Palin in 2012

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OK, she was the Governor of Alaska...that in itself represents credibility to me. Being a state Governor is a big job...like being a CEO of a big company. Lots of responsibility, decisions, and dealing with a huge variety of issues and people. And being held to account for bottom line results. I understand Alaska didn't suffer too badly under her governorship, so I'm thinking that she might have done a pretty good job of it. Again, some credibility there.

And, being a good CEO (my opinion), she was likely following a good strategy of any good CEO which is to not divulge everything you're going to do until you've done it. We don't know what she had in mind when she resigned without notice, but I'd bet it's part of a bigger plan. Which she chose not to tell the mainstream media about. Which - once again - would demonstrate a pretty good ability to think "strategically" on her part. Adn that would be a very good strength in a future President of the USA.

Just my opinion, of course. ;-)
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If she did such a good job as Gov, I wonder why it was that Alaskans took her resignation with nary a peep of protest, and probably (my opinion) huge sighs of relief. She may have put Alaska on the map for many Americans in the lower 48, but were I an Alaskan, I would surely not be applauding the way she did so.
 
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Not presuming to answer for SirJP, JLM but maybe the resemblance is in the fact that Palin was 'burned on the cross' by the media who took great delight in focusing on all the flaky things she kept saying. You think??? :lol:
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As good of a response as he is likely to come up with.........I think:lol::lol:
 
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In a way, I do hope she becomes the president. Can you imagine the fun we will have in this forum ridiculing and making fun of her? What happened to Bush will pale by comparison.

For satire, sarcasm, parody, comedy, she will be a much better fodder than Obama ever will be. USA will become the laughing stock of the world, once again (as it was during Bush times).
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Speaking of lack of substance, and in spite of the fact that I like to have fun, I also like to try and learn things from people in this forum. Sometimes one has to weed through a lot of "stuff" to get there, but I try...

May I suggest a correction to the above statement on "laughing stock..." - that could be adjusted to more accurately saying ..."the laughing stock of many talking heads of the mainstream media world."

Personally, I find it hard to represent the views of the entire world with any degree of validity...it's a big place out there!
 
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countryboy said:
Time will tell...
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Indeed it will, it is too early to say anything about 2012 (for that matter, it is too early to say anything about 2010). But that is how it looks as of now. Unless Joan of Arc improves significantly between now and 2012, I don't think much of her chances in 2012.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
That is easy, countryboy. A follower may follow a political leader, but he looks at the leader critically. When he does not agree with the leader, he is not afraid to say so. If there is repeated disagreement with the leader, the follower may even stop being a follower.

A worshipper of course thinks that his God or Goddess can do no wrong. Thus, after her interviews with Couric, a follower would have urged Palin to improve her interviewing style, to better prepare for public interviews etc. He would have pointed out to her that it is important for her to be able to hold her own at public interviews in order to gain more following in the nation. While he may still continue supporting her he would have urged her to improve her interviewing skills.


A worshiper simply blamed Couric for the fiasco, and claimed that Palin did not do anything wrong, that her performance in the interviews was perfect.
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Here! Here! SirJP. You rock, Sir. :smile:
 
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Mowich said:
If she did such a good job as Gov, I wonder why it was that Alaskans took her resignation with nary a peep of protest, and probably (my opinion) huge sighs of relief. She may have put Alaska on the map for many Americans in the lower 48, but were I an Alaskan, I would surely not be applauding the way she did so.
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Ah, but assumptions are dangerous things. Do we know how the majority of Alaskans took her resignation with a huge sigh of relief? I certainly don't. :lol:

I would offer this: Her resignation was done in a decisive manner, without "consulting" the media for an opinion beforehand. Again, an indication of a good decision-making ability, which of course, is another qualification for becoming President. ;-)
 
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countryboy said:
Speaking of lack of substance, and in spite of the fact that I like to have fun, I also like to try and learn things from people in this forum. Sometimes one has to weed through a lot of "stuff" to get there, but I try...

May I suggest a correction to the above statement on "laughing stock..." - that could be adjusted to more accurately saying ..."the laughing stock of many talking heads of the mainstream media world."

Personally, I find it hard to represent the views of the entire world with any degree of validity...it's a big place out there!
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OK, laughing stock of the world was an exaggeration, I admit. Make it laughing stock of a large part of the world, like was the case when Bush was the President.

No doubt Bush was admired in some places, but he was ridiculed and mocked in most of the world. If Palin ever become the president, I think she will suffer the same fate.
 
