Remember that driver who killed I believe 5 people in Calgary - What did he receive.
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Remember that driver who killed I believe 5 people in Calgary - What did he receive.
Here is a classic case of people making demands on a politician who can't do much,
and should not be involved with most of this. Now the pot law is nonsense and we
all know that. I have never been acquainted with the plant and have nothing to do with
them but they are not as harmful as a bottle of rum yet you go to jail for it. All this
stuff about the drug is flawed science to downright falsehoods. Now talk to me about
hard drugs that is another matter entirely. As for pot being a gateway drug is nothing
more than people wanting to keep it illegal for vested interests.
1 Lawyers judges and the legal support system wants this illegal because the money is good.
2 Police and various police agencies want it illegal because the can go after users and no one
questions why the big boys and importers get away with the crimes they do.
3 Organized criminals want the drug illegal because it keeps the price up and the money rolls in.
4 Churches want is illegal because it is the lightening rod focus of another evil product and its
lumped in with the real hard drugs as a, you got it a Gateway Drug. Why do so many
make the claim when they are before the courts? If they say that they have joined the mainstream
of society and that makes it easier to be forgiven by the prosecution. Its not because
its true it means a lighter sentence.
Don't believe the last point? Ask yourself why do so many end up before the courts two, three or
more times. Simply because they know the words have lighter sentence written all over it.
Mr Harper knows this is the case also he also knows there are a number of religious voters and
senior citizens who want these laws and sentences whether they are needed or not and he like
all politicians are addicted to majority votes.
Now look at the other issues here, how does a Prime Minister involve themselves in specific cases
such as this? I am not a Tory, and never have been, but to be fair to Mr. Harper, if he decided to
wade into this he would have thousands of files on his desk that would be impossible to solve and
change the system. These matters are for the police, the justices, and for the communities to solve.
The best place to begin of course with teens etc is in the family home and unfortunately all too
often the appropriated discussions never take place. The sad truth is it is often too late to ever
have that discussion because the child is dead. Don't blame the Prime Minister for these problems
except the silly crime bill, blame the society we live in and the neglect of adults.
and should not be involved with most of this. Now the pot law is nonsense and we
all know that. I have never been acquainted with the plant and have nothing to do with
them but they are not as harmful as a bottle of rum yet you go to jail for it. All this
stuff about the drug is flawed science to downright falsehoods. Now talk to me about
hard drugs that is another matter entirely. As for pot being a gateway drug is nothing
more than people wanting to keep it illegal for vested interests.
1 Lawyers judges and the legal support system wants this illegal because the money is good.
2 Police and various police agencies want it illegal because the can go after users and no one
questions why the big boys and importers get away with the crimes they do.
3 Organized criminals want the drug illegal because it keeps the price up and the money rolls in.
4 Churches want is illegal because it is the lightening rod focus of another evil product and its
lumped in with the real hard drugs as a, you got it a Gateway Drug. Why do so many
make the claim when they are before the courts? If they say that they have joined the mainstream
of society and that makes it easier to be forgiven by the prosecution. Its not because
its true it means a lighter sentence.
Don't believe the last point? Ask yourself why do so many end up before the courts two, three or
more times. Simply because they know the words have lighter sentence written all over it.
Mr Harper knows this is the case also he also knows there are a number of religious voters and
senior citizens who want these laws and sentences whether they are needed or not and he like
all politicians are addicted to majority votes.
Now look at the other issues here, how does a Prime Minister involve themselves in specific cases
such as this? I am not a Tory, and never have been, but to be fair to Mr. Harper, if he decided to
wade into this he would have thousands of files on his desk that would be impossible to solve and
change the system. These matters are for the police, the justices, and for the communities to solve.
The best place to begin of course with teens etc is in the family home and unfortunately all too
often the appropriated discussions never take place. The sad truth is it is often too late to ever
have that discussion because the child is dead. Don't blame the Prime Minister for these problems
except the silly crime bill, blame the society we live in and the neglect of adults.
Amend the Law - Lower BOC to 0.04 or 0.05 %. More than 1 death in cases like this - life sentence - automatic. 25 Years before parole.
