Oil sands crude not as ‘dirty’ as many think, journal Nature says, urging Keystone ok

[petros]

Environmentalists don't care whether the oil is cleaner than stated the message
is already out there and they will just keep driving the message home until the
rest of the people don't care either. I on the other hand don't want Asians getting
our oil and I don't want it going South either. Send it east/west and keep the bulk
of it for Canadians. We owe the world nothing and crude is going to be one of
three commodities Oil Water and Food and we have enough for us and if the rest
want it the conditions and money for it should go way up

What is worth more? Oil for fuel or oil for petro-chemicals?

In the upgrading process all the water soluble goodies are stripped from our heavy oil and other "fractional" products that are released from heating during upgrading.

The "synthetic" product sent down the pipe only has value as fuel and very little value for petro-chems.

That is were the "value added" benefits that you keep wanting are, sitting In what we already took from the oil.

There is no money in gasoline and diesel as a finished product.

You are already getting what you wanted from "value added".

BTW, what do you have against Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Europe and Oz that you don't want them to have our "fuel" grade oil or the country we bought called China?

 

[damngrumpy]

First of all my complaint is not so much with the trade issue as it is with shipping raw
material. Process everything before we ship it to anyone. Secondly I don't agree with
supplying Asian countries with energy or raw materials. We need to redevelop our
industrial base and use the products we have to create jobs for Canadians and Americans
for that matter.
What do I have against Asians countries? Nothing really I am ticked with the sell out
businesses that shipped the jobs over there, but we can always use legislation to get
the message out we have had enough. Can't be done? Governments especially America
has been very successful with embargo's when they tell business they can't go there it
has teeth.
We should not be in the business of supplying cheap energy to anyone but ourselves.
Domestic energy prices should not be that much below value but at a lower cost just the
same. I am also against free trade deals they drive down our standard of living over all.

One other comment is the oils sands is not the worst thing that can happen and there are
new technologies coming on stream constantly. They should employ the most environmentally
friends process and use it as a standard method of operations. That is unless there is
a circumstance that requires an alternative and that should be regulated

 

[petros]

First of all my complaint is not so much with the trade issue as it is with shipping raw
material. Process everything before we ship it to anyone. Secondly I don't agree with
supplying Asian countries with energy or raw materials. We need to redevelop our
industrial base and use the products we have to create jobs for Canadians and Americans
for that matter.

They aren't getting "raw" material. I just explained that.

One other comment is the oils sands is not the worst thing that can happen and there are
new technologies coming on stream constantly. They should employ the most environmentally
friends process and use it as a standard method of operations. That is unless there is
a circumstance that requires an alternative and that should be regulated

Being "green" makes them more money. Having minerals blow away in the wind costs money. Those minerals are the true "value added" dollars.

As for the down wind issues there aren't any. Nature already took care of contaminating the soils.

Google polymetallic black shales which are going to be extracted too.

 

[tay]

Oil sands crude not as

Journal urges Keystone XL approval
The scientific journal Nature is urging President Barack Obama to “face down critics” and approve the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, though it does cite pollution issues in Canada.

In an editorial on energy security and the climate debate this week, Nature said the president should issue powerful rules governing power plants and warn the coal industry to “clean up or fade away.”

Where TransCanada Corp.’s proposed Keystone XL is concerned, approval would “bolster his credibility” in the industry among the nation’s conservatives.

“The administration should face down critics of the project, ensure that environmental standards are met and then approve it,” the journal urged.

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That link you have provided only goes to an opinion piece in the Globe and Mail which provides no link for authentication to the 'Nature' commentary he is claiming they have made.

Do you have that link for us?




MAYFLOWER, Ark., June 5/13 — On warm spring evenings, North Starlite Drive buzzed with children. They cycled around the cul-de-sac at the end of the wide, block-long road, shot baskets in driveways and inevitably wound up on the swing set and trampoline behind the Bartletts' large brick house.

These days, there are no children. Yellow police tape stretches across the turns from the main road onto the street. All 22 families who lived there are gone.

About 2:45 p.m. on March 29, an underground ExxonMobil oil pipeline ruptured in the woods behind the cul-de-sac. An estimated 5,000 barrels — or 210,000 gallons — of oil splashed down North Starlite into a drainage ditch, snaking into a cove off Lake Conway.

