Obamacare Passes!!!
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Quite. McCain wants to repeal it. I really would like to see Republicans run on the promise of repealing the bill in November election. I would like to see him campaign on the promise that he will give insurance companies back the authority to deny coverage to children, or to deny coverage to adults with preexisting conditions. Democrats will make mincemeat of him.
But much as I would wish it, i don't think Republicans are that stupid. I think this talk is similar to what Alberta politicians said when gay marriage was legalized in Canada, they vowed to build a firewall around Alberta to keep gay marriage out.
And I suspect that Republicans are playing to the same crowd that Alberta politicians did, the far right. I expect any talk of the repeal will disappear in time for the November election.
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It all depends on the nature of the bill and that is up to the individual. If it is a small bill he could pay it himself. Nothing says it has to be financed. However he is responsible for the bill if he is uninsured. It needs to be paid one way or the other.
Every state in the U.S. who has tried mandated health care has gone broke, not one in prospering. So now Obama and his socialist allies want to do to America what some have done to their states.
Lets look at this from a business side. Lets say you open a insurance business, and your doing well making your 6-7% profit. Then along comes a person suffering from a expensive treatable sickness. They are willing to pay you the $100 monthly premium in order to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatment instantly. Now under the new law you have to do it, but is it fair. It will take years before taxes bring in enough money to do this, just who will pay for it. Big bad insurance company, what did they do wrong? (remember that profit margin I mentioned 6-7%, that is not a huge profit margin for a business)
The insurance companies were never the enemy, it was the goverment who allowed all these outlandish malpractice suites, and did not subsidize the pharmaceuticals companies. There is where all this high cost of health insurance is going. Note nothing has changed there.
Lets look at this from a business side. Lets say you open a insurance business, and your doing well making your 6-7% profit. Then along comes a person suffering from a expensive treatable sickness. They are willing to pay you the $100 monthly premium in order to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatment instantly. Now under the new law you have to do it, but is it fair. It will take years before taxes bring in enough money to do this, just who will pay for it. Big bad insurance company, what did they do wrong? (remember that profit margin I mentioned 6-7%, that is not a huge profit margin for a business)
The insurance companies were never the enemy, it was the goverment who allowed all these outlandish malpractice suites, and did not subsidize the pharmaceuticals companies. There is where all this high cost of health insurance is going. Note nothing has changed there.
Depends upon who you talk to, Machjo. according to some teabaggers, it is a Socialist country, according to others it is a Communist country.
I have been reading Townhall for the last couple of days, and according to many teabaggers, USA has already made full transition to Communism. They expect Obama to cancel the 2010 elections.
No one said Red Commie there is a difference. Socialism is just let some one else pay for what you want. Fine someone with deep pockets and drain them dry. My previous post mentions states that have tried it.
I didn't say I agree with everything McCain says or any politician 100% for that matter..Just sayin' he's a good man ..One of the best Rep ..That's all ..I'm an independent and Canadian by the way ...:canada:
However I would be happy if Obama was leading this Country right now..Actually I am proud to be American at the moment ...
My dads a Yank ( nashville)...My ma's a Scot ...Me 100% Canadian/American ... :canada
with respect to my Scotish relatives)
When we voted in President Obama, we voted to have a Socialist State, he was right up front with everything he intended to do. This is nothing new, now we have to figure out how to take the country back from his kind of politics.
So far I wrote from my assessment as to what constitutes a developed and developing country (per capita income, or thanks to juan, per capita GDP). But I decided to look into it further. Here is a list of developing countries, according to International Monetary Fund.
Developing country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This list includes India and China as developing countries. That ends the matter right there for me, in spite what some of the self appointed experts here think (not that I had any doubt that I was right in the first place).
Now, no doubt there are some here who think (sorry, they ‘know’) that they are in a better position to judge than IMF, that is there right. But as far as I am concerned, India and China are very much developing countries, because they have very low per capita income and because IMF says so.
Incidentally, the list also includes Russia. So I was right on all counts, India, China, Russia, they are all developing countries.
Health care is a Social affair ..Anything having to deal with People is...With the people , for the people, by the people .is Democracy..Not to be mistaken for communism ..
Do you have any idea what the IMF is, does or how they are viewed by most of the countries that have sought to get out from under their thumb?
If the IMF told me the sky was blue, I would still look up.
There's a reason it is referred to as the "Dirty IMF".
It's in the best interests of the IMF to declare a country "developing". It's tantamount to a Doctor proclaiming a healthy person sick, so he can make money treating them.
Quite. You are one of the self appointed experts I was talking about, who 'knows' that he is better qualified to judge which is a developed or developing country than IMF. So although IMF says that India and China are developing countries, in your opinion they are developed countries. And of course, you are right, IMF is wrong.
Per capita income (or per capita GDP) is the sole (or at least the main) indicator of whether a country is a developed or a developing country.
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Another self appointed expert. Sigh! So what are you qualification over that of IMF, that we should believe you and disbelieve IMF? Should we disregard IMF and take your word for it that India and china are developed countries?
China is very much a poor country, when one takes into account its huge population.
A person can be compelled to have medical insurance, that is perfectly legal under the Charter. That is evident for health care premium, which is charged in Ontario and some other provinces. Everybody must pay health premium, there are no exemptions. It strictly depends upon your income.
Health care premium is really not all that different from health insurance premium they charge in USA.
Oh, and here is a list of developed countries. Names India, China and Russia do not appear in the list, at least I cannot find them. No doubt the self appointed experts here (who know better than IMF) will be able to.
Developed country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"One such criterion is income per capita; countries with high gross domestic product (GDP) per capita would thus be described as developed countries."
Developed country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"One such criterion is income per capita; countries with high gross domestic product (GDP) per capita would thus be described as developed countries."
China and India are technologically as advanced as the U.S., and Canada. Yes they are developed countries and no more backward than we are. You have to stop looking down upon them, yes again the IMF is just a bunch on snobs and are yes wrong. GDP may work with our forms of goverment, but it is not a goodindicator in China or India.
Indeed. And he turned out to be one of those rare politician, he actually kept his promise about health care.
Sorry, that is your opinion only, The income figures and IMF do not agree with you. But then in your mind, your personal, unsupported opinion, unsupported by any fact carries more weight than per capita income, per capita GDP or what IMF says. That is your business, not mine.
IMF says that India, China, Russia are developing countries. I independently came to the same conclusion, and I agree with IMF. You may call them anything you want, call them richest countries in the world for all I care. It is all the same to me. I prefer to believe IMF rather than believe your unsupported opinion.