Obama's Birth Certificate

talloola

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this has been gone over and over long ago on this forum. If he wasn't born in hawaii,
it would have come out before he was elected as leader of the dems.
The democratic party would not have fooled around with that 'can of worms', and
would have discarded him and gone to someone else.

The republicans would have exposed that little secret for sure, because it would
have been the only way they could ever have disposed of him, as he is smarter,
more sensible, and more honorable than any republican could ever be.



He was born in hawaii.
 

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this has been gone over and over long ago on this forum. If he wasn't born in hawaii,
it would have come out before he was elected as leader of the dems.
The democratic party would not have fooled around with that 'can of worms', and
would have discarded him and gone to someone else.

The republicans would have exposed that little secret for sure, because it would
have been the only way they could ever have disposed of him, as he is smarter,
more sensible, and more honorable than any republican could ever be.



He was born in hawaii.

I'm not 100% sure but I think if the candidates parents are both U.S. citizens it doesn't matter where the candidate was born.
 

talloola

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I'm not 100% sure but I think if the candidates parents are both U.S. citizens it doesn't matter where the candidate was born.

that is true, eg. john mcCain's parents were living somewhere else when he was born, so that makes
him 'still' an american citizen.

Obama's parents were, dad- kenyan mom-american, but he was born in hawaii, which makes him an american.
 

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Let's draw out the nut's.

An examination of rumors alleging that Barack Obama's birth certificate is either a forgery or an invalid 'short-form' computer print-out which fails to establish his status as a natural-born U.S. citizen.


THE SAGA OF Barack Obama's birth certificate is tortuous and ironic.

It began with the June 2008 release of a scan of Obama's state-issued Certification of Live Birth to quell rumors suggesting that his religious affiliation and country of origin might be other than what he claimed. Partisan scuttlebutt speculated that Obama's middle name was really "Mohammed," for example — which, if true, would lend support to rumblings that he had grown up a Muslim — and that he was actually born in Kenya, not the United States — which of course would mean he's not a natural-born citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency.

The Certification of Live Birth refuted both of those claims, yet somehow only managed to ignite further controversy.

First, it was labeled a forgery. Anonymous "experts" claimed they were able to detect anomalies in the scanned image that proved it couldn't possibly be authentic.

When that failed to fly, the document was assailed for being a "short-form" computer print-out as opposed to an original, hospital-issued birth record. A cry went up for the release of Obama's "real" birth certificate, which conspiracy theorists said was being "suppressed" by the state of Hawaii because of the potentially explosive information it could contain.

Six months into his presidency and fully a year after the Certification of Live Birth was first posted online, a small but increasingly vocal minority is still demanding to know why President Obama "refused" to show his birth certificate.

The proper response, of course, is that he has already done so. The document released in 2008 is a valid Hawaii birth certificate, vetted by multiple sources, proving that Barack Hussein Obama was born on U.S. soil on August 4, 1961.

Let's examine some of the allegations to the contrary.

CLAIM: The scanned Certification of Live Birth released by Obama is a forgery.

EXAMPLE: Personal message from a reader dated Dec. 10, 2008:
I am part of a citizen action group against LIES, BIAS and DISCRIMINATION in the media reporting, We will be taking part in lawsuits against biased media or those who fail to report the truth and evidence on matters involving the FACT that Obama is NOT eligible for office based on the FACTS that he FORGED his birth record and was NOT born the the United States!​
STATUS: FALSE. "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," said Hawaii Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo when queried by the St. Petersburg Times' PolitiFact.com website in June 2008. To verify that, the actual physical document was scrutinized by researchers at FactCheck.org (see hi-res images), who determined it had been duly signed, sealed, and certified by the state registrar, and "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship."
Sources:
Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter. Politifact.com, July 2009
Born in the U.S.A. FactCheck.org, 1 Nov 2008


CLAIM: As distinguished from a "long-form" Certificate of Live Birth, the "short-form" Certification of Live Birth issued by Hawaii and posted online by the Obama campaign isn't a "real" or "valid" birth certificate.

