Ontario Tories would halt full-day kindergarten, cut thousands of jobs

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Tories would halt full-day kindergarten, cut thousands of jobs

OTTAWA — Ontario’s Progressive Conservative party wants to halt the rollout of full-day kindergarten, increase class sizes, cut 10,000 support staff positions, introduce standardized testing for Grade 8 students to measure their scientific knowledge, and build new schools faster in burgeoning suburbs.

The ambitious plan for the province’s publicly-funded school system is laid out in a new white paper, which was released Thursday in Toronto by party leader Tim Hudak.

The 25-page Paths to Prosperity: Preparing Students for the Challenges of the 21st Century is the party’s boldest statement yet on public education, a file the Tories have largely shied away from since the disastrous 2007 provincial election, which former leader John Tory lost after suggesting he would extend public funding to Ontario’s faith-based schools.

“Education is the lynchpin of progress,” Hudak writes in his introduction to the new plan.

But the idea of saving millions by putting the brakes on full-day kindergarten — a popular initiative that is currently partway through a five-year rollout — already has the Tories on the defensive.

“The problem is we have no money,” PC education critic Lisa MacLeod told the Citizen in an interview.

“We won’t abandon it — those schools with it will continue to have it — but the full rollout won’t occur under our government until the merits of the program are there.”

That’s in stark contrast with the party’s position during the 2011 election campaign, when the party said in its platform that “it would be a mistake to disrupt its implementation” and pledged to make the program fully operational for all four- and five-year-olds by 2014, which is the current plan under the Liberals.

Tories would halt full-day kindergarten, cut thousands of jobs
 

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Even though I disagree with the move, it is in line with the principle of conservative politics - which is cut, cut, cut.
 

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Even though I disagree with the move, it is in line with the principle of conservative politics - which is cut, cut, cut.

I happen to agree with a program of "cut, cut, cut", where what is being cut can't be paid for without borrowing. Having said that, I think, like with the home budget, priorities have to be rearranged, starting with "needs" at the top, "wants" in the middle and "waste" at the bottom. A good start might be "axing" a few bureaucrats!-:)
 

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We can't afford it, and it is like free babysitting. There's nothing to argue about. The gravy train isn't running any more. Pay for your own child care. Sucks but yeah, that's reality.
 

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Full-Day Kindergarten Is a
Sound Educational Investment


Recent research has demonstrated that funds invested in
quality early education programs produce powerful returns
on investment.




Viewing half-day kindergarten as a vehicle for saving money
is shortsighted. In recent years, a number of researchers have
begun doing economic analyses of early childhood education
programs. Th ey are fi nding that investments in quality early
childhood programs generate returns of 3-to-1 or even higher—
that’s at least $3 for every $1 invested.


Robert Lynch, a researcher who has extensively studied this
issue, points out, “Even economists who are particularly
skeptical about government programs make an exception for
high-quality early childhood development programs.”
By helping to develop students’ academic abilities, and by
improving their social and emotional skills, eff ective early
childhood programs can lower grade retention and dropout rates.





 

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Because there is a seven to one return on early childhood investments?

http://childcarecanada.org/documents/research-policy-practice/11/12/breaking-cycle-ontarios-poverty-reduction-strategy-2011-ann

Like I said, newby conservatives only look at cost cutting instead of revenue generation.

The 7:1 return figure is based entirely on intangibles and broad-based assumptions, furthermore, the 'return' isn't realized for 10 or 20 years.

That money, could the province actually afford it, would be better spent on projects that got people working and a start to healing their economy on basis of developing organic growth... Put more money in the pockets of folks and the affordability factor goes way up.

FYI here for ya: Gvt isn't the end-all-be-all for dealing with every solitary issue facing individuals.
 

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The 7:1 return figure is based entirely on intangibles and broad-based assumptions, furthermore, the 'return' isn't realized for 10 or 20 years.

That money, could the province actually afford it, would be better spent on projects that got people working and a start to healing their economy on basis of developing organic growth... Put more money in the pockets of folks and the affordability factor goes way up.

FYI here for ya: Gvt isn't the end-all-be-all for dealing with every solitary issue facing individuals.

Short sighted view along with the assumption that I think government should deal with every issue.
 

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Short sighted view along with the assumption that I think government should deal with every issue.


Spare me please... You don't think that there will be massive spin-offs over the long term from developing a strong, internally driven and growing economy?

It's too bad that you skew your perspective so greatly. If you were to apply the very same logic and principles to those activities that you refuse to support, you'd observe that there are better alternatives to achieving the goals that you seek... Instead, your entire focus is on vilifying a political party at the expense of an entire society's long term health
 

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Suckers!!!!


This is how Cons fund ESL and make it look like it's not Social spending on immigrants.
 

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Spare me please... You don't think that there will be massive spin-offs over the long term from developing a strong, internally driven and growing economy?

Of course.

It's those reasons you've stated which show exactly why this is a good investment.
 

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Alright then, next question: Do you believe that it is in the best interests of the province to realize returns earlier, ongoing returns or later ongoing returns (in terms of years)?
Without the extra hours for ESL the kids are screwed and so are the parents that learn from their kids. ;)
 

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Alright then, next question: Do you believe that it is in the best interests of the province to realize returns earlier, ongoing returns or later ongoing returns (in terms of years)?

If those returns are greater and have a longer lasting impact then obviously yes.

You don't know much about business do you?
 

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Because there is a seven to one return on early childhood investments?

http://childcarecanada.org/documents/research-policy-practice/11/12/breaking-cycle-ontarios-poverty-reduction-strategy-2011-ann

Like I said, newby conservatives only look at cost cutting instead of revenue generation.
Such crap. What else could we expect from a study commissioned by Childcare Canada.

A child is always better off staying at home with a parent unless it's a single parent and even then it's usually better.