I think a lot of people realise that the BC provinicial Liberals are much closer to Harper than they are to Martin, No 1. That would keep the provincial anti-Liberal vote to a minimum.
Polls
- Thread starter Reverend Blair
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From Here
Well two polls out today! What a surprise!
Strategic:
Libs-36%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-14%
Green-5%
and SES-CPAC
Libs-41%
Cons-26%
NDP-18%
Bloc-11%
Green-4%
I would be more inclined to believe the SES-CPAC poll as that is what the numbers have been polling of lately. I would say Strategic is a bit of a rogue poll.
Well two polls out today! What a surprise!
Strategic:
Libs-36%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-14%
Green-5%
and SES-CPAC
Libs-41%
Cons-26%
NDP-18%
Bloc-11%
Green-4%
I would be more inclined to believe the SES-CPAC poll as that is what the numbers have been polling of lately. I would say Strategic is a bit of a rogue poll.
Yet another day another two polls.
From Here
Strategic Dec 9, 2005
Libs- 36%
Cons-28%
Ndp-16%
Bloc-14%
Green-6%
SES-CPAC Dec 9, 2005
LIbs-39%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-11%
Green-4%
I wonder why Strategic is always so diferent than other polls?
Seat Projection From Here
Liberals- 130
Conservatives- 92
NDP- 24
Bloc-62
Green-0
Liberal Lead Continues; Harper and Layton Improve on Leadership Index
A teaser:
"For the past three days of CPAC-SES tracking the Liberals have enjoyed a comfortable lead. As of Thursday night the Liberals had 41% support followed by the Conservatives at 26%, the NDP at 18%, the BQ at 11% and the Green Party at 4%.
The percentage of Quebec voters who are undecided continues to climb. On our first day of CPAC-SES tracking 11% of Quebecers were undecided. This has now hit 28% in Quebec. For the next week, Quebec will be the province to watch." - Nik Nanos, President, SES Research
Today, CPAC and SES are releasing detailed regional breakdowns based on a respondent sample of 2,000 Canadians (5 days of field work) completed between December 4 and December 8, 2005.
LIB - SES 40%, Leger 39%
CP - SES 26%, Leger 27%
NDP - SES 18%, Leger 16%
BQ - SES 11%, Leger 12%
GP - SES 4%, Leger 5%
All values in parenthesis are changes from our November 13th national
survey.
In Quebec
BQ - 50% (-5)
LIB - 32% (+8 )
CP - 9% (+1)
NDP - 7% (-1)
GP - 1% (-3)
Outside Quebec
LIB - 44% (+7)
CP - 32% (-3)
NDP - 21% (-4)
GP - 5% (+1)
Best PM
Martin - 30% (+1)
Unsure -19% (+6)
Harper - 18% (-4)
None - 13% (+2)
Layton - 12% (-4)
Duceppe - 6% (-1)
Harris - 2% (-2)
[/end teaser] Click link above for the rest. Interesting numbers.
Quebec numbers are surprising, I would of thought Bloc would of been higher.
From Here
Strategic Dec 9, 2005
Libs- 36%
Cons-28%
Ndp-16%
Bloc-14%
Green-6%
SES-CPAC Dec 9, 2005
LIbs-39%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-11%
Green-4%
I wonder why Strategic is always so diferent than other polls?
Seat Projection From Here
Liberals- 130
Conservatives- 92
NDP- 24
Bloc-62
Green-0
Liberal Lead Continues; Harper and Layton Improve on Leadership Index
A teaser:
"For the past three days of CPAC-SES tracking the Liberals have enjoyed a comfortable lead. As of Thursday night the Liberals had 41% support followed by the Conservatives at 26%, the NDP at 18%, the BQ at 11% and the Green Party at 4%.
The percentage of Quebec voters who are undecided continues to climb. On our first day of CPAC-SES tracking 11% of Quebecers were undecided. This has now hit 28% in Quebec. For the next week, Quebec will be the province to watch." - Nik Nanos, President, SES Research
Today, CPAC and SES are releasing detailed regional breakdowns based on a respondent sample of 2,000 Canadians (5 days of field work) completed between December 4 and December 8, 2005.
LIB - SES 40%, Leger 39%
CP - SES 26%, Leger 27%
NDP - SES 18%, Leger 16%
BQ - SES 11%, Leger 12%
GP - SES 4%, Leger 5%
All values in parenthesis are changes from our November 13th national
survey.
In Quebec
BQ - 50% (-5)
LIB - 32% (+8 )
CP - 9% (+1)
NDP - 7% (-1)
GP - 1% (-3)
Outside Quebec
LIB - 44% (+7)
CP - 32% (-3)
NDP - 21% (-4)
GP - 5% (+1)
Best PM
Martin - 30% (+1)
Unsure -19% (+6)
Harper - 18% (-4)
None - 13% (+2)
Layton - 12% (-4)
Duceppe - 6% (-1)
Harris - 2% (-2)
[/end teaser] Click link above for the rest. Interesting numbers.
Quebec numbers are surprising, I would of thought Bloc would of been higher.
