Re: P.M. Martin - letting big polluters off Kyoto obligation
quotes:[peapod , Just the Facts]
"If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Until we stop buying [... ] . WE are responsible.
Oh yeah the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties."
Thanks for those replies.
I had an SUV. I admit it.
It was a conundrum for me, because it was GIVEN to me. I hated them though. It would be so disrespectfull to give it back, and I was poor, so I figured if I drove it instead of someone else, it would do less harm, by not using it much and keeping it tuned up, drive it slowly, esp. uphill.
Hmmm. Sounds like a load eh?
Anyways, I did drive it for a year, and finally sold it. It is likely doing more harm now, but I just couldn't take it anymore, I really felt like crap when I was in it. I did. Peapod would too.
The luxury meant for rich people, Elitism bothered me too. Badly, since I was poor.
Interestingly, I got more parking tickets, was hit on for change a lot more, and was a target of vandalism, but not in my little Pony I have now. I was poor, as I said, and not usually subject to the tortures of the wealthy. Awwww, but they really do get it from all sides. They feel it, they know the world is at their door, and if it gets worse, they will knock it down..
This sytem isn't great for a lot of people. Equality is a big part of freedom too. I think it would be better to reign in industry and give the workers more of the pie. Of course. We all do, almost.
You said WE are responsible, and I want to hope so. There sure is a lot we could do. I stopped buying a lot of things as a protest. I know it wont make any difference unless a lot more people were doing it, but I decided "for my personal kharma", my conscience, I would be the greenest I could be.
Buying NEW vehicles is where the buck has to stop. Thats how I decided I could feel okay about my SUV experience I suppose!
But there are still so many people buying those planet killers, it feels hopeless sometimes. If they just didn't buy a new vehicle until it was a responsible one, I bet there would be lots of alternative fuel cars on the market in two years.
right now, All the electric cars and Hydrogen cars are back ordered - they could sell them; they are not making them fast enough. They don't intend to, it really IS a conspiracy, both automakers and oilmen are just doing too well to let it go. Oil is the currency of the Elites and BushCO, their empires might weaken if it were any other way.
Government wont regulate the auto-makers, although this sure looks like an area where government SHOULD get in the way. Public health, climate change, and personal choice are all areas of government purvue,and the vehicles are a major factor for those problems.
...because government is "run" by industry. From candidate nominations to the committees where things get done, industry has "their men in every position". Its true, they are everywhere. To Wit: McKenna is an industry man going to cozy up to the Americans ; and that BC MP, Frank McKenna [thanks Reverend!]who quickly made minister under Paul Martin, PM, and Efford who we mentioned earlier.
So WE have more to do than change our habits. We have a TON of work to do to change the way government is chosen. At this point, we usually throw up our hands. Public willingness will be shown by Canadians electing another type of government first, and I would think that is the NDP. They are likely the same, in similiar traps, but it is a signal for change, and THEY could change the way government is chosen.
Thats my hope for now. Other times, I am hopeless anymore. Its almost to late to do anything about Global Warming, the "cascade effects" are allready starting. But thats another topic [ask me].
Karlin
quotes:[peapod , Just the Facts]
"If electric cars were ready available, I would buy one.
Until we stop buying [... ] . WE are responsible.
Oh yeah the diabolical SUV. Singularly the worst thing to happen to the environment since the muscle cars of the sixties."
Thanks for those replies.
I had an SUV. I admit it.
It was a conundrum for me, because it was GIVEN to me. I hated them though. It would be so disrespectfull to give it back, and I was poor, so I figured if I drove it instead of someone else, it would do less harm, by not using it much and keeping it tuned up, drive it slowly, esp. uphill.
Hmmm. Sounds like a load eh?
Anyways, I did drive it for a year, and finally sold it. It is likely doing more harm now, but I just couldn't take it anymore, I really felt like crap when I was in it. I did. Peapod would too.
The luxury meant for rich people, Elitism bothered me too. Badly, since I was poor.
Interestingly, I got more parking tickets, was hit on for change a lot more, and was a target of vandalism, but not in my little Pony I have now. I was poor, as I said, and not usually subject to the tortures of the wealthy. Awwww, but they really do get it from all sides. They feel it, they know the world is at their door, and if it gets worse, they will knock it down..
This sytem isn't great for a lot of people. Equality is a big part of freedom too. I think it would be better to reign in industry and give the workers more of the pie. Of course. We all do, almost.
You said WE are responsible, and I want to hope so. There sure is a lot we could do. I stopped buying a lot of things as a protest. I know it wont make any difference unless a lot more people were doing it, but I decided "for my personal kharma", my conscience, I would be the greenest I could be.
Buying NEW vehicles is where the buck has to stop. Thats how I decided I could feel okay about my SUV experience I suppose!
But there are still so many people buying those planet killers, it feels hopeless sometimes. If they just didn't buy a new vehicle until it was a responsible one, I bet there would be lots of alternative fuel cars on the market in two years.
right now, All the electric cars and Hydrogen cars are back ordered - they could sell them; they are not making them fast enough. They don't intend to, it really IS a conspiracy, both automakers and oilmen are just doing too well to let it go. Oil is the currency of the Elites and BushCO, their empires might weaken if it were any other way.
Government wont regulate the auto-makers, although this sure looks like an area where government SHOULD get in the way. Public health, climate change, and personal choice are all areas of government purvue,and the vehicles are a major factor for those problems.
...because government is "run" by industry. From candidate nominations to the committees where things get done, industry has "their men in every position". Its true, they are everywhere. To Wit: McKenna is an industry man going to cozy up to the Americans ; and that BC MP, Frank McKenna [thanks Reverend!]who quickly made minister under Paul Martin, PM, and Efford who we mentioned earlier.
So WE have more to do than change our habits. We have a TON of work to do to change the way government is chosen. At this point, we usually throw up our hands. Public willingness will be shown by Canadians electing another type of government first, and I would think that is the NDP. They are likely the same, in similiar traps, but it is a signal for change, and THEY could change the way government is chosen.
Thats my hope for now. Other times, I am hopeless anymore. Its almost to late to do anything about Global Warming, the "cascade effects" are allready starting. But thats another topic [ask me].
Karlin
