Parents pick prayer over doctor; diabetic girl dies

[look3467]

Sacrificing one's children to the gods has been around the ages of humanity.
But is something that society has to deal with.

Belief in child sacrifice is not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[AmberEyes]

And the point of that would be... what? These people aren't doing it right so god won't help them?

The point is that despite what your beliefs, if you aren't willing to act and help your "prayers" come about, whatever god you may believe in can't help you. Miracles don't happen unless we make them happen. (Though that tends to go against the common definition of a miracle). :-?

Sadly I'm related to a bunch of people with the very belief that "God" chooses what should happen in their lives - including the marriage to a very evil man In some ways I want to help those people, and in some ways I want to have nothign to do with them.

 

[gerryh]

The point is that despite what your beliefs, if you aren't willing to act and help your "prayers" come about, whatever god you may believe in can't help you. Miracles don't happen unless we make them happen. (Though that tends to go against the common definition of a miracle). :-?

Sadly I'm related to a bunch of people with the very belief that "God" chooses what should happen in their lives - including the marriage to a very evil man In some ways I want to help those people, and in some ways I want to have nothign to do with them.

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[Scott Free]

"When the paths traced out become too difficult, or when we see no path, we can no longer live in so urgent and difficult a world. So we try to change the world, that is, to live as if the connection between things and their potentialities were not ruled by deterministic processes, but by magic." - Jean-Paul Sartre

 

[gerryh]

maybe some do....but not all.....

 

[talloola]

Sacrificing one's children to the gods has been around the ages of humanity.
But is something that society has to deal with.

Belief in child sacrifice is not acceptable and should not be tolerated.

Peace>>>AJ

Is that what they were doing? Sacrificing their child to god, then they knew she was going
to die?, or. Did they think god was going to cure her?
They said they did not have a religious connection, they just prayed.
I'ts sad, as many children have bad parents, they come in all different types, and this is
just another one, that poor little girl, what has happened to her makes all of us feel
helpless and sad, because we didn't know ,and couldn't help her in time. I wonder what
I was doing at the moment of her death, if only I could have been there to save her, I
would have done anything, and I know all of you feel the same.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

why is it no surprise that you missed the point.

It appears I'm not the only one. Maybe it's because you didn't make it clear. In the context of that silly joke that supposedly has some relevance here, it seems perfectly obvious that if god really wanted that guy to win the lottery he could have just materialized the winning ticket in the man's pocket. That can't be any harder than having him buy a ticket and making the numbers come out right, for a being who's omnipotent.

 

[gerryh]

It appears I'm not the only one. Maybe it's because you didn't make it clear. In the context of that silly joke that supposedly has some relevance here, it seems perfectly obvious that if god really wanted that guy to win the lottery he could have just materialized the winning ticket in the man's pocket. That can't be any harder than having him buy a ticket and making the numbers come out right, for a being who's omnipotent.

Still don't get it......zooooooooooomm.... for someone that is supposedly so smart....you're pretty damn stupid.

 

[Scott Free]

Still don't get it......zooooooooooomm.... for someone that is supposedly so smart....you're pretty damn stupid.

I don't think that's the problem gerryh.

By any measure Dexter isn't lacking intelligence, however by your assessment of him, I think there is evidence one of you is indeed stupid.

 

[look3467]

Is that what they were doing? Sacrificing their child to god, then they knew she was going
to die?, or. Did they think god was going to cure her?
They said they did not have a religious connection, they just prayed.
I'ts sad, as many children have bad parents, they come in all different types, and this is
just another one, that poor little girl, what has happened to her makes all of us feel
helpless and sad, because we didn't know ,and couldn't help her in time. I wonder what
I was doing at the moment of her death, if only I could have been there to save her, I
would have done anything, and I know all of you feel the same.

They purposely didn't want their child to die, but were led to believe that God would deliver her from her illness, so based on that assumption, they sacrificed their child to that belief.

I believe in Divine healing by request rather than demand.