I think that this election will see a Conservative minority government. This government can crawl into bed with the BLoc. Split the country, can Ontario, and get some things done. Alberta and the west can get some representation, the Bloc can have Quebec, Ontario can suck on my left nut.
A right wing Conservative government, even minority, can function smoothly. We just have to saddle up to the right wing Bloc, and each find a way to work together. The Bloc only cares about Quebec, and so we can let them do there thing, the propaganda machine has been impressive. The Liberals and NDP can rot in there seats while some heavy handed changes can begin to sweep Canada. The combined seats would be enough to keep the Conservative government sailing. I think that the hammer has to be swung at the remaining rotten structure known as the Liberal Party, and bring the whole thing to the ground. All that needs to be done is to get the Conservatives into a minority government, even one seat over the needed amount. That is all that it will take.
Cheers.
Cheers.
The Bloc are left-leaning. It's the promise of, "some heavy handed changes can begin to sweep Canada," and dumb-assed statements like, "Ontario can suck on my left nut," that keep the Conservatives from gaining support.
If the CPC got a minority government, which all they can conceivably get, they'd be powerless to get any of their policies through. If they insisted, they'd fall.
Only people who think it's a good idea to have two federal elections in 2006, ending with a Liberal majority, would vote Conservative this time around.
If the CPC got a minority government, which all they can conceivably get, they'd be powerless to get any of their policies through. If they insisted, they'd fall.
Only people who think it's a good idea to have two federal elections in 2006, ending with a Liberal majority, would vote Conservative this time around.
A Harper majority would be the end of Canada as we know it. He'd turn us into nothing more than a satellite state of the US.
Fortunately, he'll never win a majority government and after this election will most likely be shipped off to the political hinterland to write more insane position papers for right-wing think tanks and lobby groups like the NCC.
Hey, maybe he'll recommend adopting the US dollar again. That went over so well the first time.
Fortunately, he'll never win a majority government and after this election will most likely be shipped off to the political hinterland to write more insane position papers for right-wing think tanks and lobby groups like the NCC.
Hey, maybe he'll recommend adopting the US dollar again. That went over so well the first time.
That comment was made by an average Canadian. What about that Liberal MP who said "Alberta can blow me". Then you wonder why Alberta wants to seperate.
We will see how much they will get done starting in 7 weeks.
Wasn't it you that said that the Canadian people would make the CPC pay for forcing an election after only 17 months. I guess when the Liberals/NDP do it after 2 months, the Canadian public will reward them with a majority.
Less corruption.
Less waste.
Less theft.
More unity with the West.
More money in our pockets.
Tougher on crime.
Canadians getting to choose where to spend their money on their own kids instead of being forced to pack them like sardines into a state run child care facility reminiscint of the ex Soviet Union.
Quebecers content that the Liberals have finally paid for their underhanded tactics.
No more Mr. Dithers.
Barbie Stronach goes back to running daddy's business.
Opening of the books and Chretien along with a dozen or so party faithful going to jail.
Actually, that statement is attributed to Scott Reid who is not an MP. It allegedly happened in a bar several months ago, although the Western Standard opinion writer who made the claim has offered no proof (tape redording, unbiased witnesses) that it actually happened.
You really need to work on getting your facts straight, BT.
You mean when they lose the election, fire Harper, and begin that long-standing conservative tradition of eating their own young? I'm looking forward to it.
That's been the history.
Look, the CPC would only have a minority. Harper would arrogantly try to push through a money bill that he had no support on. The government would fall and an election would be called. The Canadian people would say, "Well, we gave them their chance and they blew it. The Conservatives can't compromise. Time to put in a government that will do some work."
How? Is he going to adopt the NDP ethics package?
How? Is he going to alienate Ontario or start work on that firewall.
How? Through some tax cuts? Except we'll have to spend our money to make up for the sudden cuts in social programs and rising cost due to the privatisation of medicare and other crown corporations. Meanwhile he'll start deficit spending all over again and we'll have to pay more later.
We've been here before.
How? By joining the failed US war on drugs? By keeping pot illegal? By shutting down needle exchange programs and safe inection sites?
Wow...this statement has no connection to reality whatsoever. I think that straw you're grasping at is the one that broke the Conservative camel's back.
The only thing worse than the mess the Liberals have made in Quebec is the spectre of the mess the Conservatives will make in Quebec.
Of course you have no proof of criminality...even Gomery did not find Chretien criminally responsible.
I'm all for opening the party books though. That includes the Conservative books. Where did the money come from for Harper's leadership run? Who owns all of those numbered companies that donate to the Conservative Party? Why does Stephen Harper want unlimited third party advertising?
Let's open up all of the books. Full transparency.
