The thing is the Greens won't elect anyone and you really think green will be in 3rd? So who else are they going to have more seats than? The Tories or Bloc? :wink:
Polls
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Breakthrough knows nothing about politics, No 1. He's just trolling and trying to get a reaction because nobody will buy he radical neo-conservatism.
Keep working on it, Briteyes. The Liberal numbers are high enough that people don't have to worry about voting strategically this year though...you might try teling them that.
Keep working on it, Briteyes. The Liberal numbers are high enough that people don't have to worry about voting strategically this year though...you might try teling them that.
http://www.nupge.ca/news_2005/n11de05b.htm
"The bill of rights was prepared by the two unions, which jointly represent more than half a million union members in all parts of Canada."
The key section in The Workers' Bill or Rights reads as follows:
"All workers have the right to form unions for the promotion and defence of their interests without interference by employer or government. This basic human right goes together with freedom of association and freedom of expression. It is the basis of democratic representation and governance.
"All workers have the right to a legal framework that recognizes collective bargaining as the means of determining their wages, working conditions and terms of employment."
On Dec. 8, Clancy challenged all of Canada's national political leaders to pledge their support for the declaration during the current election campaign.
Clancy and Fraser said they plan to lobby all other leaders to follow Layton's example and add their names before Jan. 23.
Layton was not only the first leader to accept the challenge issued by the two unions, he also put on a NUPGE union jacket presented to him by Clancy in the spirit of solidarity with workers across the country.
"A worker's right to join a union and bargain collectively is an important human right," Layton said. "I'm proud to show my support for these principles." NUPGE
Who the hell but Layton would sign something like this?
You're against people being able to join a union, Jay? It's part of the International Bill of Human Rights too. Are you against that as well?
Note...there is nothing in there saying that you have to join a union, just that people have the right to do so.
Are you against freedom of choice? Likely freedom of speech too, if I recall some of your anti-strike/anti-protest posts correctly.
Note...there is nothing in there saying that you have to join a union, just that people have the right to do so.
Are you against freedom of choice? Likely freedom of speech too, if I recall some of your anti-strike/anti-protest posts correctly.
Re: RE: Polls
If you think that this little bill is going to get Layton votes In SW Ontario, you both are mistaken. It will get GM, Ford and Teachers votes though...you know the people who make 80K a year and demand their health care for free.
This little document would destroy small business, but something tells me that maybe that's what is behind all of this....
I work for a small company and I wouldn't trust these "workers" for two seconds with the companies interests.
Reverend Blair said:
If you think that this little bill is going to get Layton votes In SW Ontario, you both are mistaken. It will get GM, Ford and Teachers votes though...you know the people who make 80K a year and demand their health care for free.
This little document would destroy small business, but something tells me that maybe that's what is behind all of this....
I work for a small company and I wouldn't trust these "workers" for two seconds with the companies interests.
You are absolutely Right Jay.
I own a small business, I wouldn't vote for somthing like that in a million years. This is nothing short of Communism.
deleted and posted in moderator fourm, nothing but a sick personal attack!
I own a small business, I wouldn't vote for somthing like that in a million years. This is nothing short of Communism.
deleted and posted in moderator fourm, nothing but a sick personal attack!
I'm self-employed, Grover. I've been working all day...making a living. I'll likely keep going until around midnight. So drop the lies and innuendo, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about and it's making you look like a moron.
You guys are freaking out because workers should have rights? People being paid a decent wage for their work is communism? Having benefits and vacations is a bad thing? What a pair of fools.
Hey, I know some truckers. You wouldn't be one of those owners who abuses his workers, would you Grover? You know...encouraging them to cheat on their logs, run overweight, drive dangerous vehicles. Anybody ever get killed by one of your trucks, Grover? A wheel ever fall off and wipe somebody out? Brakes ever fail in the mountains?
Grover
Your personal and sick attack on a poster has been edited and deleted and posted in the moderator fourm. You are banned for 24 hours, you come back and start this kind of personal attack again, it will be for good!
Your personal and sick attack on a poster has been edited and deleted and posted in the moderator fourm. You are banned for 24 hours, you come back and start this kind of personal attack again, it will be for good!
I'm not freaking out and I don't appreciate the "fools" comment.
I'm already covered by the provincial labour code. I don't need a union to represent me, I can represent myself just fine. I think if this became law, it would kill small business.
I'm already covered by the provincial labour code. I don't need a union to represent me, I can represent myself just fine. I think if this became law, it would kill small business.
How would it kill small business, Jay? Is there anything in there that makes unions mandatory? No. Is there anything in there that would over-ride provincial labour legislation? No. Do you even understand what the declaration is about? Apparently not.
