Well said
I wish I could give you tons of Greens on that- All I can do is one. And the honest ones should consider doing the same.
Pope clears way for Kateri Tekakwitha’s canonization
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Well said
I wish I could give you tons of Greens on that- All I can do is one. And the honest ones should consider doing the same.
Thanks goober. I know i have a big mouth and annoy people but i acknowledge ill be wrong and i have my faults... My family has always taught me to be honest no matter how severe something is.... And from experience lying just gets you knee deep into ****
Ya right, because google is sooooooooooooooooooooooo fu ckin hard to use
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Johnnny said:
ask me if I care.
Dont be a hypocrite gerryh..... When you hold people to a high standard you should operate at that level also if you expect people to take your outbursts seriously... Mind you its just a message board but come on lighten up once in awhile....
I guess that small crack is turning into a big crack, just like on the windshield... :lol:
I guess that small crack is turning into a big crack, just like on the windshield... :lol:
C'mon Gerry! Toss me a bone already! Just because we disagree on SOME theology doesn't mean we can't share our faith on the stuff we probably agree on! It should be a joy to talk about this stuff, not "go check google".
For those who are religious it is a matter of respect and I think proclaiming a Saint
is a good thing, Someone who did a lot of good in a short time of life is being honored
is there something wrong with that?
If one is not religious is it not better to see someone being honored for the good they
did, Is it better to pay tribute to some wild west gunslinger or mob boss.
I will take the Saint every time although I have not gone to mass in years.
As for the activity withing the church remember a lot of that was done by people within
the church not the members at large. Should we condemn all football because of
Sandusky and Penn State?
I think over all a good news story is required every now and then
is a good thing, Someone who did a lot of good in a short time of life is being honored
is there something wrong with that?
If one is not religious is it not better to see someone being honored for the good they
did, Is it better to pay tribute to some wild west gunslinger or mob boss.
I will take the Saint every time although I have not gone to mass in years.
As for the activity withing the church remember a lot of that was done by people within
the church not the members at large. Should we condemn all football because of
Sandusky and Penn State?
I think over all a good news story is required every now and then
Catholicism feels the miracle is through her, yes, not from her. Even the article you posted states that it is felt to occur due to prayers offered through her.
A Saint is an intercessor with God, not a grantor of graces... all of which emanate from God. The role is that of advocate by an especially holy person of high distinction. In that sense even the phrase.. "through Saint Kateri" is inaccurate as they are directly granted to the petitioner by God. The acknowledgement of a saint is "Saint Kateri.. pray for us".
What do you mean? You are Catholic if you're Christian. All roads lead to Rome my friend.
Sorry, but I just can't buy that and I think some Catholics would agree with me. We're Christian first, our denomination is minor.
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Perhaps, but not to the Catholic Church, it claims to be the one true church via the apostolic succession, the grace and authority of its officials are transmitted by the laying on of hands in a direct line all the way back to the beginning with Jesus and his apostles. Eastern Orthodoxy makes the same claim, as does the Anglican Church, and some Lutheran Churches, with some legitimacy, as they were originally schismatic movements within the Catholic Church so their first officials would have been part of it. Most Protestant denominations deny both the legitimacy and the necessity of it, as of course they must, because they know they don't have it.
Denomination is not minor either, give any of those groups the kind of secular power the Christian church once had and you'll soon find that out. Ecumenicalism is possible only because the church in the West has been politically hobbled. Realistically, anyone who believes only the properly baptized and reborn brethren will make it through the Day of Judgment cannot possibly really respect people with dissenting views, he knows the fires of Hell await them. Islam and Judaism take the same view of their own activities, and assiduously point out the errors of other faiths. And it hardly needs to be said that all these rival belief systems are equally uncontaminated by evidence.
Denomination is not minor either, give any of those groups the kind of secular power the Christian church once had and you'll soon find that out. Ecumenicalism is possible only because the church in the West has been politically hobbled. Realistically, anyone who believes only the properly baptized and reborn brethren will make it through the Day of Judgment cannot possibly really respect people with dissenting views, he knows the fires of Hell await them. Islam and Judaism take the same view of their own activities, and assiduously point out the errors of other faiths. And it hardly needs to be said that all these rival belief systems are equally uncontaminated by evidence.
Well I'm here to tell you that any denomination that claims to be the "one true church" or that you must be a member of their church to be accepted by God, or saved, or to make it through Judgment Day, or whatever, is flat out wrong.
The biblical position is that you are only saved by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Period. If you are going to adhere to Christianity, you tell me what makes more sense, putting your faith in a group of people in a building, or the biblical position which is faith in Jesus Christ?
Yes it is. If salvation is obtained through faith in Christ alone, then you don't have to believe in hell, the parting of the Red Sea, or the garden of Eden to be saved obviously. With several different beliefs on hell for instance, i.e. is it forever, temporary, or not real, you get different denominations over issues that have nothing to do with the main message of Christianity. Denominations are so minor in fact, that when we're in heaven there won't be Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists etc., there will just be God's children. Again, obvious.
That makes no sense. Christians believe in free will and respect your decision to reject God, we're just obligated to warn you about the consequences and how to avoid them.
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We can certainly agree on that much at least, except that I'd take it one step farther and tell you they've ALL got EVERYTHING wrong.
That's one of the claims that caused me dismiss all of this stuff as mythology, it's absolutely senseless to me. It means, for instance, that the worst reprobate on the planet can have a deathbed conversion and ascend in a state of grace, while a good and decent person who may never have heard of any of this stuff is doomed.
Since I'm not going to adhere to Christianity the issue is moot, but in general I'd be far more likely to put my faith in a group of currently living people I can talk to than in claims written almost 2000 years ago by people who understood less about the world than any educated 10-year old does now.
Then we need an explanation of why those denominations exist at all, and why major wars have been fought between various faction of them, and why so many of them send out missionaries to convert the heathens to their particular denomination. Denominations may be minor in heaven's view, though it beats me how you can possibly know that, but they're certainly not minor here.
No, most of them in my experience do precisely the opposite.