He gave us doctors, medicines to use, but there are times when He heals as requested from us.

If that child were mine, as like you said, I would have sought out help from the medical profession, as I would ask God to guide me through it.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Still don't get it......zooooooooooomm.... for someone that is supposedly so smart....you're pretty damn stupid.

Does it not occur to you that if people don't understand you it might have something to do with the way you express yourself? If you want to talk about something reasonably, I'll be happy to talk with you, but if the best you can do is to call me pretty damn stupid for not understanding you, I don't see any reason to take you seriously. Frankly, I think you've shown that you're a hostile, angry, dogmatic, ignorant fool. Show me I'm wrong and I'll talk to you, otherwise I'll just ignore you. And don't think your name calling can upset me, you're nobody in my life and haven't earned the right to be anything else. So far, I really don't care what you think, about anything, and until your attitude changes, I will not again respond to anything you post.

Golden opportunity: call me every insulting name you can think of, you'll get away with it, there'll be no rebuttals from me.

 

[Zzarchov]

Lets look at some concepts for those who aren't truly religious:

1.) Death is not the end but the begining:
Therefore, dying is no big deal.
2.) God has his plan and its not your job to get in the way:
Therefore, praying isn't to make your daughter better, its to hope that that is part of gods plan. If god wants your daughter dead (and thus in the afterlife) thats his business and you have to have faith its for the best.

To many very devout people (some in my family) stopping someone in your family from dying of natural causes is shameful and embarassing, showing a lack of faith in god and everlasting life. Trying to stop death from natural causes is viewed with the same eye rolling as a kid trying to stop puberty or a middle aged woman trying to stop menopause.

And this is where I get back to my earlier comment. If you are going to say everyone is entitled to their own religion you have to realize what a religion is at heart.
A vastly different way of looking at the world, down the core concepts of right and wrong, of socially acceptable and not.

 

[MikeyDB]

When you BELIEVE Karrie you don't have to think.

IT'S GODS WILL!

 

[MikeyDB]

Zzarchov

"Belief" isn't another way of looking at the world!

It is a substitute for that very thing.

 

[MikeyDB]

Everyone please remember WHO God's chosen people are....

Now see if you can form a connection between religion politics and money.

 

[Sal]

Everyone please remember WHO God's chosen people are....

Now see if you can form a connection between religion politics and money.

Many Christians are either ignorant of that concept or ignore it.

 

[Zzarchov]

Zzarchov

"Belief" isn't another way of looking at the world!

It is a substitute for that very thing.

Not at all.

I am firmly willing to admit the logic of my scientific view of the world is equally based on belief in intangibles, in assumptions.

I consider it more rational, but im not so arrogant as to forget that Im really no different. We know very little of what we "know" (aka assume).

We all pick the belief structure that makes sense to us, and go with it. To me the idea of a universally omnipotent being who's primary concern is the use of the genitals of a single species of balding ape on a tiny rock orbiting a mundane star on the far edge of one out of billions of galaxies doesn't make sense to me.

To others it does.

 

[gerryh]

Not at all.

I am firmly willing to admit the logic of my scientific view of the world is equally based on belief in intangibles, in assumptions.

I consider it more rational, but im not so arrogant as to forget that Im really no different. We know very little of what we "know" (aka assume).

We all pick the belief structure that makes sense to us, and go with it. To me the idea of a universally omnipotent being who's primary concern is the use of the genitals of a single species of balding ape on a tiny rock orbiting a mundane star on the far edge of one out of billions of galaxies doesn't make sense to me.

To others it does.

Very well said.....and how refreshing to see this being admited. Kudos.

 

[Praxius]

I wonder why the police didn't step in sooner. There is legal precedent for removing kids from these sorts of situations. Religious freedom doesn't apply to child neglect.

Edited ~ Already explained above.

 

[Praxius]

riiiiiiiiiight......... cause killing them before is so much better than after.

Sure it is... kill them before they feel anything or have to put up with the suffering in the world. Problem solved.

Aint I a stinker?