Palin in 2012

[YukonJack]

JLM, I gave 13 reasons that I thought liberals despise Sarah Palin. My opinion only, needless to say.

I have not heard from you or from any other detractors to refute any of my points. In other threads I also asked what qualifies OhBummer to be President. The only response I got was: He was elected.

The best and most intelligent of all other responses were personal attacks.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Obama is going thru on the job training right now because he never had any management experience now which should end in 2012 unless the people of the U.S. go crazy and elect him again.

If the economy is doing well in 2012, chances are very good that people will elect him again.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

JLM, I gave 13 reasons that I thought liberals despise Sarah Palin. My opinion only, needless to say.

I have not heard from you or from any other detractors to refute any of my points. In other threads I also asked what qualifies OhBummer to be President. The only response I got was: He was elected.

The best and most intelligent of all other responses were personal attacks.

There is nothing to respond to, YJ. You are simply regurgitating the extreme right wing propaganda, what you read on websites like WorldNetDaily or Drudge Report.

Besides, it is not only liberals who dislike Palin. Most of the country dislikes her, she has very low approval ratings (I think lower than 30%). So it is nonsense to say that only liberals dislike her. What would be more appropriate to say is that extreme right wing idolizes her, is in love with her.

 

[JLM]

JLM, I gave 13 reasons that I thought liberals despise Sarah Palin. My opinion only, needless to say.

I have not heard from you or from any other detractors to refute any of my points. In other threads I also asked what qualifies OhBummer to be President. The only response I got was: He was elected.

The best and most intelligent of all other responses were personal attacks.

Y.J.- There is no reason when it comes to politics. All those 13 reasons could be moot points on election day in 2012. If you check our Canadian history you will see an idiot/hippy arrived on the scene in 1968 and people were swooning over him and after that it took us 16 years to get rid of the bastard. From what I can see of Obama, he's alright, but he's still only human and what I can see of Sarah, she's alright, but nobody knows what will happen until Nov. 2012.

 

[gopher]

"Let the Left besmirch and underestimate her to their hearts' content, at their own peril."

What excuse do the delusional right wingers have for hating President Obama?

 

[ironsides]

If the economy is doing well in 2012, chances are very good that people will elect him again.

We shall see, still a lot of people unemployed, and will be then unless some sort of crash programs start appearing.

 

[Icarus27k]

News: Sarah Palin testifies in case of her hacked Yahoo email account.

The Associated Press: Sarah Palin testifies in e-mail hacking trial





Yeah. Former Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin showed that 22-year-old computer nerd. Next up: She takes on an 8th grade school bully in a knife fight.

 

[Machjo]

Palin's best interview:

YouTube - Palin On Foreign Policy

 

[Machjo]

YouTube - Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

 

[SirJosephPorter]

News: Sarah Palin testifies in case of her hacked Yahoo email account.

The Associated Press: Sarah Palin testifies in e-mail hacking trial





Yeah. Former Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin showed that 22-year-old computer nerd. Next up: She takes on an 8th grade school bully in a knife fight.

The bully just might win.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

We shall see, still a lot of people unemployed, and will be then unless some sort of crash programs start appearing.

Depends upon what happens between now and then. Economy has already started to create jobs. If the trend continues, the economy may be roaring ahead come 2012. Indeed, the economy has come a long way in just one year. Chances are unemployment will be significantly lower in 2012 compared to today.

If we get a double dip recession then of course all bets are off.

 

[ironsides]

Machjo: Maybe not the greatest hit.

Sarah Palin is back on her Facebook page (arguably the most newsworthy Facebook page of all time), this time calling out Barack Obama for reminding 47 foreign leaders that America could still turn their nations into a pile of ash 30 times over. This behavior is not hawkish enough, she argues, and threatens the health of “American exceptionalism.” 6,754 people like this post!

Sarah Palin - Facebook - foreign policy | Mediaite


I looked up the term American exceptionalism and came up with this. :smile:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I looked up the term American exceptionalism and came up with this. :smile:

You had to look it up, you didn’t already know about American exceptionalism? That is the same as Manifest Destiny. It says that US is a better country than any other, it has a special place in the history, American people are better than any other people in the world. Thus Americans are superior to Canadians, British, French etc. The Fundamentalist Christian version (as propounded by Rev. Jerry Falwell) is that God loves USA, American people more than he loves any other country or any other people.