I think Law gives mixed messages. First they lower the drinking age and increase hours of sale, then they stiffen drinking laws.
Lowering the BOC is going to help how? Tell me what the average BOC is when deaths are involved. Is it down around the .08 or considerably higher?
As I have mentioned time and again - look at the rules in BC. Have a read, do your thinking then we can discuss. Note BC's actions worked.
Then you are talking about something that is a provincial responsibility rather than a federal. Make up your mind.
answer the above query. If the blood alcohol levels of those convicted of causing deaths is consistently higher than the minimum, then lowering it will not make a difference.
B.CX.s new law was more or less tossed out in BC supreme court recently. Mainly because it made the Police judge jury and executioner with no recourse to the courts. Had to do with the validity of the roadside screening devices. Not sure what is going to happen now.
Listen, I have had a brother killed by a drunk driver and a Grandson injured for life
by a drunk. I don't think lowering the BOC to .04 is going to do anything .05 is not
drunk it is in some cases on the boarder of being slowed down but not impaired
the .05 is window dressing in that people believe there is a solution.
In the old days when .08 came in people kept on driving drunk until the message
got out to most. .08 was reasonable it was based on science one can measure.
By contrast .05 is not based on science its based on public acceptance and people
eat it up thinking it positive and it is for reasons of fine and court fine collection. The
real problem is still not being addressed. All those afraid of the consequences are
the ones who won't drive at .05, good you say? Not really it prevents them from
taking a chance while the guy and gals who are not listening the .08 people and
higher continue to drive and continue to get caught like some revolving door. In fact
even if you take their licence they still find a way to drive, either without a licence or
without insurance.
We have to go after those who are really drunk and stop this nonsense of going after
the easy catch some guy who has had a beer on the way home or people going out
for a social drink or two over time in an evening. We are still not doing anything about
the serious drunks that don't learn. If you think zero four is going to stop deaths on
the highway you are wrong. These kids were likely long past the .04 or .05 for that
matter. They were the ones who were really drunk likely and being that high on the
scale didn't stop them from driving either.
Why am I not in favour of .04? We have to have a law that is credible and will be
observed by the population at large that makes it acceptable and adhered to. If you
lower something for artificial purposes or to appear to be doing something it loses its
effect. I have several grand kids who don't like .05 but they are willing to give it the
respect it has, lower it any more and people start saying to heck with this.
I have had first hand knowledge of the drunk driving and even the consequences of
death visit our family and I tell you a .04 law would start to be counter productive.
by a drunk. I don't think lowering the BOC to .04 is going to do anything .05 is not
drunk it is in some cases on the boarder of being slowed down but not impaired
the .05 is window dressing in that people believe there is a solution.
In the old days when .08 came in people kept on driving drunk until the message
got out to most. .08 was reasonable it was based on science one can measure.
By contrast .05 is not based on science its based on public acceptance and people
eat it up thinking it positive and it is for reasons of fine and court fine collection. The
real problem is still not being addressed. All those afraid of the consequences are
the ones who won't drive at .05, good you say? Not really it prevents them from
taking a chance while the guy and gals who are not listening the .08 people and
higher continue to drive and continue to get caught like some revolving door. In fact
even if you take their licence they still find a way to drive, either without a licence or
without insurance.
We have to go after those who are really drunk and stop this nonsense of going after
the easy catch some guy who has had a beer on the way home or people going out
for a social drink or two over time in an evening. We are still not doing anything about
the serious drunks that don't learn. If you think zero four is going to stop deaths on
the highway you are wrong. These kids were likely long past the .04 or .05 for that
matter. They were the ones who were really drunk likely and being that high on the
scale didn't stop them from driving either.
Why am I not in favour of .04? We have to have a law that is credible and will be
observed by the population at large that makes it acceptable and adhered to. If you
lower something for artificial purposes or to appear to be doing something it loses its
effect. I have several grand kids who don't like .05 but they are willing to give it the
respect it has, lower it any more and people start saying to heck with this.
I have had first hand knowledge of the drunk driving and even the consequences of
death visit our family and I tell you a .04 law would start to be counter productive.