Oldest known human ancestor rewrites evolution theories

[Blackleaf]

That's not a prehistoric ancestor of humans. That's a Millwall fan. After a match, they are only able to communicate using grunts and tend to drag their knuckles along the floor, especially after a bad result. The bones and teeth that were found are the remains of a fan who couldn't quite get over Millwall's 3-0 defeat to Manchester United in the 2004 FA Cup Final. Either that or the remains really ARE hundreds of thousands of years old, and date back to the time that Millwall last won a major trophy.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

According to some God put it all together 6000 years ago.

Well yes, but you claimed that you never said that. So exactly what do you believe?

 

[In Between Man]

Well yes, but you claimed that you never said that. So exactly what do you believe?

That wasn't me you were quoting there SJP.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No, it wasn't, but you did claim you didn't say that. The question still stands, for you.

 

[In Between Man]

Once humans developed intelligence, the evolution froze up completely, Goober (except for extinction of species). An intelligent species is not going to let any other species progress beyond animal level. Humans changed habitat, limited number of animals through hunting (e.g. it is generally considered that they wren instrumental in making the woolly mammoth extinct in USA, and they are well on their way to making the elephant extinct all over the world).

Once one species develops intelligence, most of the evolution comes to an abrupt end.

This is hilarious. I wonder if Dex PM's you and tells you to be quiet. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Who am I kidding, your department has been making up this whole charade since day one.

Are you the most well informed person on the planet SJP?

And I would also like to know if Dawkins would agree with your seemingly made on the spot hypothesis.

And I would also like to know if you honestly think your fooling anybody. Evolution "froze up completely"? Can you please explain your theory, oops I'm sorry, the "fact" of what's guiding this process that it felt so inclined to "stop" at us humans?

PATHETIC!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I wonder if Dex PM's you and tells you to be quiet.

No, I do not, and would not.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And I would also like to know if you honestly think your fooling anybody. Evolution "froze up completely"? Can you please explain your theory, oops I'm sorry, the "fact" of what's guiding this process that it felt so inclined to "stop" at us humans?

That is simple, alley. Animal species try to adopt, try to change according to the changes in the environment, that is show evolution takes place. An intelligent species tries to adopt the environment to suits its purposes. The species changes the environment; the environment does not change the species.

And those changes can be quite abrupt, not spread over millions of years, so the species do not have the time to evolve. As a result, when intelligence comes on the scene, evolution comes to an abrupt stop.

Another way intelligent species changes the environment is that it severely limits the population of bigger mammals, through hunting, loss of habitat etc. Most the big mammals are in trouble today, their population is shrinking. There is no way any evolution can take place under such conditions.

That does not mean that evolution cannot proceed in a minor way. It can still proceed in smaller animals such as insects, some of the birds, especially in isolated surroundings such as an island in the pacific.

Indeed, they have found an interesting evolution among African elephants. Both males and females have tusks (in Asian elephant, only males have tusks). But as a result of extensive poaching, they have found that these days there are very few females with tusks.

But these are minor variants (and it may be more the case of poachers killing off all the females with tusks rather than evolution in action). But major evolutionary step? Forget it. When intelligence makes an appearance, evolution ends.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The Species (all of them, including us...) are constantly changing (mutating).
The changes that are beneficial to the species may be passed on to future
generations, and those that aren't beneficial are eventually weeded out.

Your example of Tusk-less Elephants not being poached and living to breed,
is a example of what I've mentioned above. Here's another good one that
shows nature quickly adapting around us and our intelligence:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/jim/pap/malletgensoc03.pdf

 

[Ron in Regina]

Another way intelligent species changes the environment is that it severely limits the population of bigger mammals, through hunting, loss of habitat etc. Most the big mammals are in trouble today, their population is shrinking. There is no way any evolution can take place under such conditions.

That does not mean that evolution cannot proceed in a minor way. It can still proceed in smaller animals such as insects, some of the birds, especially in isolated surroundings such as an island in the pacific.

Look at wild Dogs 10,000 years ago, and that thing that Paris Hilton carts around
in her purse. What the heck happened there? A 200lb Critter to a 4lb toy is a pretty
major evolutionary change.

 

[AnnaG]

Dolphins Killing for Fun?

It's a puzzle alright. What's that have to do with anything?

I don't find you unintelligent, but irrational, at times yes...

Sometimes it seems that you take the position of advocatus diaboli just for the sake of debate...which would be fine if you consigned yourself to inevitably looking foolish at times, but it seems you don't cope well with that...

irrational...:-?

Quite.

 

[AnnaG]

Once humans developed intelligence, the evolution froze up completely, Goober (except for extinction of species). An intelligent species is not going to let any other species progress beyond animal level. Humans changed habitat, limited number of animals through hunting (e.g. it is generally considered that they wren instrumental in making the woolly mammoth extinct in USA, and they are well on their way to making the elephant extinct all over the world).