American exceptionalism or Manifest Destiny is an extremely arrogant, obnoxious philosophy which propagates the myth of the superiority of US society and US people over other societies and other people.

 

[Machjo]

You had to look it up, you didn’t already know about American exceptionalism? That is the same as Manifest Destiny. It says that US is a better country than any other, it has a special place in the history, American people are better than any other people in the world. Thus Americans are superior to Canadians, British, French etc. The Fundamentalist Christian version (as propounded by Rev. Jerry Falwell) is that God loves USA, American people more than he loves any other country or any other people.

American exceptionalism or Manifest Destiny is an extremely arrogant, obnoxious philosophy which propagates the myth of the superiority of US society and US people over other societies and other people.

Sorry SJP, but Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism, though similar, are different concepts none-the-less. Manifest Destiny is a 19th century belief that the US was destined to expand across the entire North American continent and was used by Democrats in the 1840's to justify the war with Mexico. Manifest Destiny also died out for the most part in the 1880's. American Exceptionalism is the idea that the US holds a special niche among the nations of the world in terms of its history, credo, etc., that it's essentially morally superior, and this belief, like Manifest Destiny before it, often stems from certain mythical beliefs weaving religion, genetics, or geography together with it to argue that somehow the rules that apply to other nations do not apply to the US.

Though I admit that it's shocking that an American has never heard of these philosophies, or at least American Exceptionalism, seeing that it has permeated much of US foreign policy discourse for about the last century both among Democrats and Republicans, through most evidently among Republicans. We were taught Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism in Canadian high schools; how can an educated American never have heard of them?

 

[Machjo]

In fact, American Exceptionalism is part of the key to understanding the Spanish American War, the annexation of the Phillipines and Poerto Rico and the Panama Canal, etc. In fact, Texas and other parts of the Wesern United States woudl not even be part of the United States today if it wasn't for Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism. How can one pretend to understand the historical developpment of the US' current borders today without having ever heard of Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism. Nor can one understand how the Phillipines hadbecome a US imperial colony and adopted so many aspects of American educational and pedagogical practices without an understanding of American Exceptionalism, nor even the creation of the Panama Canal. If all this was taught in Canadian high schools of all places, how could this not have been taught in US high schools? how can an educated American never have heard of Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sorry SJP, but Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism, though similar, are different concepts none-the-less. Manifest Destiny is a 19th century belief that the US was destined to expand across the entire North American continent and was used by Democrats in the 1840's to justify the war with Mexico. Manifest Destiny also died out for the most part in the 1880's. American Exceptionalism is the idea that the US holds a special niche among the nations of the world in terms of its history, credo, etc., that it's essentially morally superior, and this belief, like Manifest Destiny before it, often stems from certain mythical beliefs weaving religion, genetics, or geography together with it to argue that somehow the rules that apply to other nations do not apply to the US.

Though I admit that it's shocking that an American has never heard of these philosophies, or at least American Exceptionalism, seeing that it has permeated much of US foreign policy discourse for about the last century both among Democrats and Republicans, through most evidently among Republicans. We were taught Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism in Canadian high schools; how can an educated American never have heard of them?

I remember in the Canada.com forum when I mentioned Manifest Destiny, one American poster came back with ‘huh?’. He had never heard of Manifest Destiny, he was convinced that I was making it up. I had to give him web links to educate him.

Afterwards several Canadian posters weighed in, saying that they had been taught about Manifest Destiny in school.

 

[ironsides]

You had to look it up, you didn’t already know about American exceptionalism? That is the same as Manifest Destiny. It says that US is a better country than any other, it has a special place in the history, American people are better than any other people in the world. Thus Americans are superior to Canadians, British, French etc. The Fundamentalist Christian version (as propounded by Rev. Jerry Falwell) is that God loves USA, American people more than he loves any other country or any other people.

