Omar Khadr- Release him now

[Slim Chance]

You want to compare the numbers of women and children blown up, shot, raped and mutilated by US soldiers? These people have payed hell for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for soldiers who are trained to kill. Khadr was just a kid who had just had his family and friends blown to hell. He threw a grenade in retaliation. Kinda a like trowing a rock at a tank, but, he deserves to be treated like a criminal. Gi' yer hed a sake!

Got a link re: the # of women and children blown up, shot, raped and mutilated by US soldiers?

While we're on the topic, there are all kinds of recorded instances of women (more like little girls) being raped, forced into marriage or getting acid rubbed their faces for the heinous crime of attending school by the "just and wise" society that Khadr was fsupporting.

That is what Khadr was defending in this nation to which he has no direct ties.

I find it extraordinary that you have no sympathy for soldiers that are trained to kill but have sympathy for Khadr. He was trained as a "soldier" and he saw himself as some kind of fighter as well.

Khadr isn't an Afghan and (to my knowledge) has no family in that nation, he traveled to that nation specifically to kill infidels.

 

[Praxius]

This isn't about the contents of a typical American home... It's about what Omar Khadr was doing there.

In terms of your scenario, here's the catch... Khadr isn't an Afghan.

The only possible double standard here is that Khadr is looking to get as much lattitude from as many different sides as possible in order to justify his actions.

The only thing I see is yeah, he wasn't an Afghan citizen.... but let's also not forget that his father carted his butt over there and there's no logical way for him to get his own passport, pay for his own flight and get to where he was, in the situation he was in, if he did it all on his own free will and by himself.

He was a minor when this all happened, and not even counting the questionable evidence used against him, he's still classified as a Child Soldier, therefore no matter what outcome there is, there is no way the US can find him guilty for the charges against him and there's no way he can be sent to prison for the rest of his life.

Because even if he's not protected by US laws because he's not a US citizen, he's still protected by international law and human rights and if the US wishes to waive those protections when they see fit and not follow them.... then expect other countries in the world to treat US citizens in a similar manner.

They'd have no place to complain afterall.

 

[EagleSmack]

If there were no foreign tanks there would be no need for anti-tank mines and yes, they are defending their homes and country against collateral damage and "friendly" fire. We have no business being there.

Oh Canadians are defending Afghanistan? That's Omars homeland? I must have misread something.

 

[EagleSmack]

While we're on the topic, there are all kinds of recorded instances of women (more like little girls) being raped, forced into marriage or getting acid rubbed their faces for the heinous crime of attending school by the "just and wise" society that Khadr was fsupporting.

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Yes but they are Afghans and Islamic so we must be sensitive to their culture of violence.

 

[EagleSmack]

Indeed he is.... but if you were keeping up to the discussion, he was "Captured" in Afghanistan..... the image in question with him holding up the Q and the AK in the background was part of a video he was in, that was found in Afghanistan and there is no identification of when or where that video was taken, who's house that was, or even if that was his AK in the background.

See what I mean?

I'm pretty sure at his age when that was taken he couldn't afford his own house, AK or anything for that matter and reports claim the house shown in the video was of the house he was captured in.

Poor little guy he is.

If you were implying the image was taken while he was in Canada and they had an AK in the house, you'd be mistaken.

Not at all. I think we both know where it was taken and under what circumstances.

You're the nation with all the guns, you tell me.

That was a quick and easy way out.

I've been keeping my emotions out of this debate on purpose.... you continually saying I'm based around emotions will not eventually make it true.

Sometimes I want to get him a girlfriend and set him up with a job just to piss them off"

...or something to that affect.

Don't forget, I'm not the one in this debate trying to side track off into Iraq or other un-related things.

Nor am I.

I want him sent home to Canada just to see the welcome he gets.

 

[Slim Chance]

The only thing I see is yeah, he wasn't an Afghan citizen.... but let's also not forget that his father carted his butt over there and there's no logical way for him to get his own passport, pay for his own flight and get to where he was, in the situation he was in, if he did it all on his own free will and by himself.

He appeared pretty excited about being there and getting his chance to kill infidels in the videos he appeared in. It's a real stretch to believe that he was forced on a plane against his will in Canada and flown to a combat zone to "fight or else".

As far as his being "forced", baby Omar had an older brother in Canada that didn't want in the family business - Omar knew that here was an alternative.

He was a minor when this all happened, and not even counting the questionable evidence used against him, he's still classified as a Child Soldier, therefore no matter what outcome there is, there is no way the US can find him guilty for the charges against him and there's no way he can be sent to prison for the rest of his life.

He's an adult in Afghanistan...

He is not a "child" soldier as he was not even a soldier by recognized standards (ie uniformed).

Yes, the US can find him guilty if they want. In my mind, the little sh*t should be shipped back to Afghanistan and be imprisoned there and tried by their laws.. After all, he was in Afghanistan to defend that country, right?... Do you think that Omar would accept that opportunity?

Because even if he's not protected by US laws because he's not a US citizen, he's still protected by international law and human rights and if the US wishes to waive those protections when they see fit and not follow them.... then expect other countries in the world to treat US citizens in a similar manner.

They'd have no place to complain afterall.

The easy way around the international laws is to send him back to Afghanistan and let that culture bury him up to the neck and stone him to death or tear him limb from limb.

As far as how the US is treated in the Middle East - as I mentioned to cliffy, they get beheaded live on the internet, dragged alive through the streets behind cars and humiliated on live internet feeds.

I think that you should rephrase your final statement to something to the effect that you're happy that the Americans don't treat the Muslim community in the same manner that they are treated.

 

[EagleSmack]

I think that you should rephrase your final statement to something to the effect that you're happy that the Americans don't treat the Muslim community in the same manner that they are treated.

