Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency

Avro

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SirJosephPorter opined:

"So it is a safe guess to say that Bush would not have got 20 billion $ out of BP.

I agree. Since BP already offered to pay for all the costs of clean-up, Bush would not have had to resort to Chicago Mob Style shake down, and take credit for it!

:roll:

Yeah, Bush was to busy socializing the banks and other private companies to deal with such pressing issues like a guarantee that the people who were affected by this disaster would get paid by the ones who are responsible.

Given the fact you put faith in a company who made short cuts to get the precious out of the ground I can see why you lack any ability to understand what is going on anywhere.:tongue3:
 

YukonJack

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Avro, you do not know me and I do not know you. So, unlike you I don't make unprovable and asinine assumptions about you.

Except for one: if you were smart enough to run your own company, you would take any and all shortcuts to increase your profits.

I am not so sure that you would be ready to pay for your mistake like BP.
 

Avro

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Avro, you do not know me and I do not know you. So, unlike you I don't make unprovable and asinine assumptions about you.

Except for one: if you were smart enough to run your own company, you would take any and all shortcuts to increase your profits.

I am not so sure that you would be ready to pay for your mistake like BP.

I have 5 buisnesses...I have never made short cuts on safety.

But let's get back to that...you think what BP did is acceptable business practice?

Did you think BP would have paid up?

Why?

Corporations don't have a good track record of this you know...you do know that right?
 

YukonJack

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Avro, industrial accidents DO happen, even if ALL the precautions are taken by all concerned.

When I was young, I worked underground in mines. There was NEVER any short cuts there, yet I attended funerals of fellow workers who got killed due to no fault of the company, or their own, for that matter.

It takes a dyed-in-the-wool unionist (communist, but pardon the redundancy) to claim that all industrial accidents can be blamed on profit-hungry capitalists.

If there is room for some conspiracy theory, how about environmentalists sabotaging the well?

No more absurd than your contentions.

BTW, BP would have made good on their pledge to clean up the mess without the intervention of The Annointed One. I have no reason to think otherwise.
 

Avro

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Avro, industrial accidents DO happen, even if ALL the precautions are taken by all concerned.

When I was young, I worked underground in mines. There was NEVER any short cuts there, yet I attended funerals of fellow workers who got killed due to no fault of the company, or their own, for that matter.

It takes a dyed-in-the-wool unionist (communist, but pardon the redundancy) to claim that all industrial accidents can be blamed on profit-hungry capitalists.

If there is room for some conspiracy theory, how about environmentalists sabotaging the well?

No more absurd than your contentions.

BTW, BP would have made good on their pledge to clean up the mess without the intervention of The Annointed One. I have no reason to think otherwise.

Oh c'mon, you can't make an excuse for them then turn around and say it was an accident.

Then you take some giggle juice and blame environmentalist? Get in line with all the other truthers and mentally challenged if you want to go down that road.

We all know what prompts you on anything Jack...if Oabma is around it is he who must be wrong....I imagine had this been Bush the holy light would have shone out his arse and made the bad goo go away.:roll:

If you want to biased that's your business, but it's morally and ethically weak.

For the record....I personally think Obama has so far been a failure....check it out, I haven't made it a secret.

But having some sort of guarantee for the real people harmed by this I am not against a slush fund to see that they do get compensated and the oil does get cleaned up by BP and BP only.
 

Kreskin

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The Presidential Scholars weigh in:
Scholars Rank Obama the 15th Best President - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obama enters list at 15th. History will not be kind to his predecessor, GWB has dropped from 23rd after his first year in office, to 39th.
This guy eclipses Shrub in pretty much everything. How bad is that?
 

Tonington

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Shrub's best attribute is luck...

Andrew Johnson looks like Tommy Lee Jones.
 

AnnaG

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That is a cool list.

I like the ability to speak rankings.

Kennedy #4
Reagan #5
Obama #7
Shrub #42
Shrub = Buchanan? Explain please.

This version doesn't have that big table that the CBS story had, but it has a little more detail in the way of comparisons and discussion:
http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/independent_research/Presidents%20Release_2010_final.pdf
I like the chart I found better. It categorises and ranks the Prezes for all the aspects they measured.

This guy eclipses Shrub in pretty much everything. How bad is that?
WTF are you looking at? The list I found has Adams at 17th. Jackson is at 14th. And Reagan is 18th.
 

Kreskin

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Shrub = Buchanan? Explain please.

I like the chart I found better. It categorises and ranks the Prezes for all the aspects they measured.

WTF are you looking at? The list I found has Adams at 17th. Jackson is at 14th. And Reagan is 18th.
He was the 17th President of the US. Image is from a difference source.
 

ironsides

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An article from American Thinker by Geoffrey P. Hunt

Barack Obama is on track to have the most spectacularly failed presidency since Woodrow Wilson. In the modern era, we've seen several failed presidencies--led by Jimmy Carter and LBJ. Failed presidents have one strong common trait-- they are repudiated, in the vernacular, spat out.
Of course, LBJ wisely took the exit ramp early, avoiding a shove into oncoming traffic by his own party. Richard Nixon indeed resigned in disgrace, yet his reputation as a statesman has been partially restored by his triumphant overture to China .

