Pope tells Anglicans, "Come on Down!"

[coldstream]

The announcement of the Ottawa parishes joing the RCC was co-incidental with that of the closing of 6 long established parishes on Vancouver Island because of declining enrollment.

The membership of the Anglican Church is plummeting throughout the West. That is, in fact, not happening with the Catholic Church whose fastest growing parishes are those who have ditched the post structural, morally relativistic, cosmic gobbledy gook of the 'Spirit of Vatican 2' and now have returned to the traditional Tridentine Latin Liturgy, and the moral rigour of Catholic Catechism.

The Anglican Church, along with it 'blessings' of homosexual unions, and feel good, pagan, sweat lodge mentality is expected to disappear in Canada by the middle of the century. There's simply no use in joining a Church, if their moral theology tells you your only obligation is to seek personal bliss and sensual gratification. You can find that in greater intensity in any number of Eastern meditations.

 

[Cliffy]

Yup! They are itching to bring back the Inquisition too! There will always people who want to go backwards.

 

[GreenFish66]

The announcement of the Ottawa parishes joing the RCC was co-incidental with that of the closing of 6 long established parishes on Vancouver Island because of declining enrollment.

The membership of the Anglican Church is plummeting throughout the West. That is in fact not happening with the Catholic Church whose fastest growing parishes are those who have ditched the post structural, morally relativistic, cosmic gobbledy gook of the 'Spirit of Vatican 2' and now have returned to the traditional Tridentine Latin Liturgy, and the moral rigour of Catholic Catechism.

The Anglican Church, along with it 'blessings' of homosexual unions, and feel good, pagan, sweat lodge mentality is expected to disappear in Canada by the middle of the century.

During the second coming , I would imagine ...( :roll

PANSPERMIA THEORY directed panspermia lithopanspermia ballistic panspermia Mars Earth - Panspermia Theory

- Come on ... Even Big G would get a kick out of that one ..

 

[Spade]

It is never good to have services in the local language as people may actually listen to what is said and assess the absurdity.

 

[coldstream]

It is never good to have services in the local language as people may actually listen to what is said and assess the absurdity.

The Tridentine Mass uses the Latin in the Eucharistic devotions and prayers. The homily is in English, or the local vernacular.

There is always a Missal that gives the translations to Latin in the pews which makes it easy to follow even for the novice, who will immediately note how much more coherent, reverent and intense the service, as compared to the Novus Ordo (the ordinary and predominate vernacular Mass since the 1970s).

One will notice a distinct difference in the subject of the homilies though in these parishes, which deal less with a soppy, sloppy, amorphous spiritualism, and more with obligation to God.

 

[Spade]

The Roman Empire is dead! Besides, I though Yeshuah the Jew spoke Aramaic!

 

[Spade]

And Coldstream, you are confusing the Latin Rite with Catholicism of which is is one of many equal parts!

 

[coldstream]

And Coldstream, you are confusing the Latin Rite with Catholicism of which is is one of many equal parts!

There are Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, who have their own liturgies, and allign themselves with the Bishop of Rome, but they are relatively small assemblages. For the large part of the world, the Latin Rite IS the Catholic Church.

 

[Spade]

There are Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches, who have their own liturgies, and allign themselves with the Bishop of Rome, but they are relatively small assemblages. For the large part of the world, the Latin Rite IS the Catholic Church.

You sound heretical to me. Watch for quenched candles!

 

[GreenFish66]

During the second coming , I would imagine ...( :roll

PANSPERMIA THEORY directed panspermia lithopanspermia ballistic panspermia Mars Earth - Panspermia Theory

- Come on ... Even Big G would get a kick out of that one ..

Ok sorry ..I confess ..Was a little rude and inappropriate ..Forgive me...I am only human ..Couldn't help myself ..:smile:

 

[Spade]

Ok sorry ..I confess ..Was a little rude and inappropriate ..Forgive me...I am only human ..Couldn't help myself ..:smile:

I'm sure the gods are merciful!

 

[coldstream]

PANSPERMIA THEORY directed panspermia lithopanspermia ballistic panspermia Mars Earth - Panspermia Theory

You're assuming that this is necessarily is irreconcilable with Catholic doctrine of the origins and destiny of life. It might or might not, depending on whether you accept God as its Creator, and Christ as His Son, co-substantial with Him and Holy Spirit.

I assume most people who subscribe to this believe the Messiah will appear in a UFO, however, coming out of the plume of comet and therefor would not accept the former. But the Catholic Church accepts the Bible as one of moral and structural truth, not a literal creation story.. so panspermia might be part of a divine plan with scriptural constraints.

 

[eh1eh]

Catholic, Anglican, they're all the same.

I can't see why the anglicans would want to join a church full of child molesters and perverts.

Funnily enough, a news conference has just been held live on Sky News from Dublin over a report into clerical child abuse in the Dublin diocese which has criticised the Catholic Church for covering it up.

The report investigated how Church and state authorities handled allegations of child abuse against 46 priests.

It found that the Church placed its own reputation above the protection of children in its care.

The Irish state authorities tried to cover-up the abuse by allowing the Church to operate outside the law.

