Obamacare is a tax cut

[Tonington]

In Canada, it is provided by the government. In America, it is provided by private industry.

Canadian healthcare isn't entirely funded by the government, nor is American healthcare entirely funded by private industry. As far as improving healthcare outcomes go, who pays is largely irrelevant. Canadian patients have better outcomes with respect to high blood pressure. Americans have better outcomes with respect to breast cancer. It's not because of who is paying, it's due to intrinsic factors in how disease and illness is diagnosed, treated, and managed.

 

[Toro]

Canadian healthcare isn't entirely funded by the government, nor is American healthcare entirely funded by private industry. As far as improving healthcare outcomes go, who pays is largely irrelevant. Canadian patients have better outcomes with respect to high blood pressure. Americans have better outcomes with respect to breast cancer. It's not because of who is paying, it's due to intrinsic factors in how disease and illness is diagnosed, treated, and managed.

I'm generalizing, of course. In Canada, something like 75%-80% of healthcare spending is funded by the government. In the United States, its ~45%.

 

[Locutus]

Oops: Obama Calls Individual Mandate A “Tax”…



h/t Weasel Zippers


President Obama Declares Obamacare "A Tax" - YouTube




Yeah, whatever...:lol:

 

[WJW]

I find it interesting that the very people that advocated "privatization" of Social Security are the ones vehemently against universal healthcare. We are all paying for healthcare (both directly and indirectly) anyway; and we’re all paying more for it every time some uninsured person goes to the emergency room. So why not get what we are all paying for? And, more to the point, why not get our money’s worth?

 

[Walter]

Most Americans could not afford a major medical expense, even with health insurance - they will be bankrupt; and those unfortunate to need long-term medical treatment will end up on the street.

This is the biggest load of s h i t that you have ever posted. Americans get sick as often as anyone else and by your unsubstatiated reasoning their streets should be overflowing with sick and dying people and it just ain't so. You're daft.

 

[JLM]

This is the biggest load of s h i t that you have ever posted. Americans get sick as often as anyone else and by your unsubstatiated reasoning their streets should be overflowing with sick and dying people and it just ain't so. You're daft.

I think you might have gotten one right, there Walter. Some people love drama and nothing adds to dramatics like exaggeration. I think in the U.S. it's the stupid people who aren't covered more than the destitute! :lol:

I did a little reading up on the U.S. "system" and it does seem to be a bit of a patchwork, but it does look like well over 90% of people have coverage one way or the other. A few U.S. states appear to be very good, such as Oregon, Massatchusetts, New Jersey, Vermont, but I suspect others are lacking. I was surprised to see their longevity ranked about 50th in the world, but that could be due to many countries being very close (like maybe if the longevity was increased by 6 months the ranking would jump 30 points)

This is the biggest load of s h i t that you have ever posted. Americans get sick as often as anyone else and by your unsubstatiated reasoning their streets should be overflowing with sick and dying people and it just ain't so. You're daft.

Hey Walter, better to attack the post, not the poster! :lol:

 

[gopher]

Toro,

most Americans are happy with their own health insurance

What do the polls indicate about how Americans feel who don't have insurance?

 

[JLM]

What do the polls indicate about how Americans feel who don't have insurance?

OK goph, tell us how they feel. :smile:

 

[Bar Sinister]

That's even sillier.

Did you get up on the wrong side of the igloo today BS? Fur traps empty?

Can you refute a single point? If you wish I can give you a hundred year history of American paranoia,

 

[EagleSmack]

Can you refute a single point? If you wish I can give you a hundred year history of American paranoia,

Yes.... and all Canadians live in igloos, gorge on poutine, play ice hockey, say "eh", trap fur, etc.

Please lets not talk of paranoia. This forum has been FULL of posts from Canadians saying the US is going to invade.

P.S . Your post was ignorant and stereotypical to be quite honest.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Yes.... and all Canadians live in igloos, gorge on poutine, play ice hockey, say "eh", trap fur, etc.

Please lets not talk of paranoia. This forum has been FULL of posts from Canadians saying the US is going to invade.

P.S . Your post was ignorant and stereotypical to be quite honest.

Ignorant? Guess I just trying to surpass you. BTW I stand by what I said. Prove me wrong.

 

[The Old Medic]

The bill CUTS 500 Billion dollars from Medicare. Instead of depending on what some "wonk" claims it says, next time actually read the freaking law as it was passed.

I have read it all, every stinking word of it, and it is a freaking disaster.

They were just too damn cowardly to do a single payer approach, which might have actually worked. instead, it appears that the aim (as this was modified by the Supreme Court) is to bankrupt all of the private insurance companies, or drive them out of this market.

Oh well, that's what happens when, as the former Speaker of the House put it, "You have to pass the bill to find out what is in it".

 

[Tonington]

The bill CUTS 500 Billion dollars from Medicare. Instead of depending on what some "wonk" claims it says, next time actually read the freaking law as it was passed.

I have read it all, every stinking word of it, and it is a freaking disaster.

Quote the clause then. If you read every word you should know where it is:
http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act-as-passed.pdf

 

[WJW]

Blessed are the rich, for they shall receive tax cuts.