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countryboy said:
OK, she was the Governor of Alaska...that in itself represents credibility to me. Being a state Governor is a big job...like being a CEO of a big company. Lots of responsibility, decisions, and dealing with a huge variety of issues and people. And being held to account for bottom line results. I understand Alaska didn't suffer too badly under her governorship, so I'm thinking that she might have done a pretty good job of it. Again, some credibility there.

And, being a good CEO (my opinion), she was likely following a good strategy of any good CEO which is to not divulge everything you're going to do until you've done it. We don't know what she had in mind when she resigned without notice, but I'd bet it's part of a bigger plan. Which she chose not to tell the mainstream media about. Which - once again - would demonstrate a pretty good ability to think "strategically" on her part. Adn that would be a very good strength in a future President of the USA.

Just my opinion, of course. ;-)
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Here Countryboy, I'm going to have to disagree slightly, based on my own prejudgices. Big Arnold is Gov. of California, and he's never been able to inspire one lick of confidence in me as to political ability................ability to break heads, absolutely........................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
Indeed it will, it is too early to say anything about 2012 (for that matter, it is too early to say anything about 2010). But that is how it looks as of now. Unless Joan of Arc improves significantly between now and 2012, I don't think much of her chances in 2012.
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No one, but no one was able to get through to her during the run-up to the election, SirJP. Since that time she has resigned as Gov, and (gee what an original idea) written a book, neither of which has seemed to improve her verbal skills one bit. Belonging as she does to the Christian right, and with her god on her side, she simply doesn't believe that she needs any improvement.

But then, that's just my opinion. ;-)
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
That is easy, countryboy. A follower may follow a political leader, but he looks at the leader critically. When he does not agree with the leader, he is not afraid to say so. If there is repeated disagreement with the leader, the follower may even stop being a follower.

A worshipper of course thinks that his God or Goddess can do no wrong. Thus, after her interviews with Couric, a follower would have urged Palin to improve her interviewing style, to better prepare for public interviews etc. He would have pointed out to her that it is important for her to be able to hold her own at public interviews in order to gain more following in the nation. While he may still continue supporting her he would have urged her to improve her interviewing skills.

A worshiper simply blamed Couric for the fiasco, and claimed that Palin did not do anything wrong, that her performance in the interviews was perfect.
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Alright! I understand and agree with your first paragraph completely.

And, for the rest of the explanation, I can see now that all Sara needs to do is lose a few worshippers and pay more attention to the followers. Simple enough. And, she's probably already figured that out sooo...White House, here we come in 2012!

Thanks for that, SirJP! Every little bit helps!
 
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JLM said:
Maybe, if we get a chance to find out it won't be for three years which is a hell of a long time in politics, during which time she could get a little fine tuning.
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Oh, I quite agree. It is quite possible that she may surprise all of us, become a skilled, erudite, consummate politician between now and 2012 and win the nomination and presidency in 2012.

It cannot be ruled out, three years is a long time in policies. Personally I don’t see that happening. Her acolytes are hoping that she will be another Reagan. In my opinion, she will be another Goldwater.
 
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Here Countryboy, I'm going to have to disagree slightly, based on my own prejudgices. Big Arnold is Gov. of California, and he's never been able to inspire one lick of confidence in me as to political ability................ability to break heads, absolutely........................:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Point taken! And besides, he's not nearly as attractive as Sara. So there you go, there is an exception to every rule...
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
Quite so. But her followers, her worshippers have a lot in common with the followers, the worshippers of Joan of Arc.
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You keep bringing up worshippers, I'm getting very confused about how you handle politics in Canada or where ever you were raised. The last President we had that you could have possibly used the word worship was Ronald Reagan, and that was because he was a movie star and bought that charisma with him into the White House. Sarah Palin is just another politician, though cute, not one with a major following at this time. She or her followers in no way resemble what Joan of Arc stood for. Only thing she has now is a point of reference for the Republican party which is in need of any help it can get at the moment.
 
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Sarah Palin is just another politician, though cute, not one with a major following at this time. She or her followers in no way resemble what Joan of Arc stood for. Only thing she has now is a point of reference for the Republican party which is in need of any help it can get at the moment.
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Here I disagree with you, ironsides. Palin has a major following, about 30% Americans support her, think she will make a good president. And they don’t simply support her, they are wildly enthusiastic about her, in their eyes, she can do no wrong. In that 30% of the electorate she generates Reagan like emotion, perhaps inspires even stronger loyalty than Reagan ever did.

That constitutes a major following, it may well be enough to win her the nomination (since that 30% will be voting in the Republican primaries). General election of course is a different matter.
 
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