That's rich Rev. I've voted Liberal my entire life up until the last election and all of a sudden I'm a radical neo-conservative?
You lost what little credibility you had left. All you do is spew personal attacks and spin your lies.
I noticed Grover got banned for a personal attack and you keep getting free passes and you have the audacity to talk about freedom of speech.
What, workers having the right to form unions? They have that right now, Jay. We still have small business. In fact it is our biggest job-creator.
The declaration is just an affirmation that won't change...that union-busting laws like those in the slave states of the US won't be allowed in.
The declaration is just an affirmation that won't change...that union-busting laws like those in the slave states of the US won't be allowed in.
So Mrs. Rev was just the subject of a Conservative push poll directed against the NDP. They didn't say who the polling company was.
All of the Conservative issues were presented as solid choices in the prominent first position. Other policy choices were worded negatively with the NDP policies being presented the most negatively.
The final question was "Would you rather vote for a party that could form government or one knew would never form government."
Push polling is about the slimiest election trick that there is. It is inherently dishonest and tries to sway opinions both through the questions asked and the biased results that those questions lead to.
It looks like Stevie Harper just dived into the mud and is wallowing like the pig he is.
All of the Conservative issues were presented as solid choices in the prominent first position. Other policy choices were worded negatively with the NDP policies being presented the most negatively.
The final question was "Would you rather vote for a party that could form government or one knew would never form government."
Push polling is about the slimiest election trick that there is. It is inherently dishonest and tries to sway opinions both through the questions asked and the biased results that those questions lead to.
It looks like Stevie Harper just dived into the mud and is wallowing like the pig he is.
To me Strategic seems to always make Conservatives look better than any other poll and todays polls are no diferent.
From here
Strategic Dec 11, 2005
Libs-35%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-14%
Green-6%
SES-CPAC Dec 11, 2005
Libs-39%
Cons-31%
NDP-14%
Bloc-13%
Green-4%
Seat Projection
Libs-130
Cons-92
NDP-24
Bloc-62
Green-0
From here
Strategic Dec 11, 2005
Libs-35%
Cons-30%
NDP-15%
Bloc-14%
Green-6%
SES-CPAC Dec 11, 2005
Libs-39%
Cons-31%
NDP-14%
Bloc-13%
Green-4%
Seat Projection
Libs-130
Cons-92
NDP-24
Bloc-62
Green-0
Interesting read:
The hunt for a no-telephone poll
A teaser:
A way of conducting accurate, respected online polls has been described as the "Holy Grail" of the market research industry. It would be dramatically cheaper and quicker than conducting phone surveys. It would do away with the problem of declining response rates to phone polls, and it would be less intrusive because it would rely on a pool of people who have already indicated they are willing to answer survey questions.
Canadian market research company Decima has been refining what it calls its eVox panel for the past three years. About 50,000 people have signed up to answer occasional online questionnaires about everything from headache pills to Christmas shopping intentions. In return, they get the chance to win monthly prizes of $1,000. This is no pop-up poll, which allows companies or political parties to skew the results by repeatedly visiting a website. Potential respondents must fill out a detailed demographic survey when they sign up, and they don't know what types of surveys they will be asked to fill out. The company then chooses names from its database at random to represent the full population's mix of age groups, genders, income levels, and geographic distribution.[/end of teaser]
The hunt for a no-telephone poll
A teaser:
A way of conducting accurate, respected online polls has been described as the "Holy Grail" of the market research industry. It would be dramatically cheaper and quicker than conducting phone surveys. It would do away with the problem of declining response rates to phone polls, and it would be less intrusive because it would rely on a pool of people who have already indicated they are willing to answer survey questions.
Canadian market research company Decima has been refining what it calls its eVox panel for the past three years. About 50,000 people have signed up to answer occasional online questionnaires about everything from headache pills to Christmas shopping intentions. In return, they get the chance to win monthly prizes of $1,000. This is no pop-up poll, which allows companies or political parties to skew the results by repeatedly visiting a website. Potential respondents must fill out a detailed demographic survey when they sign up, and they don't know what types of surveys they will be asked to fill out. The company then chooses names from its database at random to represent the full population's mix of age groups, genders, income levels, and geographic distribution.[/end of teaser]
You guys are going to drive yourselves nuts. I couldn't look at the polls every day, it would get me so upset I'd do a half-gainer off the Reversing Falls bridge.
And my party's got twice the support of your party.
Seriously, for the sake of your mental health, leave it until after the New Year.
And my party's got twice the support of your party.
Seriously, for the sake of your mental health, leave it until after the New Year.
That's because you look at politics as a win/loss proposition, Colpy. That's the result of the divisive and inaccurate rhetoric of the Conservative Party here and the Republican party in the US more than anything else.