EXAMPLE: Personal message from a reader dated Oct. 28, 2008:
[T]he Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section I) as a "Natural born citizen" to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America. However, contrary to what the few media outlets who are giving this outrageous claim any attention at all have concurred, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a "birth certificate". What they supplied was actually a "Certificate of Live Birth." There is a major difference between a "birth certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth." Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't.​
STATUS: FALSE. According to both the Hawaii.gov website and a June 6, 2009 article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth is the only kind of birth record currently issued by the state (original records are stored electronically), so the distinction between "long-form" and "short-form" is moot. When a Hawaii citizen requests a certified copy of his or her birth certificate from the state, a Certification of Live Birth — what people are calling a "short-form" — is what they get. It contains "all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate," affirms Health Department spokesperson Janice Okubo.
Sources:
Born Identity. Honolulu Star-Bulletin, 6 June 2009
HI Officials Confirm Obama's Original Birth Certificate Still Exists. Honolulu Advertiser, 28 July 2009
Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands. Hawaii.gov, 2009

CLAIM: Since Hawaii law allows residents to obtain birth certificates for children born outside the state, the released document still doesn't prove that Obama couldn't have been born in, say, Kenya.

EXAMPLE: Forwarded email received Dec. 2, 2008:
Right Side News on Sunday so graciously pointed out that "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth. This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year."​
STATUS: FALSE. The Certification of Live Birth explicitly states that he was born in Honolulu; if he had been born elsewhere, the document would say so.

Janice Okubo explains: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."

Moreover, the Hawaii Department of Health has verified and publicly confirmed that the original birth records on file do, in fact, specify that Obama was born in Hawaii:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," wrote the head of the Health Department in a statement released July 27, 2009.

Unless one is willing to accuse Dr. Fukino and other state officials of lying, that puts the matter to rest.

Oh, and one more thing. Given all of the above, birth announcements printed in both the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star-Bulletin in August 1961 eliminate all reasonable doubt as to where Barack Obama was really born (hint: neither of those papers is published in Kenya).
Sources:
'Birther' Movement Dogs Republicans. Washington Independent, 17 July 2009
Statement by Health Director Chiyomi Fukino, M.D. Hawaii Department of Health, 27 July 2009
HI Officials Confirm Obama's Original Birth Certificate Still Exists. Honolulu Advertiser, 28 July 2009


Update: 'Birther' Wackiness Continues with Release of Obama's 'Kenyan Birth Certificate'


Poll: Do you believe the certificate released by Obama is valid and sufficient proof of U.S. birth? Take the Poll


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Sources and further reading:
Barack Obama's Birth Certificate Revealed Here
LA Times "Top of the Ticket" blog, 17 June 2008

Statement by Health Director Chiyomi Fukino, M.D.
Hawaii Department of Health, 27 July 2009

'Birther' Movement Dogs Republicans
Washington Independent, 17 July 2009

Born Identity
Honolulu Star-Bulletin, 6 June 2009

Hawaii Officials Confirm Obama's Original Birth Certificate Still Exists
Honolulu Advertiser, 28 July 2009

No Doubt About Obama's Birth
Editorial, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, 29 July 2009

It's Certifiable
Wall Street Journal, 30 July 2009

Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter
Politifact.com, updated July 2009

Obama's Certificate of Birth OK, State Says
Honolulu Advertiser, 1 November 2009

Born in the U.S.A.
FactCheck.org, 1 November 2008

Obama's Birth Announcements
WhatReallyHappened.com​

First off, his religious affiliation would prove nothing of his place of birth since people adopt new religions all the time. Secondly, I'm sure to be president all your documents will be heavily scrutinized. And thirdly, I think its ridiculous that the US still has such an antiquated law that a citizen must be born in the US to become president.
 