If Rev B knows this or not, why was Martin's dealings with his own company, during his years as Finance Minister, kept out of the Gomery Inquiery. While many other members of the Liberal "Quebec Wing" party had there businesses micro anaylized. Is Rev B so Naieve to think that the Finance Minister at the time, was uninvolved, knew nothing about, or had no part in this scandal. Come ON!! If he knew nothing about this magnatude of a program, where the funds were going, or what was being accomplished, should he be leading our country?? I think he is as dirty as those caught, and a Conservative party would "Deep 6" his ass along with many more of his Liberal Brethern, as soon as those books, that are so bound up in Ottawa were reviewed. Why cant the public review all transcripts, files, and inner workings at there leisure. Is there somthing to hide?? Are we too ignornat to decipher what is in these magical files?? Let the public have a good look at what goes on in the inner workings of these parties. It takes a brave whistle Blower to expose these things, because they are privy to the info. I think we should all have a good look, especially in the election, let us make decisions on the Truth, not the half truths and lies that we have to chew through. This party is sick to the core, has lied over and over and over, and keeps crawling back in. The biggest reason, Ontario does not want a leader from Alberta. The beginning and end of this thing, they can not stomach the power shift, the economic power of Alberta, the changing of the guard. They are losing this thing slowly and wont give up. They would rather elect a corupt "has been" party, over fresh, young, inovative party from the west. I think that if the Conservative party was led from an Ontario riding, there would be a different poll structure. It is sad when a union like Canada is as self centered as it is. Alienating the west is like pulling the engine out of your car and buying a couple of ponies to pull it.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Hey, here is a joke for all of you.
The Pope was on his death bed, he said to the man who was taking care of him..."I have one last request"...the man said "What's that"....The Pope said" I want Jean Chretien and Paul Martin to come here and to stand on either side of me."....the guy said "Sure sir, but I gotta ask, why"?...well because the Pope said "I wanna die like Jesus, a thief on either side"...hahahahahah
The Pope was on his death bed, he said to the man who was taking care of him..."I have one last request"...the man said "What's that"....The Pope said" I want Jean Chretien and Paul Martin to come here and to stand on either side of me."....the guy said "Sure sir, but I gotta ask, why"?...well because the Pope said "I wanna die like Jesus, a thief on either side"...hahahahahah
Decima Research- British Columbia
Libs 36%
NDP-32%
Cons-27%
A stark contrast from 2004 when Cons had 36% and Libs 28%
Libs 36%
NDP-32%
Cons-27%
A stark contrast from 2004 when Cons had 36% and Libs 28%
Liberals snatching NDP votes in Ontario
A teaser:
New Democrats' support level drops to single digits as Grits reach their highest mark since May, poll says
Ottawa and Beamsville, Ont. — Prime Minister Paul Martin made a targeted campaign swing through Ontario's southern heartland yesterday as a new poll showed Liberal support in the province surging to its highest point in weeks, mainly at the expense of the New Democrats.
Mr. Martin's Liberals now have the support of 40 per cent of the province's voters, compared with 24 per cent for Stephen Harper's Conservatives and nine per cent for Jack Layton's New Democrats.
That's the highest level of Liberal support since last May, marking a rise of 10 percentage points since the beginning of December.[/end of teaser]
I will admit I am a little surprised by this, but I still think the NDP will do alright in Ontario. A long way to go until election time.
The cons not doing so hot there either. Maybe Liberals are stealing NDP support as they want to keep Harper out?
A teaser:
New Democrats' support level drops to single digits as Grits reach their highest mark since May, poll says
Ottawa and Beamsville, Ont. — Prime Minister Paul Martin made a targeted campaign swing through Ontario's southern heartland yesterday as a new poll showed Liberal support in the province surging to its highest point in weeks, mainly at the expense of the New Democrats.
Mr. Martin's Liberals now have the support of 40 per cent of the province's voters, compared with 24 per cent for Stephen Harper's Conservatives and nine per cent for Jack Layton's New Democrats.
That's the highest level of Liberal support since last May, marking a rise of 10 percentage points since the beginning of December.[/end of teaser]
I will admit I am a little surprised by this, but I still think the NDP will do alright in Ontario. A long way to go until election time.
The cons not doing so hot there either. Maybe Liberals are stealing NDP support as they want to keep Harper out?
The numbers don't sound right...that's a 7 point drop from most polls. There is no doubt that Liberals are picking up NDP votes because people are afraid of Harper though, and that it is part of the Liberal strategy.
Layton was the first of the leaders to sign the Worker's Bill of Rights yesterday though, something that Harper likely won't sign at all and Martin was likely offered first, given his heavy campaigning for union votes. That should bring back some of those votes in Southern Ontario. There will also be a relaxing of anti-Harper votes going to the Liberals when people realise that Harper is losing badly in Ontario so they don't have to vote strategically.
Looks like the Green party could be in third place after this election.
The Liberals are squeezing the NDP out of existance yet "real" NDP supporters have no problem voting Liberal.
Every single NDP vote that goes Liberal is $1.70 less the NDP will get to fund their next election.
The Liberals are squeezing the NDP out of existance yet "real" NDP supporters have no problem voting Liberal.
Every single NDP vote that goes Liberal is $1.70 less the NDP will get to fund their next election.
I live in Northern Ontario NDP both federal and provincial until this election now I am trying my very best to let people know about the differences between NDP and Liberal because strategic voting seems to be the way here. Even though our NDP MP. has done a great job for our riding. People here still remember what Mike Harris did with his far right conservative agenda to our province and just thinking about that same agenda federally has given everybody the creeps. We are still recovering from the Harris education reform.