But, Barack Obama is failing. Failing big. Failing fast. And failing everywhere: foreign policy, domestic initiatives, and most importantly, in forging connections with the American people. The incomparable Dorothy Rabinowitz in the Wall Street Journal put her finger on it: He is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them. Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard says he is failing because he has lost control of his message, and is overexposed. Clarice Feldman of American Thinker produced a dispositive commentary showing that Obama is failing because fundamentally he is neither smart nor articulate; his intellectual dishonesty is conspicuous by its audacity and lack of shame.
But, there is something more seriously wrong: How could a new president riding in on a wave of precedented promise and goodwill have forfeited his tenure and become a lame duck in six months? His poll ratings are in free fall. In generic balloting, the Republicans have now seized a five point advantage. This truly is unbelievable. What's going on?
No narrative. Obama doesn't have a narrative. No, not a narrative about himself. He has a self-narrative, much of it fabricated, cleverly disguised or written by someone else. But this self-narrative is isolated and doesn't connect with us. He doesn't have an American narrative that draws upon the rest of us. All successful presidents have a narrative about the American character that intersects with their own where they display a command of history and reveal an authenticity at the core of their personality that resonates in a positive endearing way with the majority of Americans. We admire those presidents whose narratives not only touch our own, but who seem stronger, wiser, and smarter than we are. Presidents we admire are aspirational peers, even those whose politics don't align exactly with our own: Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, Ike, and Reagan.
But not this president. It's not so much that he's a phony, knows nothing about economics, and is historically illiterate and woefully small minded for the size of the task--all contributory of course. It's that he's not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper.
Moreover, he doesn't command our respect and is unable to appeal to our own common sense. His notions of right and wrong are repugnant and how things work just don't add up. They are not existential. His descriptions of the world we live in don't make sense and don't correspond with our experience.
In the meantime, while we've been struggling to take a measurement of this man, he's dissed just about every one of us--financiers, energy producers, banks, insurance executives, police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, post office workers, and anybody else who has a non-green job. Expect Obama to lament at his last press conference in 2012:
"For those of you I offended, I apologize. For those of you who were not offended, you just didn't give me enough time; if only I'd had a second term, I could have offended you too."
Mercifully, the Founders at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 devised a useful remedy for such a desperate state--staggered terms for both houses of the legislature and the executive. An equally abominable Congress can get voted out next year. With a new Congress, there's always hope of legislative gridlock until we vote for president again two short years after that..
Yes, small presidents do fail, Barack Obama among them. The coyotes howl but the wagon train keeps rolling along.
Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other people's money."
"When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both." - James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus


"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own." - Unknown

Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone -that they have not first taken away from someone else

 

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My apologies - Have not mastered the quote format yet.

Quoting Kreskin
What difference would that free expertise have made? None. It is what it is. Would Bush or any Rep have convinced BP (or shook them down) for 20 billion? Not a chance in a lifetime.
Bush would not have done that, he would heve done what Barton wanted done, he would have left BP to handle the leak as they saw best. BP would have done the minimum required legally (which is very little).
Bush if anything would have been even more sympathetic to BP than, Burton. Bush was an oil executive himself and as such his loyalties were with oil industry.

Point - Reading tea leaves again - No eveidence other than conjecture - next it is also easy to blame Bush for what he may have done or not done - As he is not President he is still a usefull tool for some people.

Quoting Goober
SJP Estimates from other experts were out within days disputing the size of the leak so blaming BP does not cut the mustard
Those experts were basing their conclusion upon what they saw on TV, BP did not make the actual video available until much later. BP estimates were based upon what was actually going on.

Point - Wrong again
Now, as it turned out, BP was deliberately low balling the estimates and teh experts (who had to rely on TV picture) were closer to the truth. But Obama had no way fo knowing that at that time.
Point
Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following day, April 24, Landry announced that a damaged wellhead was indeed leaking oil into the Gulf and described it as "a very serious spill".[44] BP has not given a cause for the explosion.[45] According to the US Congressional investigation the rig's blowout preventer, a fail-safe device fitted at the base of the well, built by Cameron International Corporation, had a hydraulic leak and a failed battery, and therefore failed.[

In their permit to drill the well, BP estimated the worst case flow at 162,000 barrels (6,800,000 US gallons; 25,800 cubic metres) per day.[48] After the explosion BP and the United States Coast Guard initially estimated that the wellhead was leaking only 1,000 barrels (42,000 US gallons; 160 cubic metres) per day .[44] Outside scientists quickly produced higher estimates, which presaged later increases in official numbers.[

Quoting Kreskin
How ironic it is that he's criticized for not relying on the expertise of another country. Listening to others is generally considered an act of treason and communism in the US.
Quite so, if he had put foreigners in charge and if they had screwed things up, he would also have been blamed big time.

Point
Again conjecture - He would have been seen as taking action - The spill was huge and he would reap the acclaim for averting a disaster.

I do love the " Quite so" Affectation - Not



 

ironsides

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He has a big employment problem to solve to will be goodbye Mr. President in 2012.


7.9 million jobs lost, many forever.
The recession killed off 7.9 million jobs. It's increasingly likely that many will never come back.
The government jobs report issued Friday shows that businesses have slowed their pace of hiring to a relative trickle.
"The job losses during the Great Recession were so off the chart, that even though we've gained about 600,000 private sector jobs back, we've got nearly 8 million jobs to go," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of Economic Cycle Research Institute.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/79-million-jobs-lost-many-cnnm-1248019835.html?x=0

He is losing ground.

 

Kreskin

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What are the conditions to bring those jobs back? Tax cuts? Been there done that. Deficit reduction? That would likely make the jobs issue worse.

I don't see them bringing jobs back until they start blocking the border to cheap foreign products created in markets with artificial currency values.