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Much better. You don't have to be born in Canada or even intelligent to be PM. But like in the US you do have to get enough votes. Unless your name is Bush and the CIA will rig the voting system for you.

A perfect post for this thread.

The OP talking about the far right and the birth certificate and now the far left claim about the CIA rigging Bush's election.
 

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"The OP talking about the far right and the birth certificate and now the far left claim about the CIA rigging Bush's election."

EagleSmack, the 2000 election will never be forgotten by the sore loser Democrats.

Kind of like slavery. Abolished - by a REPUBLICAN President - a century and a half ago, but the poverty pimps are still crying about it.
 

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"The OP talking about the far right and the birth certificate and now the far left claim about the CIA rigging Bush's election."

EagleSmack, the 2000 election will never be forgotten by the sore loser Democrats.

Kind of like slavery. Abolished - by a REPUBLICAN President - a century and a half ago, but the poverty pimps are still crying about it.

It actually goes back further. The libs first started this by claiming Reagan stole the election from Carter with the so called "November Surprise".
 

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Bush didn't have the majority in 2000....look it up.

Besides, I'll take a multi party system over a one party state any day.

Indeed. Gore got more votes than Bush, but Bush came out slightly ahead in that outmoded organization, the ElectoraL College.

Even then the result in Florida was in doubt. That is, until the Supreme Court, in the most disgusting display of political partisanship ever, voted strictly along party lines (5 Republicans for, 4 Democrats against) to award the presidency to their buddy, Bush. A more revolting instance of political patronage cannot be imagined. Supreme Court made even Mulroney proud that day.

For any nutcase who believes his birth certificiate is fake, go ahead and file another lawsuit. It'll cost you $20,000 in fines with a jail sentence but at least you'll be standing by your principles.

They have already filed hundreds of lawsuits, none of them have succeeded so far. I expect they will keep on filing lawsuits for eight years (assuming Obama wins in 2012). But it keeps the conspiracy theorists, the racists happy.

or the transcripts for the five colleges she dropped out of!

or so I've heard

lol!

If she does indeed become the republican nominee (as I hope she does), all these things will be called into question, will be fair game for discussion.
 

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"Outmoded" or not, the Electoral College decides the President, based on the popular vote. The last I looked, that was and still is the law. Any member of the Electoral College can vote anyway they want, but by tradition they all vote with deference to the popular vote.

Democratic shill Bob Beckell wanted to bribe/convince - unsuccessfully - some members of the Electoral College to break with that tradition.
 

SirJosephPorter

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First off, his religious affiliation would prove nothing of his place of birth since people adopt new religions all the time. Secondly, I'm sure to be president all your documents will be heavily scrutinized. And thirdly, I think its ridiculous that the US still has such an antiquated law that a citizen must be born in the US to become president.

I am sure Obama's citizenship was established before he was allowed to run, by the proper authorities (not by right wing nutcases).

In response to the criticism that he is not a US citizen, Obama also released his birth certificate (I don't think McCain ever did that). But of course that wouldn't satisfy the birther nuts. The moment it was released, it was declared a forgery and demands were made for many more documents.

"Outmoded" or not, the Electoral College decides the President, based on the popular vote. The last I looked, that was and still is the law. Any member of the Electoral College can vote anyway they want, but by tradition they all vote with deference to the popular vote.

Democratic shill Bob Beckell wanted to bribe/convince - unsuccessfully - some members of the Electoral College to break with that tradition.

The issue was still pending before the Florida Supreme Court, until the Republicans on the US Supreme Court intervened and awarded the presidency to one fo their own.
 

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SirJosephPorter, the ruling of the Supreme Court regarding the 2000 election is far less revolting than the ruling of Roe v. Wade, which resulted in the death of 30 million innocent babies.

If you can accept - no, based on your posts, cherish and admire - that ruling, you should also accept, without typical liberal petulance, the ruling of the Supreme Court regarding Florida, 2000.
 

SirJosephPorter

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"The OP talking about the far right and the birth certificate and now the far left claim about the CIA rigging Bush's election."

