’; phoney may have something to do with phones. Or did you mean ‘phoney’?)
You equate a regular Catholic Church goer to a wife beater.
You declare that a Catholic priest is a child abuser.
I do nothing of the sort. I merely asked the question if a regular Catholic, who also happens to be the wife beater (or a Priest who happens to be a pedophile) is considered a committed Catholic. By no means did I imply that all regular Catholic Church goers are wife beaters, or that all Priests are pedophiles.
According to you Catholics favour all the atrocities you and your ilk favour,
It is not according to me, Yukon Jack, but according to Gallop Poll. ‘Atrocities’ such as abortion, gay marriage, opposition to death penalty etc. (which you consider atrocities) are supported by a substantial number of Catholics, in spite of the pope.
So it is not me saying that, but Gallop Poll.
According to you being a Catholic is being a phoney.
No doubt some are. (and it is ‘phony’, not ‘phoney’; phoney may have something to do with phones. Or did you mean ‘phoney’?)
These aren't atrocities. They are basic human rights. You've taken a strong leap to the right SJP.
and you took the quote out of context. The quote was Yukon Jack's and he is extreme right.