Ontario a Have Not?

[Musicman]

Re: RE: Ontario a Have Not?

Why do you in other provinces feel the need to run down Alberta?

Maybe it is Alberta's attitude. Especially Kleins.

Even if you have lots of oil, oil goes up and down and will not stay this high forever. If Alberta never had all that oil Blue, they would not be acting like they are now.

Well, gee, I am sure Albertans are really sorry they did not stay poor so the rest of Canada could look down their nose at them. You all act like The Little Red Hen, Alberta works hard and gets something, and you all think you should have a share, even though Alberta shares hugely with the rest of the country.

And if you want to blame anybody for Albertas attitude, blame Chretien and Lalonde, who, I hear is back in the saddle again. Their NEP killed the province, and Albertans have long memories.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Actually, no.

Actually, yes. Ottawa sets trade law. Ottawa deals with foreign governments. Don't like it? Too fecking bad.

Maybe if Ottawa and the rest of the provinces quit wasting the money, there would not be so much concern.

More spoiled, childish whining from Alberta. :roll:

I sincerely hope you are right, that other provinces catch up, then the transfer payments will not be necessary, and the money can be spent in Alberta where it will do much more good than it does now by sending it to Ottawa.

I'm right. Your problem is that you expect it to happen overnight and are wholly unwilling to help it happen. Of course you are also too poorly schooled in history or reality to understand that Alberta's oil industry was built on federal subsidies that we all paid for and continues to be subsidised through tax breaks and other forms of corporate welfare. I guess these latest tantrums are just another example of your self-centred immaturity.

As above. And it is not whining, it is simply wanting some accountability or input into how the money is used.

You get that every single time you go to the polls. You have more representation per capita than Ontario does. You pay less money into the federal pot than Ontaio does. You are over-represented, not under-represented. Maybe if you would field some candidates that weren't bigotted assholes, sombody would listen to you.

We go after Alberta because of the way you act. I've been listening to the childish whining from your province for a very long time, Blue. I'm fecking tired of it. You want to sit out there and dictate how the country should be run and everytime somebody points out that you do not have that right you threaten to take your bat and ball and go home to Amerika. You are even worse than the Quebec separtists because at least they are trying to separate because of their ideals. Your main reason for wanting to separate is greed, your second reason is religious bigotry masquerading as "values". Worse than that, you are so god damned caught up in yourselves that you think greed and bigotry is equal to some sort of culture.

 

[no1important]

Well, gee, I am sure Albertans are really sorry they did not stay poor so the rest of Canada could look down their nose at them. You all act like The Little Red Hen, Alberta works hard and gets something, and you all think you should have a share, even though Alberta shares hugely with the rest of the country.

Its nothing you did. The oil was there. You never put it there. Basically you lucked out.

Your main reason for wanting to separate is greed

You hit the nail on the head there, Rev.

 

[Musicman]

Actually, no.

Actually, yes. Ottawa sets trade law. Ottawa deals with foreign governments. Don't like it? Too fecking bad.

Maybe if Ottawa and the rest of the provinces quit wasting the money, there would not be so much concern.

More spoiled, childish whining from Alberta. :roll:

I sincerely hope you are right, that other provinces catch up, then the transfer payments will not be necessary, and the money can be spent in Alberta where it will do much more good than it does now by sending it to Ottawa.

I'm right. Your problem is that you expect it to happen overnight and are wholly unwilling to help it happen. Of course you are also too poorly schooled in history or reality to understand that Alberta's oil industry was built on federal subsidies that we all paid for and continues to be subsidised through tax breaks and other forms of corporate welfare. I guess these latest tantrums are just another example of your self-centred immaturity.

As above. And it is not whining, it is simply wanting some accountability or input into how the money is used.

You get that every single time you go to the polls. You have more representation per capita than Ontario does. You pay less money into the federal pot than Ontaio does. You are over-represented, not under-represented. Maybe if you would field some candidates that weren't bigotted assholes, sombody would listen to you.