 

[EagleSmack]

Ignorant? Guess I just trying to surpass you. BTW I stand by what I said. Prove me wrong.

That goal was achieved quite some time ago.

Your whole post was moronic and simple nonsense. Sophmoric.

You're the one that made the dumb azz claims out of your jealousy and envy of the United States.

 

[gopher]

Healthcare insurance is a cost to the company. It's a cost for employing people. It makes no sense to remove cost of labour from the income statement any more than it does to remove wages and salaries or depreciation or the cost of materials, etc. Removing the cost of healthcare as a deduction would increase the cost of business and cause businesses to employ less people. Separating people from their healthcare isn't a particularly good way of supplying more healthcare to people.

A cost but only because it is large enough to have the luxury of paying for its employees and getting a deduction thereafter. Companies that I worked for, like millions of others, did not have that luxury. So why should we as taxpayers have to subsidize them? After all, the bigger the company the larger the subsidies it gets from the government. Eliminating the deduction would put everyone on a level playing field and that's the way it should be.

Blessed are the rich, for they shall receive tax cuts.

... and multiple billions in subsidies.

 

[Bar Sinister]

That goal was achieved quite some time ago.

Your whole post was moronic and simple nonsense. Sophmoric.

You're the one that made the dumb azz claims out of your jealousy and envy of the United States.

I guess you need a little review of your own history; not that I really expect you to understand it, but one can but try. I will confine my list of American paranoia to the years after 1901 so as not to overwhelm your mental capacity.

1901-1910: The Yellow Peril, fear of almost every European power of significance, and international communism.
1911-1920: Fear of foreign entanglement, and international communism.
1921-1930: Isolationism; which was fear of almost everyone, and international communism.
1931-1940: More Isolationism, fear of international fascism and international communism.
1941-1950: Fascism and international communism.
1951-1960: International communism and anyone who criticized US foreign policy (who were really communists anyway).
1961-1970: Hippy subversives, the Black Panthers, gun control, and international communism.
1971-1980: OPEC, Japan, and International communism.
1981-1990: Muslim fundamentalists; OPEC, gun control, and international communism.
1991-2000: Y2K, Muslim fundamentalism, Hispanic migrants, gun control, and international communism.
2001-2010: Muslim fundamentalism, Hispanic migrants, China, Obama, gun control, and international communism.
2011-present: as above.

There you go. I've kept it fairly simple and not added many other fears, both internal and external. And I amanaged to do it without using words like dumbass and moronic. BTW the word is sophomoric.

 

[captain morgan]

Blessed are the rich, for they shall receive tax cuts.

... and multiple billions in subsidies.

I always get a kick out of the selective perspective on this... All of the pissing and moaning when the gvt cuts back on a higher marginal tax rate (as if they were equal to begin with) and the gvt was mailing out envelopes of cash.

Pretty funny in the grand scheme

 

[EagleSmack]

I guess you need a little review of your own history; not that I really expect you to understand it, but one can but try. I will confine my list of American paranoia to the years after 1901 so as not to overwhelm your mental capacity.

1901-1910: The Yellow Peril, fear of almost every European power of significance, and international communism.
1911-1920: Fear of foreign entanglement, and international communism.
1921-1930: Isolationism; which was fear of almost everyone, and international communism.
1931-1940: More Isolationism, fear of international fascism and international communism.
1941-1950: Fascism and international communism.
1951-1960: International communism and anyone who criticized US foreign policy (who were really communists anyway).
1961-1970: Hippy subversives, the Black Panthers, gun control, and international communism.
1971-1980: OPEC, Japan, and International communism.
1981-1990: Muslim fundamentalists; OPEC, gun control, and international communism.
1991-2000: Y2K, Muslim fundamentalism, Hispanic migrants, gun control, and international communism.
2001-2010: Muslim fundamentalism, Hispanic migrants, China, Obama, gun control, and international communism.
2011-present: as above.

There you go. I've kept it fairly simple and not added many other fears, both internal and external. And I amanaged to do it without using words like dumbass and moronic. BTW the word is sophomoric.

This is funny. Yes each and every American is terrified of these things. Just google Canadian paranoia hypocrite.

How many times do I have to battle a Canadian that comes in here and says the US is going to invade Canada to take their water, etc.?

And I get letters all the time from my government telling me to arm myself against other citizens. And people who live in gated communities are all armed and sitting on their wealth... just waiting.

I don't know why you're so jealous of the US

Clearly all Canadians MUST be like this man...

Paranoid man killed by his own trap

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/10/21/15780301.html



BTW... the word is managed and not "amanaged".

 

[Bar Sinister]

This is funny. Yes each and every American is terrified of these things. Just google Canadian paranoia hypocrite.

How many times do I have to battle a Canadian that comes in here and says the US is going to invade Canada to take their water, etc.?

And I get letters all the time from my government telling me to arm myself against other citizens. And people who live in gated communities are all armed and sitting on their wealth... just waiting.

I don't know why you're so jealous of the US

Clearly all Canadians MUST be like this man...

Paranoid man killed by his own trap

Paranoid man killed by his own trap - Canada - Canoe.ca



BTW... the word is managed and not "amanaged".

Once again I note you can't refute a single point. And attempting to deflect the point to a completely unrelated event won't work either.