The investigation covered a period from 1975 to 2004. It found that four archbishops - John Charles McQuaid who died in 1973, Dermot Ryan who died in 1984, Kevin McNamara who died in 1987, and retired Cardinal Desmond Connell - did not hand over information on abusers.

Hundreds of children made complaints against 46 priests. The number of boys who complained of being sexually abused was double that of girls.

Whoa! Having sex and gay. Geez, that's two Hail Marys before those 'faggot child molesters' get into 'heaven'.

 

[Cliffy]

What about Germany? Hasn't the Pope himself been implicated in the cover up of child abuse back when he was a Bishop? From what I have read, the Pope's infallibility is in question along with the church itself. How can people cling to faith in such a corrupt organization?

 

[Risus]

For the large part of the world, the Latin Rite IS the Catholic Church.

Are those the perverts?

 

[GreenFish66]

The bible is a good book ..Taught animals to be humans..Old book punished /new book blessed and set slaves free.Gave hope..J.C was a smart Human/Alien :shock::icon_smile:..So is Big G(more Alien than human I would guess)...But they have all evolved ,like us ,like their ideas ,Since then ..We are so much more now,Than we were then ..I beleive G speaks in Math and Science now ..( as well as all the ol' word/languages ) ..
He's God ...All knowing ..All seeing .All powerful..He can say , do whatever he likes...

You gonna tell'm he can't? ( is God a he? ... Or a Uni ?..Is it wrong to call Him ..iITt. As I sometimes do ..Since iITt artificially inseminated Mama mary/Mother earth)

Philosophy branched off into science a long time ago...It's a far more practical way to find meaning / absolute truth..Test with experiment/observation..get Hard proof /facts /results/solutions .....Some say ..J.C. was the first democratic politician .. by the people , for the people , with the people ..

Who knows?.. ...But what I do know .. There is something greater than ourselves ..We have tapped into a greater energy(ies) ..Ever Greater truths ( none ever greater than G )...And there is some pretty bizzare and strange realities/truths out there ...

But I like The idea of God( E.T./supreme being/entity ...Mama Earth/Gia/Mother or Sister Mary ( which ever is prefered)...J.C.. Son of Earth/Son of civilized (Hu)man.....Even Adam ..Son of red earth is cool ..

The Bible was/is a good book .Formed from other great books and writings..But times have changed .Continue to change ..Evolved....and we must too ..We must continue to move ..Forever forward ..Into the future..

P.E.U ... Person/Earth/Universe

Gotta have faith in the future...Big G does ..

Peace

 

[VanIsle]

And yet they have built a couple of big churches in Calgary in the last few years

The Centre Street Church there holds several services every Sunday and every service the church is full. It is a church filled with music. Their choir came to our church in Vernon. It was wonderful. Seems the music is one of their biggest draws and their choir is vast.

 

[coldstream]

What about Germany? Hasn't the Pope himself been implicated in the cover up of child abuse back when he was a Bishop? From what I have read, the Pope's infallibility is in question along with the church itself. How can people cling to faith in such a corrupt organization?

I've stated many several times that he Catholic doctrine does NOT state the Pope in infallible. In fact in prayers that are offered for the Pontiff it is not even assumed he is necessarily going to heaven. The Infallibility doctrine refers specifically to issues of Catholic dogma, that are deemed Truthful by the entire of Magisterium of the Church (the Bishops, Curia and Holy Father), and delivered Ex Cathedra - from the Chair - by the Pope.

It is very seldom invoked, and then almost exclusively to end internal debate on often abstruse matters of theology. The last time it was used, as far as i am aware, was by Pius XII, to promulgate the Doctrine of the Assumption of Mary, in the early 1950s.

The Pope as an individual, like all clerics, is very human and therefor subject to human frailties. However, the accusations that he covered up child abuse have been discredited by those who were charged by him to investigate and resolve issues of child abuse.. who have described him as firm and fair.

It has to be remembered that there have been malicious and false accusations of abuse, some with the intention of profit, so a juridical procedure has to applied to ensure justice for all involved.

That said it would be inaccurate to say that the Catholic Church and its laity is not outraged by the scandal. It is my position that a one strike rule should apply. Once it is confirmed that a cleric has abused children he should be immediately by laicized (defrocked).. and turned over to civil authorities for criminal prosecution

The psychological pathology of sexual predation on children is too deep seated to assume psychiatric counselling will cure what will be a life long predilection, which will appear again in times of stress or despondency.. and the powers of deception and persuasion in these individuals is too well honed to ever put them in a position of trust again.

 

[Bar Sinister]

What about Germany? Hasn't the Pope himself been implicated in the cover up of child abuse back when he was a Bishop? From what I have read, the Pope's infallibility is in question along with the church itself. How can people cling to faith in such a corrupt organization?

I always find it amusing when one "infallible" pope reverses the policy of a previous "infallible" pope.

 

[Libertarian]

The church needs to stay out of public life. I have no problem with them "reaching out" to those Anglicans, but I don't want them to rebuild a mega monopoly church, and start interfering with governments, more then usual.