Polar Vortex brings near record cold temps this winter

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Well, if you don't accept the temperature record, that's fine. Most people, even among skeptics, accept the instrumental temperature record showing a global rise in temperature of about 0.74 deg C.

You speak as if the 'climate' is deemed to be static and never moving.


If you don't accept the temperature record, then your logical response with respect to global warming, should be "I don't know" since that should be your conclusion when lacking any data.

With respect, it is fair to say that no one has a fully comprehensive understanding of the climatic system(s) and relevant variables. I believe your advice would be best adopted by the truther crowd that has pinned their position on 'facts' that simply don't exist
 

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zipper said:
Well, if you don't accept the temperature record, that's fine. Most people, even among skeptics, accept the instrumental temperature record showing a global rise in temperature of about 0.74 deg C.

Hooray. Only 3.25C to go to even come close to the last interglacial period and we have all this human CO2 (93ppm) to show for it.
 

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You speak as if the 'climate' is deemed to be static and never moving.

No, I speak of the tempperature record since 1850. No more, no less.




With respect, it is fair to say that no one has a fully comprehensive understanding of the climatic system(s) and relevant variables. I believe your advice would be best adopted by the truther crowd that has pinned their position on 'facts' that simply don't exist

With mutual respect, I completely agree. We don't understand the climate system. What's worse--a common human foible--is that we think we understand it a lot more than we actually do understand it.
 

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No, I speak of the tempperature record since 1850. No more, no less.
Why? You have no choice but compare interglacial to interglacial.

A geological phenomenon that has been going on for millions of years with chronological precision can only be viewed with one geological outcome.

Whatever happens along the way in regards to climate is Social fluff.

The outcome of our journey through time is set in stone.
 

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I didn't make the claim.

Nor did I. I simply passed on the information that I read.

If you dispute it, feel free to check at your leisure. It is easy to find.

Just because the Alarmists have been embarrassed by Prof. Turney's failed Global Warming Expedition being trapped in the ice and having to be rescued isn't going to prompt me to run their errands and do their research for them.

Lol

I'm laughing extra hard because this is what the deniers sound like.


 

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Why? You have no choice but compare interglacial to interglacial.

A geological phenomenon that has been going on for millions of years with chronological precision can only be viewed with one geological outcome.

Whatever happens along the way in regards to climate is Social fluff.

The outcome of our journey through time is set in stone.

There is nothing precise about the advent and passing of ice ages and interglacial periods. They are periodic, but not in any readily predictable way.

The difference here is that CO2 levels have increased faster than at any time in the geological record. CO2 levels are higher than at at any time. Interglacials are typically around 280 to 300 ppm CO2. The current concentration of around 390 is about 20% higher than anything in the past 800,000 years, according to ice core samples.

Geologically speaking, we've supercharged the the atmosphere with CO2 instantaneously (150 years). Myself, given the heat-trapping properties of CO2, I would expect to seea consequent rise in temperature.
 

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Nor did I. I simply passed on the information that I read.

If you dispute it, feel free to check at your leisure. It is easy to find.

Just because the Alarmists have been embarrassed by Prof. Turney's failed Global Warming Expedition being trapped in the ice and having to be rescued isn't going to prompt me to run their errands and do their research for them.

Whatever. You can't even provide a source, never mind a calculation.
 

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Are the 450,000 trees based on the cabon bank model where the tree only need to be maintained for 8 years then new saplings planted?

Funny thing. The best way to turn rainforest, semi-arid brush land, sub-boreal deciduous softwood and boreal forest into profitable food crop land is slash and burn to clear and then burn saplings repeatedly to make Terra Preta.
 
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You made a claim, you can't back it up. Whay are you still arguing the point? You tapped out about six posts ago. :lol:

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I didn't make the claim. It's out there... you know it is. I am sure you checked and got red in the face. It hasn't been a good week for the Alarmist has it?

No one is arguing anything. You're just fuming that I won't do your research for you. No wonder why scientist are getting their funding cut. Too lazy.
 

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What does climate data from past events show as the inevitable outcome? We know we can't control wobble or orbital deviation so what do you think is about to happen and how should we prepare?
 

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I didn't make the claim. It's out there... you know it is. I am sure you checked and got red in the face. It hasn't been a good week for the Alarmist has it?

No one is arguing anything. You're just fuming that I won't do your research for you. No wonder why scientist are getting their funding cut. Too lazy.

You got caught making stuff up.

At this point you're just wandering around teh ring and spitting out your teeth like so mnay bloody broken chiclets. Do yourself a favour and stay down. :lol:

Uranium and thorium don't lie and shore up geological time quite nicely.

They don't precisely predict ice ages and interglacial periods either.

People who specilaize in earth scineces know that prediction is very difficult. Although I'm not an earth scinetist, I've read quite a bit, out of interest, on predicting earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters. Beilve me they don't go around saying these kinds of things happen with predictable precision.
 

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You got caught making stuff up.

At this point you're just wandering around teh ring and spitting out your teeth like so mnay bloody broken chiclets. Do yourself a favour and stay down. :lol:


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Oh no... you know its out there. Quite easy to find... just use "The Google" and there it is. Multiple sources to chose from as well!

Prof. Turney must plant a forest to off set his failed expedition's Carbon Footprint. 450,000 TREES and counting they are saying.

You've already read all about it I am sure... you just want me to run the errand for you. That is what this is all about now. You got owned once again. Heck just look at all your typos and we can tell you are pretty upset about this.

It hasn't been a good week for Alarmists I know.
 

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You got caught making stuff up.

At this point you're just wandering around teh ring and spitting out your teeth like so mnay bloody broken chiclets. Do yourself a favour and stay down. :lol:



They don't precisely predict ice ages and interglacial periods either.

People who specilaize in earth scineces know that prediction is very difficult. Although I'm not an earth scinetist, I've read quite a bit, out of interest, on predicting earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters. Beilve me they don't go around saying these kinds of things happen with predictable precision.
What's to predict when we're living at the end of one?