We go after Alberta because of the way you act. I've been listening to the childish whining from your province for a very long time, Blue. I'm fecking tired of it. You want to sit out there and dictate how the country should be run and everytime somebody points out that you do not have that right you threaten to take your bat and ball and go home to Amerika. You are even worse than the Quebec separtists because at least they are trying to separate because of their ideals. Your main reason for wanting to separate is greed, your second reason is religious bigotry masquerading as "values". Worse than that, you are so god damned caught up in yourselves that you think greed and bigotry is equal to some sort of culture.

What utter foolishness. If you are so tired of Alberta, quit listening! Except then you would actually have to focus on what is wrong with the rest of Canada, and your own province, where they also have received federal monies over the years, but have squandered it on useless and expensive programs that this country cannot afford any longer. It is envy, pure and simple, that drives your attitude towards Alberta, so get over youselves. There is no "religous bigotry" in Alberta, and to claim otherwise is a stupid lie. That is like saying that Winnipeg is a severly racist town given all the recent articles in the news recently about natives getting abused in that fair town. Of course there are extremes in every province.

And tell me how we have more representation that Ontario? That is the biggest piece of misinforation masquerading as garbage that has been on here. Under represented my ass. The Maritimes have more representation per capita than Alberta does.

What is really happening is the financial power base in the country is shifting west, and people in Central Canada and the Elitist Left are terrified of this and will stop at nothing to try and stop it, including outright slander and lies. Trouble is, the West is all grown up now, and doesn't really need the rest of Canada to survive. The recent poll by Western Standard where the young are very interested in exploring separation should be a warning sign, but then you would have to have your head out of your ass to see the warning signs coming. Let us know when you wipe your eyes out so you can see clearly. Until then, stay in your own little socialist cocoon where everyone sings Kumbaya, and your petty little envy of Alberta is your sole focus in life. Sure don't see other States in the United States whining about the wealth of Texas, do you? Take a lesson, they learned it a long time ago.

Long live Blue

 

[Reverend Blair]

It is envy, pure and simple, that drives your attitude towards Alberta, so get over youselves.

Bullshit. It is Alberta's wish to dictate to the rest of the country and their whining when the rest of the country does not agree.

There is no "religous bigotry" in Alberta,

Bullshit. There's plenty and your premier's opposition to SSM, along with the vehement and vindictive lies told by members of the federal Conservatives show that very clearly.

That is like saying that Winnipeg is a severly racist town given all the recent articles in the news recently about natives getting abused in that fair town.

In a lot of ways it is, especially when it comes to our police force and business community. Our latest mayor isn't exactly a paragon of equality either. I've complained about that on here and elsewhere before, Blue.

And tell me how we have more representation that Ontario?

You have far more MPs per capita than Ontario does. Ontario also pays far more into the rest of Canada than Alberta does.

The Maritimes have more representation per capita than Alberta does.

So why are you bitching about Ontario and the leftists then? The Maritimes is notorious for electing Liberals, even when they are as far right as Martin, and Conservatives. Generation after generation votes the same way their parents did. Not exactly a hotbed of leftism.

What is really happening is the financial power base in the country is shifting west, and people in Central Canada and the Elitist Left are terrified of this and will stop at nothing to try and stop it, including outright slander and lies.

Do they even have newspapers where you come from? Southern Ontario is the economic base of Canada, due largely to its history and its proximity to the US indutrial heartland. Your oil does nothing to change that.

Trouble is, the West is all grown up now, and doesn't really need the rest of Canada to survive.

Except for Alberta, the west is all grown up now. The other western provinces have become politically and culturally diverse while Alberta sticks with the same tired old liars and clings to the cowboy mythology. The really funny thing is that there are more and more progressives in Alberta, especially since the cities are growing, but the political boundaries tend to rob them of a voice. If you want to complain about the democratic deficit, why don't you lobby your provincial government to have your legislature reflect the popular vote?

The recent poll by Western Standard where the young are very interested in exploring separation should be a warning sign, but then you would have to have your head out of your ass to see the warning signs coming.