EagleSmack, the 2000 election will never be forgotten by the sore loser Democrats.

You are quite right, that episode will enver be forgotten. Hundred years from now, scholars will still point to it as the worst display of political partisanship by the US Supreme Court ever.

Indeed, after awarding the presidency to his friend, the Chief Justice, Rehnquist, was in full damage control mode. Justices never comment upon the cases they have heard, outside the court. But Rehnquist sent out his lackey, Justice Thomas to claim that the decision was not politically motivated. Rehnquist himself claimed the same in one of his speeches.

So you may think there was nothing wrong with it, but Rehnquist wasn't stupid (he was just political partisan). He perfectly realized that the decision was political (and nothing to do with the constitution) and that it was perceived as such by the people.

SirJosephPorter, the ruling of the Supreme Court regarding the 2000 election is far less revolting than the ruling of Roe v. Wade, which resulted in the death of 30 million innocent babies.

If you can accept - no, based on your posts, cherish and admire - that ruling, you should also accept, without typical liberal petulance, the ruling of the Supreme Court regarding Florida, 2000.

That decision was not politically motivated. You may disagree with it (and many do), but it had nothing to do with politics. It was voted 7 to 2, indicating that Justices of all persuasion voted for it.

As compared to that, Bush was awarded the presidency on a party political vote, 5 Republicans for, 4 Democrats against.
 

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"That decision was not politically motivated. You may disagree with it (and many do), but it had nothing to do with politics. It was voted 7 to 2, indicating that Justices of all persuasion voted for it.

As compared to that, Bush was awarded the presidency on a party political vote, 5 Republicans for, 4 Democrats against."

Roe v. Wade is the greatest hate crime in the history of mankind. Whether it was politically motivated or not has nothing to do with the fact that it opened the door for butchering defenseless innocents.

Motivation does not change the end result.

And speaking of birth certificates, how does the one who voted to deny life support for abortion-surviving babies, the same one who voted to crush the heads of living babies in the womb justify his own existence?
 

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"That decision was not politically motivated. You may disagree with it (and many do), but it had nothing to do with politics. It was voted 7 to 2, indicating that Justices of all persuasion voted for it.

As compared to that, Bush was awarded the presidency on a party political vote, 5 Republicans for, 4 Democrats against."

Roe v. Wade is the greatest hate crime in the history of mankind. Whether it was politically motivated or not has nothing to do with the fact that it opened the door for butchering defenseless innocents.

Motivation does not change the end result.

And speaking of birth certificates, how does the one who voted to deny life support for abortion-surviving babies, the same one who voted to crush the heads of living babies in the womb justify his own existence?

You are changing the subject here. We are discussing the political decision by Supreme Court to award the presidency to their buddy, not whether Roe vs. wade was right or wrong. If you want to discuss that, post a separate thread.
 

YukonJack

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Funny, I thought we were discussing Obama's birth certificate/eligibility for Presidency until taxslave hijacked the topic (enthusiastically supported by you) by talking about Bush.
 

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''the ruling of Roe v. Wade, which resulted in the death of 30 million innocent babies ... Roe v. Wade is the greatest hate crime in the history of mankind.''

Decided by a REPUBLICAN majority. Affirmed by REPUBLICAN majority in Casey.
 

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that is true, eg. john mcCain's parents were living somewhere else when he was born, so that makes
him 'still' an american citizen.

Obama's parents were, dad- kenyan mom-american, but he was born in hawaii, which makes him an american.


McCain was born in Panama in the Canal Zone which technically was US territory at that time. Today it is a part of Panama. I expect if Obama had been born in Panama the right wing nut cases would be calling him Panamanian.
 

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McCain was born in Panama in the Canal Zone which technically was US territory at that time. Today it is a part of Panama. I expect if Obama had been born in Panama the right wing nut cases would be calling him Panamanian.


McCain was born to American parents, that alone insures your American citizenship.