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PoliticalNick

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Je suis très contente pour Jack Layton et le NPD! Ils vont être plus forts contre les conservateurs et ainsi mieux défendre les intérêts du Québec à Ottawa. Pour une ancienne Bloquiste, c'est important puisque je n'ai pas encore renoncer à l'indépendance du Québec. C'est un rêve qui m'est cher et je pense que je ne suis pas la seule!
Bon courage au NPD

In english please....

Do you see any other posts in french on here?
 

PoliticalNick

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Instead of over-reaching your powers here why don't you simply use google translate, like I did?

I am not going to waste my time translating. If someone wants to post in french I will just ignore it.

I will however apologize if it seemed like I was demanding they post in english or had any authority over the site. Sorry.
 

Machjo

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I read French-language media on a regular basis and can tell you that sovereigntism is alive and well in Quebec. In fact one NDP MP, the 19-year old, made a little faux pas when he'd commented that sovereignty ought to be faught over in Quebec, not Ottawa.

Don't be surprised. There likely are or have been sovereigntist MPs in all parties, possibly even the CPC! It's just that they're smart enough to keep their mouths shut about it.

Also, the sovereignty question is by no means an intergenerational one, as there is just as much diversity of opinion on the subject (federalist centralist, federalist decentralist, sovereignty-associationist, and 'independentistes', among others) among the young as among the old. However, many Quebecers have in fact concluded taht it's a debate to be fought over in Quebec city and not Ottawa. It's merely a change of philosophical approach to federal politics.

Also, while jobs and wealth creation are important to Quebecers, the cultural debate and the Constitution are always there. Ignatieff learnt that the hard way when he'd concluded that people wre not interested in the constitution because they weren't talking about it. WRONG! They are interested in it. Sure jobs take priority, but they're still very much interested in it, and it was an insult to them for Iggy to brush it off like that.

To take a comparison, imagine saying that First Nations aren't interested in Treaty obligations because they're talking more about jobs. The reality is that sometimes an issue that a people has held to heart for a long time but doesn't seem to be moving along in gets put on the backburner so as to deal with more pressing issues of immediate concern. That does not mean the backburner issue is less important. Often it's far more important but is put on the backburner for strictly pragmatic reasons. Anyone who minimizes its importance will get his hands burned like Iggy did on the constitutional question.

Another example might be on the abortion issue. Many pro-lifers won't discuss the topic often and focus on other topics instead. Again, it doesn't mean it's not an important topic for them; they're putting it on the backburner strictly on pragmatic grounds. Applying Bill 101 to federal agencies in Quebec is another issue Layton understood the importance of. Even many Quebec federalists support it.
 

cranky

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When I was young, I used to have a tshirt that said 'don't blame me, i am from Quebec' I wasn't but i still wore it. :)
 

Unforgiven

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Je suis très contente pour Jack Layton et le NPD! Ils vont être plus forts contre les conservateurs et ainsi mieux défendre les intérêts du Québec à Ottawa. Pour une ancienne Bloquiste, c'est important puisque je n'ai pas encore renoncer à l'indépendance du Québec. C'est un rêve qui m'est cher et je pense que je ne suis pas la seule!
Bon courage au NPD

They will be but, alas, with a majority the government doesn't have the leash and collar around it's neck that it should at this point. Jack will help in Quebec I think and some of the issues that have been neglected with the focus on sovereignty over the last decade can get some much needed attention. Perhaps Quebec is only a foreshadow of things to come as our country, much like North America as a whole begins to polarize and like minds consider their fortunes going solo some time in the future. Like Europe in the way it now has sovereignty of each state while acting collectively as an economic coalition.

If you can write in English, I will be able to understand what you mean better. Bienvenue!
 

cranky

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They will be but, alas, with a majority the government doesn't have the leash and collar around it's neck that it should at this point. Jack will help in Quebec I think and some of the issues that have been neglected with the focus on sovereignty over the last decade can get some much needed attention. Perhaps Quebec is only a foreshadow of things to come as our country, much like North America as a whole begins to polarize and like minds consider their fortunes going solo some time in the future. Like Europe in the way it now has sovereignty of each state while acting collectively as an economic coalition.

If you can write in English, I will be able to understand what you mean better. Bienvenue!

English comes from French. :)
 

petros

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English is a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic invaders from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the Netherlands. Initially, Old English was a diverse group of dialects, reflecting the varied origins of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England. One of these dialects, Late West Saxon, eventually came to dominate.
The original Old English language was then influenced by two further waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman and ultimately developed an English variety of this called Anglo-Norman. These two invasions caused English to become "mixed" to some degree.
Cohabitation with the Scandinavians resulted in a significant grammatical simplification and lexical enrichment of the Anglo-Frisian core of English; the later Norman occupation led to the grafting onto that Germanic core of a more elaborate layer of words from the Romance languages (Latin-based languages). This Norman influence entered English largely through the courts and government. Thus, English developed into a "borrowing" language of great flexibility, resulting in an enormous and varied vocabulary.
 

cranky

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Petro, I read that too, but I also read this:


A great number of words of French origin have entered the English language to the extent that many Latin words have come to the English language. Most of the French vocabulary now appearing in English was imported over the centuries following the Norman Conquest of 1066, when England came under the administration of Norman-speaking peoples.
According to different sources, around 30% of all English words have a French origin. This fact suggests that 80,000 words should appear in this list.
Many non-Latin Germanic words have also entered English from the Germanic element in French (see also French words of Germanic origin). Since English is of Germanic origin, via the influences apparent in modern Dutch (or Frisian languages), ascertaining whether a given Germanic word is definitely from French can be difficult in a few cases.

The Norman conquest was a pivotal event in English history. It largely removed the native ruling class, replacing it with a foreign, French-speaking monarchy, aristocracy, and clerical hierarchy. This, in turn, brought about a transformation of the English language and the culture of England in a new era often referred to as Norman England.

Yup.... From the Romans

thanks

The Romans in Britain
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Quebec is a great Province, filled with culture, music, beautiful women, artists galore and Montreal is a wonderful city. I do not care for the Parte Quebecois or the Bloc because I know that they do not truly want to separate from Canada, but use the threat as leverage in extracting money from Ottawa. Something they have been very good at, by the way. The NDP gains in Quebec may be a signal that the people of Quebec are tired of the hypocritical nonsense the Bloc agenda offered.

Will the NDP survive a second term with big numbers in Quebec? I wouldn't bank on it, but I wouldn't hedge my bets against it either.

It's put up or shut up for the NDP.

As well for the Conservatives.
 
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PoliticalNick

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Quebec is a great Province, filled with culture, music, beautiful women, artists galore and Montreal is a wonderful city. I do not care for the Parte Quebecois or the Bloc because I know that they do not truly want to separate from Canada, but use the threat as leverage in extracting money from Ottawa. Something they have been very good at, ny the way. The NDP gains in Quebec may be a signal that the people of Quebec are tired of the hypocritical nonsense the Bloc agenda offered.

Will the NDP survive a second term with big number in Quebec? I wouldn't bank on it, but I wouldn't hedge my bets against it either.

It's put up or shut up for the NDP.

As well for the Conservatives.

One of the things on my bucket list is the Quebec Winter Carnival.