Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
And, you know what? Nature won't care.
Reverend Blair said:
And, you know what? Nature won't care.
P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligations
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Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Karlin said:
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Karlin said:
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Karlin said:
I agree with your whole post. The question is how? How do we convince our politicians to stand up for Canada? How do we get them to stop brownnosing south of the border? The disconnect between our government and the Canadian people keeps getting bigger. How do we turn that around?
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
All of Canada was covered in ice as much as two miles thick as little as 12 thousand years ago. Of course the globe is warming. As for who the polluters are, I've heard that Canada is the worst in the world per capita.
Blaming others for ignoring Kyoto and running on about another Bush conspiracy is a cop out. The world won't be saved by some pseudo-contract negotiated in a place best remebered for it's barbecue sauce :wink: . Only the people in the street can save the world from pollution. Until we stop buying over pakaged products, car pool to work, walk to the grocery store, bike to school etc.etc. nothing will change. WE are responsible.
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let's see.
But that’s not right - oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
Supertramp
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Just the Facts said:
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Just the Facts said:
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Just the Facts said:
Oh yeah, and how could I forget the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's
I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.
I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's
I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.
I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's
I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.
I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Glad to see you mentioned SUV's
I have had more hypocrites tell me all about the enviroment and drive off in one...Like a fat person telling you how you should eat.I agree with you the revolution has to start with yourself, and it will be the people on the streets that change things, just like it always has been. I have no doubt they will be both canadian and american. People are waking up to what is going on around them, I have no time for george bush really, I see lots more sinister things going on that rival him. Why would a company that made agent orange go around trying to buy all the seed companies in the world? You don't only have to use "weapons" to control the world. I would think anyone who had control over the food on this planet might have the trump card.
I can't do anything about this stuff, but I still have the power to take the time not to buy their products, and it is time consuming to examine everything you are going to buy. But than again you spend alot more time at the supermarket and you meet very interesting people in the supermarket
I live in the city, but I try to walk to ride a bike most of the time. I only try to use my car if I am going out of town. There is another reward, you actually feel better mentally and physically when you walk or ride a bike.
If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
RE: P.M. Martin - letting
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
RE: P.M. Martin - letting
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
RE: P.M. Martin - letting
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
Monsanto gives massively to the Bush campaign, Peapod. They are repaid with aid for trade deals requiring that US GM crops be allowed into developing nations.
There's the problem right there. It's not a conspiracy, it's open, above the table bribery.
It's nice that we use our cars as little as possible and all that, but the truth is that things aren't going to change without legislation and government money for infrastructure.
Most Canadian cities have very poor public transit. That requires government money for LRTs and buses.
Most Canadian cities are extremly unfriendly to cyclists and pedestrians. That requires government money for bike and walking paths.
Most rural roads are unfriendly to non-4 wheel drives. They didn't used to be, but they are now. My father tried for several years not to buy a 4x4, but he had to in the end. Maintenance budgets have been cut to the core.
Automobiles are our worst source of pollution. We've designed our whole society around them. The auto manufacturers have a long history of not doing anything until they are forced to. They screamed that seatbelts would bankrupt them, cried for a decade about the cost of catalytic convertors, and have fought CAFE legislation every step of the way. Unless somebody passes a law telling them to build cleaner cars or the CEO is going to prison, they won't do it.
Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
quotes:[peapod , Just the Facts]
"If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Until we stop buying [... ] . WE are responsible.
Oh yeah the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties."
Thanks for those replies.
I had an SUV. I admit it.
It was a conundrum for me, because it was GIVEN to me. I hated them though. It would be so disrespectfull to give it back, and I was poor, so I figured if I drove it instead of someone else, it would do less harm, by not using it much and keeping it tuned up, drive it slowly, esp. uphill.
Hmmm. Sounds like a load eh?
Anyways, I did drive it for a year, and finally sold it. It is likely doing more harm now, but I just couldn't take it anymore, I really felt like crap when I was in it. I did. Peapod would too.
The luxury meant for rich people, Elitism bothered me too. Badly, since I was poor.
Interestingly, I got more parking tickets, was hit on for change a lot more, and was a target of vandalism, but not in my little Pony I have now. I was poor, as I said, and not usually subject to the tortures of the wealthy. Awwww, but they really do get it from all sides. They feel it, they know the world is at their door, and if it gets worse, they will knock it down..
This sytem isn't great for a lot of people. Equality is a big part of freedom too. I think it would be better to reign in industry and give the workers more of the pie. Of course. We all do, almost.
You said WE are responsible, and I want to hope so. There sure is a lot we could do. I stopped buying a lot of things as a protest. I know it wont make any difference unless a lot more people were doing it, but I decided "for my personal kharma", my conscience, I would be the greenest I could be.