An overt push poll by a right wing paper and the best they could manage was "exploring separation"?

I suggest you take the time to learn a little about politics and how it works, Blue.

 

[mrmom2]

Musicman said It is envy, pure and simple, that drives your attitude towards Alberta, so get over youselves.

Ahh yea right Envy Alberta Bwahhahahahahaha that freaking waste land are yea alright 8O Edmonton not the asshole of the world but ya can see it from there . Alberts is plain fuggly sorry Musicman :lol: :lol:

 

[Musicman]

As you have so often pointed out, Ontario has more population than Alberta, so it does pay more gross to Canada than Alberta. BUT, on a per capita basis, Albertans pay far more than any other Canadians do into Canada.

If you took the time to read the details of the poll conducted by Western Standard, you would also know that it was a randomly conducted poll, and polls by the U of L's Faron Ellis confirm this poll, and he is not affiliated with anything but the U of L.

The rest of Canada had no problem raping Alberta back in the 80's, so if Alberta has learned its lesson from that humiliation, and diversified its income a great deal, and also implemented sound political philosophies that have given Alberta its current status, too bad for you. It is odd that the rest of Canada which loves to spend money cannot see that prudent fiscal policies, put in place before oil went through the roof, have given Alberta the only area in Canada that is debt free and has the lowest tax rates of any kind in Canada, and has no sales tax. Now that oil has skyrocketed the last year, now people all of a sudden have a huge problem. Suck it up, princesses, you raped Alberta once, ain't gonna happen again. I suspect Alberta will start to spend their money on road infrastructure, high speed raillines, city infrastructure to accomodate all those coming to Alberta from the rest of the country to share in the prosperity, and cutting taxes or, God forbid, following the Alaska lead and providing some sort of dividend payments to Albertans.

Like some one else said, instead of being jealous of Alberta, either follow their lead, or come and share with Alberta. There is lots of room and lots of jobs. Who knows, you might even have the opportunity to spout your nonsense in Alberta and see how far you get with it. Albertans will listen, and then tell you to wake up and smell the coffee. And then, ignore you, as your philosophy is so out of touch with reality.

Alberta, the new economic engine of the country formerly known as Canada.

Long live Blue!

 

[Musicman]

Musicman said It is envy, pure and simple, that drives your attitude towards Alberta, so get over youselves.

Ahh yea right Envy Alberta Bwahhahahahahaha that freaking waste land are yea alright 8O Edmonton not the asshole of the world but ya can see it from there . Alberts is plain fuggly sorry Musicman :lol: :lol:

So stay away. Fine with Albertans, I suspect. Most people disagree totally with you though. :wink:

 

[mrmom2]

Yea i know that why most of your province spends their summer vacations here :roll: The beauty of your province must be to much for them

 

[no1important]

Don't forget winter vacations too. The Ski Slopes of the Kootney's are full of Albertans in the winter. I am sure Sun Peaks has their fair share of Albertans as well.

 

[Musicman]

Yea i know that why most of your province spends their summer vacations here :roll: The beauty of your province must be to much for them

So explain to me why the SE corner of BC would like to very much be part of Alberta? I know many people from there, I work with a lot of people who came from there, and they say that many would like to become part of Alberta. Funny, they all go to either the U of L, or U of C, shop in Lethbridge and Calgary, and use the hospitals in Calgary and Lethbridge too. Maybe they are already part of Alberta.

And don't forget, vacationing in a place is a lot different than living in a place. Anyone who does vacation in BC always is glad to get home because BC is so expensive to do anthing in. :roll: Besides, I thought you wanted Albertans to share their wealth, so quit whining, okay? Albertan money being spent in BC, that is sharing at its best! :wink:

 

[mrmom2]

You should see the dumb feckers in the mountains sledding 8O A large group of them think you can just go anywhere you want and nothing will happen 8O Everytime you hear an avalanche report in BC check out where they came from 9 times out of 10 there from Alberta the other times there from the states :?