American exceptionalism or Manifest Destiny is an extremely arrogant, obnoxious philosophy which propagates the myth of the superiority of US society and US people over other societies and other people.

American exceptionalism, no I never heard that term used before. As for Manifest Destiny, that is a term that ended when in the 19th century.

"Concept of U.S. territorial expansion westward to the Pacific Ocean. The phrase was coined in 1845 by the editor John L. O'Sullivan, who described the U.S. annexation of Texas and, by extension, the occupation of the rest of the continent as a divine right of the American people. The term was used to justify the U.S. annexation of Oregon, New Mexico, and California and later U.S. involvement in Alaska, Hawaii, and the Philippines." We have completed our Manifest Destiny as it was stated back in 1845. Think of it as you like, what was done, was done.


There is no comparison between American exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny, they mean two different things. If I were to worry about any policy, it would be the " The Monroe Doctrine was declared in a few paragraphs of President James Monroe's seventh annual message to Congress on December 2, 1823. Monroe warned European countries not to interfere in the Western Hemisphere, stating "that the American continents. . .are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers." The Monroe Doctrine became a cornerstone of future U.S. foreign policy".

 

[ironsides]

If all this was taught in Canadian high schools of all places, how could this not have been taught in US high schools? how can an educated American never have heard of Manifest Destiny and American Exceptionalism?

All this was taught in American High Schools, I just forgot the term "American Exceptionalism". I have no idea what they are teaching today in high schools though. I credit you with reuniting me with the term American Exceptionalism, thanks a lot.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

American exceptionalism, no I never heard that term used before. As for Manifest Destiny, that is a term that ended when in the 19th century.

"Concept of U.S. territorial expansion westward to the Pacific Ocean. The phrase was coined in 1845 by the editor John L. O'Sullivan, who described the U.S. annexation of Texas and, by extension, the occupation of the rest of the continent as a divine right of the American people. The term was used to justify the U.S. annexation of Oregon, New Mexico, and California and later U.S. involvement in Alaska, Hawaii, and the Philippines." We have completed our Manifest Destiny as it was stated back in 1845. Think of it as you like, what was done, was done.


There is no comparison between American exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny, they mean two different things. If I were to worry about any policy, it would be the " The Monroe Doctrine was declared in a few paragraphs of President James Monroe's seventh annual message to Congress on December 2, 1823. Monroe warned European countries not to interfere in the Western Hemisphere, stating "that the American continents. . .are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers." The Monroe Doctrine became a cornerstone of future U.S. foreign policy".

American exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny are two sides of the same philosophy. The philosophy says that American people are superior, everybody else in the world is inferior to Americans.

In the old days, empire building was fashionable, just about every country in Europe worth its salt had some form of empire or other. So the philosophy was expressed in terms of building an empire, which was supposed to be the Manifest Destiny of USA.

These days empire building has gone out of fashion, so nobody talks of Manifest Destiny any more. It has morphed into American exceptionalism, which still claims that Americans are superior, other countries are inferior.

This same philosophy was expressed by religious right in religious terms, that God loves USA and Americans more than he loves anybody else.

It is the same philosophy (of superiority of Americans and contempt towards non Americans), but expressed in different ways.

 

[Machjo]

Essentially it's similar to the Canadian concept of Canadian imperialism:

Imperialism - The Canadian Encyclopedia

As French Canadians began to demand more equality, it then gave way to the 'Two Founding Nations' philosophy, a convenient way to keep the First Nations out of the political arena until very recently (First Nations were given the right to vote only in 1960). A foreign manifestation of this new philosophy is our membership in the Commonwealth and the Francophonie. Though even this new philosophy is experiencing growing pains as the international community becomes increasingly sensitive to indigenous peoples.

Our current notion of Founding Peoples though still pales in comparison to American Exceptionalism in that for the most part the Two founding Peoples philosophy is really limited to within Canada's borders and mainly influences relations between French and English Canadians and their relations with the First Nations and immigrants, with any foreign influence being limited mainly to the Commonwealth and the Francophonie. American Exceptionalism very much permeates its foreign policy. even today.