Buying NEW vehicles is where the buck has to stop. Thats how I decided I could feel okay about my SUV experience I suppose!
But there are still so many people buying those planet killers, it feels hopeless sometimes. If they just didn't buy a new vehicle until it was a responsible one, I bet there would be lots of alternative fuel cars on the market in two years.
right now, All the electric cars and Hydrogen cars are back ordered - they could sell them; they are not making them fast enough. They don't intend to, it really IS a conspiracy, both automakers and oilmen are just doing too well to let it go. Oil is the currency of the Elites and BushCO, their empires might weaken if it were any other way.
Government wont regulate the auto-makers, although this sure looks like an area where government SHOULD get in the way. Public health, climate change, and personal choice are all areas of government purvue,and the vehicles are a major factor for those problems.
...because government is "run" by industry. From candidate nominations to the committees where things get done, industry has "their men in every position". Its true, they are everywhere. To Wit: McKenna is an industry man going to cozy up to the Americans ; and that BC MP, Frank McKenna [thanks Reverend!]who quickly made minister under Paul Martin, PM, and Efford who we mentioned earlier.
So WE have more to do than change our habits. We have a TON of work to do to change the way government is chosen. At this point, we usually throw up our hands. Public willingness will be shown by Canadians electing another type of government first, and I would think that is the NDP. They are likely the same, in similiar traps, but it is a signal for change, and THEY could change the way government is chosen.
Thats my hope for now. Other times, I am hopeless anymore. Its almost to late to do anything about Global Warming, the "cascade effects" are allready starting. But thats another topic [ask me].
Karlin
quotes:[peapod , Just the Facts]
"If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Until we stop buying [... ] . WE are responsible.
Oh yeah the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties."
Thanks for those replies.
I had an SUV. I admit it.
It was a conundrum for me, because it was GIVEN to me. I hated them though. It would be so disrespectfull to give it back, and I was poor, so I figured if I drove it instead of someone else, it would do less harm, by not using it much and keeping it tuned up, drive it slowly, esp. uphill.
Hmmm. Sounds like a load eh?
Anyways, I did drive it for a year, and finally sold it. It is likely doing more harm now, but I just couldn't take it anymore, I really felt like crap when I was in it. I did. Peapod would too.
The luxury meant for rich people, Elitism bothered me too. Badly, since I was poor.
Interestingly, I got more parking tickets, was hit on for change a lot more, and was a target of vandalism, but not in my little Pony I have now. I was poor, as I said, and not usually subject to the tortures of the wealthy. Awwww, but they really do get it from all sides. They feel it, they know the world is at their door, and if it gets worse, they will knock it down..
This sytem isn't great for a lot of people. Equality is a big part of freedom too. I think it would be better to reign in industry and give the workers more of the pie. Of course. We all do, almost.
You said WE are responsible, and I want to hope so. There sure is a lot we could do. I stopped buying a lot of things as a protest. I know it wont make any difference unless a lot more people were doing it, but I decided "for my personal kharma", my conscience, I would be the greenest I could be.
Buying NEW vehicles is where the buck has to stop. Thats how I decided I could feel okay about my SUV experience I suppose!
But there are still so many people buying those planet killers, it feels hopeless sometimes. If they just didn't buy a new vehicle until it was a responsible one, I bet there would be lots of alternative fuel cars on the market in two years.
right now, All the electric cars and Hydrogen cars are back ordered - they could sell them; they are not making them fast enough. They don't intend to, it really IS a conspiracy, both automakers and oilmen are just doing too well to let it go. Oil is the currency of the Elites and BushCO, their empires might weaken if it were any other way.
Government wont regulate the auto-makers, although this sure looks like an area where government SHOULD get in the way. Public health, climate change, and personal choice are all areas of government purvue,and the vehicles are a major factor for those problems.
...because government is "run" by industry. From candidate nominations to the committees where things get done, industry has "their men in every position". Its true, they are everywhere. To Wit: McKenna is an industry man going to cozy up to the Americans ; and that BC MP, Frank McKenna [thanks Reverend!]who quickly made minister under Paul Martin, PM, and Efford who we mentioned earlier.
So WE have more to do than change our habits. We have a TON of work to do to change the way government is chosen. At this point, we usually throw up our hands. Public willingness will be shown by Canadians electing another type of government first, and I would think that is the NDP. They are likely the same, in similiar traps, but it is a signal for change, and THEY could change the way government is chosen.
Thats my hope for now. Other times, I am hopeless anymore. Its almost to late to do anything about Global Warming, the "cascade effects" are allready starting. But thats another topic [ask me].
Karlin