 

[Musicman]

Re: RE: Ontario a Have Not?

Well, gee, I am sure Albertans are really sorry they did not stay poor so the rest of Canada could look down their nose at them. You all act like The Little Red Hen, Alberta works hard and gets something, and you all think you should have a share, even though Alberta shares hugely with the rest of the country.

Its nothing you did. The oil was there. You never put it there. Basically you lucked out.

The only lucky thing is that Albertans developed the oil patch instead of the federal government. No luck in getting it developed though, just a massive amount of hard work and research and development.

Your main reason for wanting to separate is greed

No it is not. It is simply that Albertans worked very hard, and took many cuts, to get to the status they have now, and have a real problem with other people thinking they know better how to spend Alberta money, when they are unwilling to do the necessary hard things to get to the same place as Alberta. Remember, the price of oil was in the twenties, I believe, when Klein took over, so this recent spike in prices has nothing to do with the efforts of Albertans in the nineties. When everyone else wants to make the tough decisions to get to where Alberta is, then a reasonable discussion can take place. But no, it seems that everyone wants to keep on spending because, gee, Alberta has money so we can get theirs. Even Ontario has finally realized the truth in that. Every word out of Ontario about equalization could have been made by an Albertan, so why not the complaints about Ontario? Oh yeah, they vote Liberal and NDP.

You hit the nail on the head there, Rev.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Repatriate oil by creating national industry

Sounds like a good idea to me... 8)

 

[Musicman]

Repatriate oil by creating national industry

Sounds like a good idea to me... 8)

It'll never happen, Vanni Fucci, guaranteed. Simply because you think it is a good idea makes it a bad idea. This is not a communist country, it is free enterprise, at least in places. You want communism, there are plenty of countries for you to go to. Try one, say, North Korea? Cuba? Russia?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Repatriate oil by creating national industry

Sounds like a good idea to me... 8)

It'll never happen, Vanni Fucci, guaranteed. Simply because you think it is a good idea makes it a bad idea. This is not a communist country, it is free enterprise, at least in places. You want communism, there are plenty of countries for you to go to. Try one, say, North Korea? Cuba? Russia?

How about Venezuela?

If Canadians think they can save a dime or two per litre at the pumps, it will happen, whether you want it to or not... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[no1important]

Me too.

The oil companies make us pay world price for the privledge of allowing them to extract it and make big profits for their shareholders. The federal government should (and needs to ) take control of it.

Sell us the resource for a proper price and use the money from it to develope environmental friendly vehicles, fuel sources, wind power, solar power, better energy effeciently run appliances etc.

 

[Musicman]

Re: RE: Ontario a Have Not?

Me too.

The oil companies make us pay world price for the privledge of allowing them to extract it and make big profits for their shareholders. The federal government should (and needs to ) take control of it.

Sell us the resource for a proper price and use the money from it to develope environmental friendly vehicles, fuel sources, wind power, solar power, better energy effeciently run appliances etc.

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roll: :roll: :roll:

You guys have a real weird sense of humour. You want to turn over another billion dollar industry to a bunch of crooks and liars who cannot discern the difference between a $2million and $2billion dollar gun registry? Give your heads a shake.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

The closest Canada has come to such a measure was in 1980, when Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau implemented the New Energy Program amid the 1980s oil crisis.

By heavily taxing oil exports, that initiative was aimed to increase the use of domestic oil, curbing the price of gas at the pump.

It was cancelled four years later, after Alberta's premier challenged it in court.

Asked yesterday whether he thought a nationalization program would create a similar backlash in Alberta, Lauzon simply responded: "I don't give a damn about what Albertans think."

Too funny... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Ontario a Have Not?

You guys have a real weird sense of humour. You want to turn over another billion dollar industry to a bunch of crooks and liars who cannot discern the difference between a $2million and $2billion dollar gun registry? Give your heads a shake.

Don't worry blue, an NDP government would manage the industry just fine... :lol: :lol: