Political commentary on court verdicts hurts views of justice system: lawyers

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Political commentary on court verdicts hurts views of justice system: lawyers


Linda Givetash, The Canadian Press
Published Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:33AM EST
VANCOUVER -- The public perception of political interference in criminal trials places the independence of Canada's judiciary system at risk, lawyers say.

Concerns have been raised following federal Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould's comments on the acquittal of a white farmer charged in the death of an Indigenous man in Saskatchewan.

Edmonton-based criminal lawyer Tom Engel said when politicians, especially the justice minister, appear to criticize verdicts, the public may believe that future decisions by the courts are influenced by the remarks.


Wilson-Raybould said in a tweet that Canada "can and must do better," after a jury found Gerald Stanley not guilty of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Colten Boushie.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also weighed in at a news conference Saturday, saying Canada has "come to this point as a country far too many times."

Engel said if the case is appealed, he doesn't believe the politicians' comments would colour the decisions made by the appeal courts or Supreme Court of Canada.

The problem, he said, is that the public may perceive that there is an influence.

"You can't have even that kind of appearance in our justice system," he said.

Michael Lacy, a partner in the criminal law group Brauti Thorning Zibarras LLP in Toronto, also said politicians "have no business at all" in commenting on the outcome of a trial.

"It undermines the independence of the judicial branch," he said in an email.

"Saying anything that amounts to commenting on the correctness of the verdict, to improve your public image or ensure an appropriate approval rating, should be criticized in Canada," Lacy said, adding public figures should stick to offering sympathies over the tragic loss of life.

Rallies were held across the country Saturday to show support for, and solidarity with, the Boushie family.

The trial heard that Boushie was shot in the head while he was sitting in an SUV that had been driven onto Stanley's farm near Biggar, Sask. Stanley testified that he was trying to scare off Boushie and the others in the vehicle. He said the fatal shot occurred when he reached into the SUV to grab the keys out of the ignition and his gun "just went off."

The Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations and Boushie's family have raised concerns about the trial because there were no visibly Indigenous jurors selected.

Perry Bellegarde, national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said Saturday that the courts are rife with systemic racism and the justice system is in need of an overhaul.

Engel said the case does raise questions about the diversity of a jury and how members are selected. He said politicians could use this an opportunity to look at how legislative changes can improve those processes, while steering clear of discussing the verdict.

The use of peremptory challenges to eliminate certain people from juries is a procedure that needs to be reconsidered, he said, adding it's understandable that people are questioning the apparent whiteness of the jury in this case.

"You can't go from that fact to say the verdict was wrong. Nobody knows that," Engel said. "I think the perception that's been created here is just awful in terms of the integrity of that trial and whether racism played a part."

https://www.cp24.com/news/political...rts-views-of-justice-system-lawyers-1.3798641

We are led by post modernist morons.

Out out damned spot.....in 2019

Make it so.
 

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Political control of the Armed Forces has always bee a problem too. It should be the other way around, eh?
 

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The just us minister does have one valid point. If the police were doing their job two armed drunks would not have invaded an innocent farmer's land and threatened him.
 

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The just us minister does have one valid point. If the police were doing their job two armed drunks would not have invaded an innocent farmer's land and threatened him.

What Police? RCMP are under funded and stretched to their limits.
 

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Sask dosent have police?

My Saskatchewan born-and-bred father told me that early in the 20th century, Saskachewan had it's own provincial police force but during the depths of the Great Depression, they had to shed it and pass the responsibilities on (back) to the Mounties.
 

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My Saskatchewan born-and-bred father told me that early in the 20th century, Saskachewan had it's own provincial police force but during the depths of the Great Depression, they had to shed it and pass the responsibilities on (back) to the Mounties.

RNWMP were cheaper?
 

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just commented on this in another thread.

it is unusual for ministers to comment on verdicts, but I believe they have to get out in front of whatever international criticism there might be as regards indigenous people. Canada takes shit kicking at the UN etc over this thing.

We understand that these people do not get treated the same, but others do not understand it like we do.
 

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just commented on this in another thread.

it is unusual for ministers to comment on verdicts, but I believe they have to get out in front of whatever international criticism there might be as regards indigenous people. Canada takes shit kicking at the UN etc over this thing.

We understand that these people do not get treated the same, but others do not understand it like we do.


Are you suggesting Dopey was out tweeting about this because he was worried about all the people taking
hundreds of millions of our money might say 'tut tut Leafs' ?


Yeah, ok. That's about as solid as 'my peoplekind thing was just a joke, you know.'


No, it was just him fanning the flames of the identity political SJWs.
 

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Not really sure who you mean but Canada is widely reviled for the state of indigenous affairs and frankly most Canadians are fed up with it too.

Its like the homeless issue - we are tired of living with it and want to get it solved to whatever degree that is possible.
 

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The Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations and Boushie's family have raised concerns about the trial because there were no visibly Indigenous jurors selected.

Perry Bellegarde, national chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said Saturday that the courts are rife with systemic racism and the justice system is in need of an overhaul.

Engel said the case does raise questions about the diversity of a jury and how members are selected. He said politicians could use this an opportunity to look at how legislative changes can improve those processes, while steering clear of discussing the verdict.

The use of peremptory challenges to eliminate certain people from juries is a procedure that needs to be reconsidered, he said, adding it's understandable that people are questioning the apparent whiteness of the jury in this case.

"You can't go from that fact to say the verdict was wrong. Nobody knows that," Engel said. "I think the perception that's been created here is just awful in terms of the integrity of that trial and whether racism played a part."

This is scary. The fundamental building block in our justice system is trial by a jury of your peers ... not some quazi politically correct balanced bunch of snowflakes. If the accused was native he would have every right to have 12 native jurors decide his fate.
 

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just commented on this in another thread.

it is unusual for ministers to comment on verdicts, but I believe they have to get out in front of whatever international criticism there might be as regards indigenous people. Canada takes shit kicking at the UN etc over this thing.

We understand that these people do not get treated the same, but others do not understand it like we do.

I have a couple of prob;ems with this.

The ideologically hidebound and dangerous nitwits we have elected will not be happy until they have screwed the justice system by eliminating protections for this accused of politically incorrect crimes. Witness the Ghomeshi verdict, which resulted in the state trying to limit the use of text messages between the accuser and accused as a defense.

Expect more of this BS from the Prime Moron.

As well, these comments are essentially calling the jurors "racist", The jurors are forbidden by law to defend themselves, as it is illegal in Canada to reveal details of jury deliberations during or after a trial.

And thirdly, if there is an appeal, it will be impossible for Stanley to get a fair trial, as the most prominent people in Canada are essentially calling for his head.

The PM and his Merry Band of the Intellectually Challenged need to STFU.
 

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This trial should have been moved to a different jurisdiction to begin with. But the problem of all-white juries remains.
 

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This trial should have been moved to a different jurisdiction to begin with. But the problem of all-white juries remains.

It seems to me, after watching the unanimous statements by First Nations people decrying the verdict, the defense lawyer had very good judgement in releasing FN jurors.

Identity politics are the death of justice.
 

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Stanley exercised his right to be tried by a jury of his peers.

I wonder what the verdict would have been is there had been an all First Nations jury?
 

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Stanley exercised his right to be tried by a jury of his peers.

I wonder what the verdict would have been is there had been an all First Nations jury?


Healing circle, no time.

Oh wait.

Death by scalping. Cuz, Stanley wuz a white boi, and all FNs are racist.



Was this the goofy loopy answer you were looking for ?

Is this what you want now, only FN juries in FN cases, so they can
'take care of their own'.

That's your idea of justice ? Only according to race ? So, who is the racist now ?
 

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I'm going with the people who think the First nations are treated in the same way as everyone else.

They are not, and everyone knows it, and the Prime Minister said as much yesterday.
 

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Stanley exercised his right to be tried by a jury of his peers.

I wonder what the verdict would have been is there had been an all First Nations jury?
If Stanley was a First Nations farmer who shot a white punk on his property in similar circumstances would have been entitled to an all First Nations jury. Those would have been his peers.

(If you believe if that was the scenario the defendant would have even gone to trial.)

The defendant also does have an option for a judge if he so chooses instead of a jury.