Why should it only be the poor that are covered? Middle class people don't get sick?
Obamacare upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court
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Why should it only be the poor that are covered? Middle class people don't get sick?
They can be covered. I'm covered as I pay for insurance and I'm in the middle class.
People who aren't covered are going to be forced to get coverage or pay a fine... or what the SJC has called a tax.
This isn't a Canada type health care plan.
They're not, actually. In the state of Georgia, for example, poverty itself isn't a determining factor for whether Georgians get on Medicaid.
So no, the poorest citizens aren't already covered. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can move on.
Sigh...
Yes they are...
Using Georgia...
Department of Community Health - Eligibility Criteria Chart
And those people who think they are poor and the government thinks otherwise... pay up or else. Get ready for about a $12K bill. And everyone else get ready for premiums to go up. Someone has to pay for this.
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Are you reading your link? Because it proves my point and disproves yours. Those groups that Georgia's Medicaid covers are special groups, such as SSI receipts (people who are disabled) and people in hospices (people not expected to live past six months). It doesn't apply to poor people in general, only special groups of poor people. If you're a poor adult who don't fit into those exclusive categories (like if you're expected to live more than six months), you're out of luck.
You've just stumbled on why Medicaid needs to be expanded as Obama's health law does. It's because it's legalese requirements are so narrowly defined, they automatically eliminate millions of poor people from eligibility.
So no, poor people aren't covered.
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Cherry picking are you? Did you read the whole list? Apparently not.
What it is are qualifications for Georgia Medicaid... not just special groups. Facts hurt eh?
If you don't qualify... get ready to pay. If you aren't going to pay the IRS is coming.
And now you want an expansion? Where is this money coming from? Is that why they are saying this will be the largest tax hike in US History?
Hope and Change baby!
We have gone over this nonsense a hundred times on this forum already. But just to prove a point I'll repeat it just for you:
45,000 Americans die every year from lack of health care insurance:
Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | Reuters
17,000 children die from lack of health care insurance:
Lack Of Health Insurance Linked To 17,000 Childhood Deaths, US
900,000 dead Americans over a 20 year period. Even OBL couldn't do that no matter how hard he tried.
Although we have repeatedly discussed this enough times on this forum, to this day, not one forum Republican from either the US or its wannabes from Canada has offered a shred of evidence to refute any of these findings.
Hopefully, with the new reforms there will be some change to save innocent lives.
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Hate to disappoint anyone but this is the real face of "Obamacare"
and this:
For those of you in the RepubliCONcare side, just be glad these are not your daughter and granddaughter.
''Oops...
We couldn't find what you were looking for.''
There at the end of every post of yours I sense deflection all over the place.
How about this, you read the Georgia Medicaid link you provided and tell me all the groups that receive Medicaid in Georgia. I have already read it, along with the Medicaid eligibility for other states, but you tell me where all poor people are covered in Georgia, according to your link. I am interested in what you think your link is.
Ahhh... we have gone over this absolutely stupid stat(s).
What they do here is say "How many children died this year?"... ok, how many died who weren't covered by insurance... 17,000.
Then you get...
"17,000 Children Died due to lack of insurance!"
No... I added that. I proved you wrong in the first part. You just cherry picked. FAIL
No you can go and do your own research. Those are the requirements needed to get Medicaid and all categories are covered. From the Special groups to poor people. It's all there. Did you not see LIM? Low Income Medicade? That must have stung eh?
That's not how anyone determines deaths associated with lack of insurance. The perform survival analysis, particularly using hazard ratios, which essentially evaluates no insurance coverage as a predictor of mortality when compared to those cases where there is insurance. So if they get a hazard ratio of something like 1.8, that means that not having insurance makes someone nearly two times more likely to die of some condition than for a person who does have insurance. They can further reduce the hazard ratio by including explanatory variables like ethnicity, income, education, exercise, smoking, etc.
The uninsured are unquestionably more likely to die than those who do have insurance. The number they estimate isn't a simple "how many died who were uninsured" exercise...
If you read how these stats are gathered you will find that the mortality rate is not that much different between the two. They actually found out that more people died on Medicaid than those that weren't insured.
People are going to die. The mortality rate in the US will not change because of the way we live... not because of health insurance. Americans are still going to gorge of fatty foods, consume mass quantities of drugs and alcohol, frequent fast food places and order out for pizza... and sit in front of the TV all day and all weekend. Obamacare is not going to change our behavoir.
I'm just wondering how the middle class worker earning say $30,000 a year without medical insurance would make out if all of a sudden his appendix blew up and he was out of work for a month and paying a mortgage.
I'm not unfamiliar with proportional hazard models. I work for a drug company, we use these all the time in pre-clinical safety trials...it's not as simple as you proclaimed. The Harvard study that everyone was talking about found an adjusted hazards ratio of 1.4 after considering social, lifestyle, and economic factors. Doesn't sound like much, but then 45,000 is only a small drop in the number of deaths each year in the US, attributed to illness and injuries.
Though I noticed the Newsbusters you linked to referenced a few studies. What's truly funny about those studies, they aren't peer reviewed. And after all that fuss Newsbusters made about grey literature in the IPCC reports...lol.
Every other nation in the modern world has a form of medicare and far better
that in America. If some are old enough they will remember when the NDP
brought Medicare to Saskatchewan, the same old worn out arguments used
then are used now by the Doctors and Conservatives. They lost in Canada
thank God. In Canada the poor also get medicare free on welfare so what?
In addition when parents can go to the hospital and not be faced with hundreds
of dollars up from, it is a good day. It is now time for governments to take on
the big drug companies, and force them to bring their prices into line. They do
have a right to profit but they should not have the right to gouge.
that in America. If some are old enough they will remember when the NDP
brought Medicare to Saskatchewan, the same old worn out arguments used
then are used now by the Doctors and Conservatives. They lost in Canada
thank God. In Canada the poor also get medicare free on welfare so what?
In addition when parents can go to the hospital and not be faced with hundreds
of dollars up from, it is a good day. It is now time for governments to take on
the big drug companies, and force them to bring their prices into line. They do
have a right to profit but they should not have the right to gouge.
Again... Americans are fat and glutinous. Our lifestyles are horrible... particularly among our poor. They are the fatest of all socioeconomic classes. Obamacare will not save them.
HARVARD STUDY USES QUESTIONABLE METHODOLOGY, SAY CRITICS
I wonder why wealthy Canadians and Canadian politicians run to the U.S when they need treatment.
Please Grumpy.
Which is why they reported adjusted hazard ratios, accounting for socioeconomic and lifestyle factors....those without insurance tend to be less educated, lower earners, and with poorer relative diets. Account for confounding variables.