LOL. Fat chance.

As soon as the first picture of GITMO came out with the prisoners restrained and blindfolded guys like Cliffy screamed

"TORTURE"

...yet they all stayed silent to video after video of American after American getting his head sawed off with a knife as they were kicked to the words of "Allah Akbar"

What a way to leave this world.

 

[Slim Chance]

Amazing, isn't it?.. Drag a US soldier to death through the streets and maybe, just maybe, you get a "tsk, tsk"; but deny a terrorist his beauty-sleep - instant parliamentary/congressional committee to investigate.

 

[JLM]

Do you think that he was hunting gophers with his AK 47?

It doesn't matter what I think. If I was 15 years old in a hostile land I'd be packing any weapon I could lay my hands on for protection.

 

[gerryh]

It matters not what anybody thinks concerning Kahdr's guilt or innocence. Under International Law and U.N. mandate, Kadhr is classified as a child soldier. With or without a uniform. As such he can not be tried for sweet piss all. What IS required by international law is that he be repatriated ASAP with proper councilling and help.

 

[JLM]

It matters not what anybody thinks concerning Kahdr's guilt or innocence. Under International Law and U.N. mandate, Kadhr is classified as a child soldier. With or without a uniform. As such he can not be tried for sweet piss all. What IS required by international law is that he be repatriated ASAP with proper councilling and help.

Right on Gerry.

 

[Slim Chance]

It doesn't matter what I think. If I was 15 years old in a hostile land I'd be packing any weapon I could lay my hands on for protection.

Regina's a bloody dangerous place too... I suppose that if he gets relocated there upon the dear wee little lamb's return, we'll understand if he arms himself with an AK... You know, for protection and all.

 

[Slim Chance]

It matters not what anybody thinks concerning Kahdr's guilt or innocence. Under International Law and U.N. mandate, Kadhr is classified as a child soldier. With or without a uniform. As such he can not be tried for sweet piss all. What IS required by international law is that he be repatriated ASAP with proper councilling and help.

UN/ International law doesn't look at terrorists as recognized combatants.

 

[JLM]

Regina's a bloody dangerous place too... I suppose that if he gets relocated there upon the dear wee little lamb's return, we'll understand if he arms himself with an AK... You know, for protection and all.

Would you feel the same about being in Regina as you would about being in Afghanistan?

 

[Slim Chance]

No, but then again, a destination is chosen for a reason. Khadr chose to go to the boondocks in Afghanistan for his own reasons and I think that it's fair to say that his reasons required his being heavily armed.

 

[pegger]

I would just be happy if they actually tried him....

 

[Slim Chance]

It'll be interesting to see if he's actually tried and under what circumstances (ie military, youth, etc)

 

[gerryh]

I would just be happy if they actually tried him....

Even if he wasn't a minor....they can't try him on the original charges. All the eye witnesses have recanted their original story where they pointed the finger at the kid...... the unarmed one they shot twice in the back.

 

[CDNBear]

Wonder what Canadian law says about a Canadian fighting for another country/organization against itself and or allies?

Our go'vt doesn't have the stomach to alienate an entire Islamic community, and try him for treason.

Good thing they're not in law enforcement.

Good thing you aren't, considering you haven't a clue what laws pertain to combat and the handling thereof, of prisoners, or under what sections they fall, under certain circumstances.

Maybe he was.

:roll:

Show me the evidence.... and if your only evidence are those old photos of him supposedly making IED's or that other picture of him sitting on a couch with an AK in the background.... you'll need to do a hell of a lot better then that.

I've already posted history. I have no need to debate reality with the likes of someone whose mind is stone, on the issue.

Sure.... if you could prove he was actually involved in an armed conflict.

:lol:, Ya only innocent people hang out in insurgent strongholds. Or has left his family and proceeded to further educate himself along side militants.

Yes, it's entirely his own fault.... he got his own passport around the age of 14-15, he bought his own ticket to fly over with his own money, he unquestionably grabbed arms and took the fight to the Americans all on his own. :roll:

See, you don't know anything about his activities in the Middle East. Thanx for proving your position lacks crediblity.

I'm sure it's also safe to say he was leading the terrorists the Americans were fighting and they all took orders from him.... in fact, it's not Bin Laden leading the terrorists, it's this Super War Child.... Allah reborn.

Cripes almighty.

Quite.

Actually, I changed my mind....I used to defend the Americans keeping him......then

I read Ismael Bael

I read the Fifth Amendment

I saw an interview with his defense lawyer

And I did a 180 degree turn.

Sadly.

 

[Praxius]

....Sometimes I want to get him a girlfriend and set him up with a job just to piss them off"

...or something to that affect.

Ok let me put this into perspective then.... I said that most who oppose any view other then their own that Omar should be locked away for the rest of his life or executed tend to use the comment "Fine, take him back, give him his hero parade and welcome him home with open arms, etc." ~ In order to lay in some sort of guilt trip that we're somehow promoting terrorism or to otherwise take what is being said out of context just to piss people off.

Then you came in here and said exactly what I claimed would be said, and said it to someone's post in a way to try and piss them off, because what they said had nothing to do with your suggestion, nor did they imply they think he's a hero.

So in return and out of spite, I fed you exactly what you seemed to be wanting, I took your bait and I in turn gave you a rubber boot.

If you want to come into the debate with baseless claims of parades and everybody here wanting him to be some sort of hero like a troll seeking to piss people off.... then I will in turn give you the same trollish response that maybe I will give him a parade and give him a big sash with "Hero" on it..... then maybe you'll get pissed off over such an equally ignorant comment, or finally see how pointless it is and simply give it up.

But instead, you try and put the blame on me for something you started.

If you think my above semi-quote you made was made in truth, then you obviously weren't keeping up.