The families on the street evacuated immediately. Overwhelmed by the oil's burning-tire smell, other subdivision residents left too.

People came back for an hour here and there to collect their belongings. "For Sale" signs popped up on lawns like a strange bloom.

The ExxonMobil Pegasus pipeline split open just as the Obama administration entered the final phases of review for the far bigger, controversial Keystone XL pipeline, handing ammunition to opponents who say that Keystone's path through major rivers like the Platte and the Missouri and over the Ogallala aquifer, the main freshwater source of the Great Plains, could lead to a catastrophe.

The Pegasus pipeline carried about 95,000 barrels a day, but Keystone XL would carry more than 800,000, making the consequences of a spill potentially far greater.


more


Arkansas pipeline spill casts shadow over Keystone XL - latimes.com

 

[Goober]

This was in the body of the main link. I should have added that.
Change for good : Nature News & Comment
Site Link
Journal home : Nature

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Tar-sands development raises serious air- and water-quality issues in Canada, but these problems are well outside Obama’s jurisdiction.

We're going to be left with most of ecological and social damage from continued oil sands development while most of the benefits go elsewhere.

Maybe if the royalties were more or we were allowed to refine a greater proportion of the WCS then I think it would be smart to support Keystone and the oil sands development. But as it stands now it's just going to mean a huge cleanup bill for Canadians in the future...if the country is still around with all the projected impacts coming.

We have options and we need to seriously think about a sustainable future for Canada, it's insane to support an energy policy that will quite possibly lead to ecological collapse in the coming years.

 

[Highball]

I'll bet the endorsement came on the heels of a huge "Donation!" Not surprising either. Everyone has a price.

 

[captain morgan]

We're going to be left with most of ecological and social damage from continued oil sands development while most of the benefits go elsewhere.

You're shipping the majority of the 'waste' elsewhere Einstein.

The only social damage is less money in the coffers to cover the welfare entitlement crowd that seem to have insatiable appetites for freebies

Maybe if the royalties were more

Buy some oilsands land and develop it. That is your easiest way to 'get more'

or we were allowed to refine a greater proportion of the WCS then I think it would be smart to support Keystone and the oil sands development.

Build a refinery at Kitimat.

But as it stands now it's just going to mean a huge cleanup bill for Canadians in the future...if the country is still around with all the projected impacts coming.

Maybe you should look at the oilsands in AB and Sask as the biggest environmental disaster caused by ole Mother Gaia

We have options and we need to seriously think about a sustainable future for Canada, it's insane to support an energy policy that will quite possibly lead to ecological collapse in the coming years.

What a maroon... You've been drinking far too much of the kool-aid

 

[taxslave]

We're going to be left with most of ecological and social damage from continued oil sands development while most of the benefits go elsewhere.

Maybe if the royalties were more or we were allowed to refine a greater proportion of the WCS then I think it would be smart to support Keystone and the oil sands development. But as it stands now it's just going to mean a huge cleanup bill for Canadians in the future...if the country is still around with all the projected impacts coming.

We have options and we need to seriously think about a sustainable future for Canada, it's insane to support an energy policy that will quite possibly lead to ecological collapse in the coming years.

SO go build a refinery somewhere in BC. Call us in 10 years and let us know how you are making out with the permit applications process.

 

[Durry]

CBC's Rex Murphy says it like it is at a function in Calgary!!

I don't think he would be allowed to say these things if he was on a CBC program!!

You Go Rex !!


Rex Murphy

Same vid

http://zoomcom.vo.llnwd.net/o9/first_energy/jetvision_folder/138270208326113ifvw6xsamp4.mp4

 

[BruSan]

Now they'll start saying anything that will fly because the Canbuck is slated to settle to .88C against the Greenback in the new year.


That makes buying Canadian crude too good to pass on.

 

[petros]

It makes all our commodities fly out the ports and I for one am glad.

 

[MHz]

Keystone XL, which would move more than 800,000 barrels a day of bitumen from Alberta’s oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries, is a flashpoint for environmentalists.

How much could we make selling some of the lower grade stuff to Russia so the could put in in the firsts nuclear tomb?

BBC News - Chernobyl's arch: Sealing off a radioactive sarcophagus