Plans For Iran

[the caracal kid]

don't think i don't recognize the greater danger, jim.
it stands out quite boldly for all to see.
it is as simple as simple is...
the more "fingers on a button",
the more possible permutations that lead to a "pressed button"

but what you take as s simple fixation on hypocricy
is anything but.
it is not that I see America as having no say in proliferation because of what they hold,
nor is it out of any anti-american stance (to clarify from your exchange with beaver).
but more that I think that humanity itself has to face its greatest threat before a positive change will come.
For humans tend to "bury their heads in the sand",
on just about every issue that occurs beyond the tip of their own noses.
And sometimes it takes a big kick in the pants, a real wake-up call,
to get people to put aside petty differences and work together.

It is dancing in a minefield,
and it seems the only method that works.

Gaia will survive even the worst case scenario,
Humanity may not.

 

[jimmoyer]

I've never misunderstood that American hubris
has brought on alot of revulsion from the world.

But even with bright thoughtful types like you
Caracal kid, the ones that know better, sit on the
sidelines watching with such understanding why
each nation looks at its little penis and thinks it
has a patriotic right to grow and so like intellectual
voyeurs they passively watch these nations
stroke their own member.

 

[Gerald24]

If it was not for the situation in Iraq I would agree with taking out some Nuclear facilities in Iran. I think the Americans better leave this one for Europe.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Plans For Iran

If it was not for the situation in Iraq I would agree with taking out some Nuclear facilities in Iran. I think the Americans better leave this one for Europe.

You the last person I'd think I'd hear that from. Even I'm against Iran getting the bomb.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Plans For Iran

If it was not for the situation in Iraq I would agree with taking out some Nuclear facilities in Iran. I think the Americans better leave this one for Europe.

Europe will not take military action if it is required to do so, it's not gonna happen. I'm all for diplomacy till the very end, and despite popular belief the end is still rather far away.

 

[jimmoyer]

Europe is too pre-occupied with losing its
comforts of hard won entitlements to get off its
comfortably superior couch, and it is much too wise
to think Iran would do this were it not for
American cowboy behavior.

But we'll all watch like intellectual voyeurs
as Iran strokes its member and it becomes big
and turgid, until bang ---- ecstasy !!!

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Plans For Iran

If it was not for the situation in Iraq I would agree with taking out some Nuclear facilities in Iran. I think the Americans better leave this one for Europe.

Europe will not take military action if it is required to do so, it's not gonna happen. I'm all for diplomacy till the very end, and despite popular belief the end is still rather far away.

I don't know with the theocracy of Iran plus a conservative as president! I mean this guy is nuttier, much nuttier then Bush Jr. I think a preemtive strick on any kind of facility which can build the bomb is needed as soon as there is evidance of it being built. There's no way this man should ever have the bomb with the things he has said. Though I also think no nation should have the bomb. But this guy must be stopped. Isreal, USA EU, UN I don't care but he has to be stopped.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Plans For Iran

Europe is too pre-occupied with losing its
comforts of hard won entitlements to get off its
comfortably superior couch, and it is much too wise
to think Iran would do this were it not for
American cowboy behavior.

But we'll all watch like intellectual voyeurs
as Iran strokes its member and it becomes big
and turgid, until bang ---- ecstasy !!!

Also the EU is extremly democratic and I doubt they could agree on anything like this if Iran was to speed up there ability to make the bomb faster.

Don't get me wrong too, I'm not for the invasion of Iran...

 

[I think not]

I am hoping the EU and maybe Russia gets this done, and we sit back and watch. I hope.

 

[Finder]

Russia and China have a lot to gain by staying out and having the American's waste resources on this. I highly doubt either Russia and China which have economic ties will do anything long lasting or even with bite. We may see some small efforts by them however.

 

[I think not]

The EU, let the EU deal with this, the snobby elites sitting on their comfy throwns throwing darts from across the pond when they have nothing to lose except their own bad breath.

 

[darkbeaver]

Jim your America is building small nukes for hardened targets, your America wants what it calls a defensive missle system, you,re constantly building more and faster and bigger weapons, how big a dick do you need.Your a victim of your own propaganda.

 

[jimmoyer]

You're right Darkbeaver.

Now what?

 

[darkbeaver]

I was going to suggest prayer, but that won,t work either, I don,t see anything but war and death and misery, for all of us.

 

[jimmoyer]

The danger can come from any angle.

It might be from America.

Or

It might be from North Korea selling know-how to
individuals, not nation-states.

It might be from Iran that wants to gain leadership
of the muslim world and stand up to Goliath,
and maybe destroy Israel in all its own righteousness.

Maybe Kuwait should tremble, because the next
muslim country that invades it will definitely learn
the lesson Saddam said, and that is to have nuclear
weaponry and NO ONE will defend Kuwait if that's the case.

Young Kuwaitis forget how much their neighbors hate
them.

Most of the muslim world hates them.

 

[the caracal kid]

change frightens people.
better to embrace the cowardice of familiarity,
than the uncertianty of novelty.

change always has a way of coming though,
and be it the rise of Iran, or China, or North Korea
the one thing we see is the common desire for power and wealth that America has shown the world and yet can not be sustained nor achieved by all.
there just is not enough to go around.
but on the positive side, we usually find those that seek power and wealth are also quite avoidant of their own demise.
so as long as an understanding of mortality is clear,
and the relative success of their own egomanias are clearly tied to the success of those they eye as "the enemy" we may excape a return to the days of "nuclear bunkers".

 

[jimmoyer]

change frightens people.
better to embrace the cowardice of familiarity,
than the uncertianty of novelty.

change always has a way of coming though,
and be it the rise of Iran, or China, or North Korea
the one thing we see is the common desire for power and wealth that America has shown the world and yet can not be sustained nor achieved by all.
there just is not enough to go around.
but on the positive side, we usually find those that seek power and wealth are also quite avoidant of their own demise.
so as long as an understanding of mortality is clear,
and the relative success of their own egomanias are clearly tied to the success of those they eye as "the enemy" we may excape a return to the days of "nuclear bunkers".

--------------------------Caracal Kid---------------------------


What profound gobbledygooky !!

You're just an echo of the chattering classes, wisely
above it all, and you'll deny it in your sage calm, yet really
you are posing as above it all, only to be sucked into
the muck like the rest of us when this world gets its temper tantrum.

Come down off your perch, and worry which side
struggles for ascendancy.

None of your wise observations of Americans frightened
about losing hegemony to other rising nations mean anything.

You're going to be pulled down into the dirt like the rest of us
mortals. You're no Apollo. You're no Zeus sitting
up in the clouds smiling down at the inevitable
struggles of we mortals.

Get off this idea that sitting on the sidelines like some
voyeur God is morally superior to being interested in
which way this goes.

Did you put down your pipe and get out of your easy chair
yet ?

 

[the caracal kid]

but what if it is just a game to me?

for I have no vested interests in any "side",
for none of the sides are on my side.

if the Gaia reset button so happens to be hit,
so be it.

 

[jimmoyer]

You may have no perceived "vested interest", but
the ways of mere mortals are going to grab you into
sudden concern, my dear voyeur God.

 

[the caracal kid]

not really....