Once one species develops intelligence, most of the evolution comes to an abrupt end.

roflmao
Obviously you haven't read anything intelligent or anything about the human brain for a long time. This is from 2005 - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050909221043.htm

 

[AnnaG]

Quite so, Cliffy. Hindus don’t have any problem with evolution; they readily accept it as a valid scientific theory (in fact, Hindu mythology ways that earth is millions of years old). I am not sure what position Islam takes. But mainline Christianity has no problem with evolution. Neither does the Catholic Church.

It is only Fundamentalist Christians (and a few extreme Catholics) who have problem with evolution. Unfortunately, they are quite strong in USA, and they are forever trying to limit the teaching of evolution and promote treating of creation.

As to absolute truths, I agree that there aren’t any in religion, but there may be a few in sciences.

Now you assume you can speak for Hindus? Hindus have a wide variety of views:
Hindu views on evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AnnaG]

That's not a prehistoric ancestor of humans. That's a Millwall fan. After a match, they are only able to communicate using grunts and tend to drag their knuckles along the floor, especially after a bad result. The bones and teeth that were found are the remains of a fan who couldn't quite get over Millwall's 3-0 defeat to Manchester United in the 2004 FA Cup Final. Either that or the remains really ARE hundreds of thousands of years old, and date back to the time that Millwall last won a major trophy.

lmao

 

[AnnaG]

Well yes, but you claimed that you never said that. So exactly what do you believe?

I get it, one nickname looks like any other to you, right? Sort of like all "blacks" look alike? Jambo mentioned it so you ASSume Jambo and Alley are 1 and the same? lmao

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Look at wild Dogs 10,000 years ago, and that thing that Paris Hilton carts around
in her purse. What the heck happened there? A 200lb Critter to a 4lb toy is a pretty
major evolutionary change.

Ron, wasn't that done with selective breeding? That would hardly be called evolution. We have managed to come up with different subspecies of animals (cats, dogs etc.), vegetables (apples, tomatoes, grapes etc.) by selective breeding. That is different from evolution, which is naturally occurring.

 

[AnnaG]

This is hilarious. I wonder if Dex PM's you and tells you to be quiet. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Who am I kidding, your department has been making up this whole charade since day one.

Are you the most well informed person on the planet SJP?

And I would also like to know if Dawkins would agree with your seemingly made on the spot hypothesis.

And I would also like to know if you honestly think your fooling anybody. Evolution "froze up completely"? Can you please explain your theory, oops I'm sorry, the "fact" of what's guiding this process that it felt so inclined to "stop" at us humans?

PATHETIC!

Humans have nowhere near finished evolving. Sir Joe is a living example of the need for more. You are right, pathetic is an appropriate adjective.

 

[AnnaG]

And I would also like to know if you honestly think your fooling anybody. Evolution "froze up completely"? Can you please explain your theory, oops I'm sorry, the "fact" of what's guiding this process that it felt so inclined to "stop" at us humans?

That is simple, alley. Animal species try to adopt, try to change according to the changes in the environment, that is show evolution takes place. An intelligent species tries to adopt the environment to suits its purposes. The species changes the environment; the environment does not change the species.

And those changes can be quite abrupt, not spread over millions of years, so the species do not have the time to evolve. As a result, when intelligence comes on the scene, evolution comes to an abrupt stop.

Another way intelligent species changes the environment is that it severely limits the population of bigger mammals, through hunting, loss of habitat etc. Most the big mammals are in trouble today, their population is shrinking. There is no way any evolution can take place under such conditions.

That does not mean that evolution cannot proceed in a minor way. It can still proceed in smaller animals such as insects, some of the birds, especially in isolated surroundings such as an island in the pacific.

Indeed, they have found an interesting evolution among African elephants. Both males and females have tusks (in Asian elephant, only males have tusks). But as a result of extensive poaching, they have found that these days there are very few females with tusks.

But these are minor variants (and it may be more the case of poachers killing off all the females with tusks rather than evolution in action). But major evolutionary step? Forget it. When intelligence makes an appearance, evolution ends.

When fools make ASSumptions like that, intelligence ends.

 

[lone wolf]

Ron, wasn't that done with selective breeding? That would hardly be called evolution. We have managed to come up with different subspecies of animals (cats, dogs etc.), vegetables (apples, tomatoes, grapes etc.) by selective breeding. That is different from evolution, which is naturally occurring.

Anything to be contrary. Selective breeding is controlled evolution.

 

[AnnaG]

Look at wild Dogs 10,000 years ago, and that thing that Paris Hilton carts around
in her purse. What the heck happened there? A 200lb Critter to a 4lb toy is a pretty
major evolutionary change.

lol Those aren't real dogs, Ron, they have batteries and complex circuitry somewhere inside. Sort of like Terminator toys.

 

[AnnaG]

Ron, wasn't that done with selective breeding? That would hardly be called evolution. We have managed to come up with different subspecies of animals (cats, dogs etc.), vegetables (apples, tomatoes, grapes etc.) by selective breeding. That is different from evolution, which is naturally occurring.

Evolution is the mutation that develops from pressures. Or as Princeton U. puts it, "the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species or taxonomic group of organisms ". You can force change by introducing or controlling those pressures. I do it all the time in my garden with my roses.