Obama says Keystone XL pipeline not major jobs creator

damngrumpy

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I am more sympathetic to Europe purchasing oil provided we fully refine it first.
We have to be less dependant on Americans only however, the Americans are
planning to export it to other markets. The oil we send south, that I am opposed
to period.
As for BC no the opposition is not dying down, in BC its takes a slight lull at times
but opposition is still strong. The two biggest detractors are the oil company who
lied on more than one occasion and the antics of the Premier who is clinging to
power for less than two months before her political roof falls in. The NDP are at
or above the fifty percent mark now and the Liberals who are really Federal Tories
are about to be wiped out. The present opposition is opposed to the deal.
Even Federal Tory MP'S are getting nervous. The pipeline the closing of the coast
guard station and a couple of other things are seeing Tory popularity fade a bit in
BC
 

Cliffy

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There is a line being built to go east.

The EU wil be the main buyer.
BC LNG ports are a go so the Northern Gateway line resistance is fading fast. Evil NG lines need to go through BC from N BC to LNG ports. It's all good now. They can follow the corridor. S. Korea, japan AU are enemies? Since when do pipeline companies run tankers?

We already sell "value added" synthetic and petro chems.
'We have to wake up to the crazy decisions that this government's making to change the world in a negative way.'—Chief Reuben George, Tsleil-Waututh First Nation


An alliance of First Nations leaders is preparing to fight proposed new pipelines both in the courts and through unspecified direct action.
Native leaders from both Canada and the United States were on Parliament Hill on Wednesday to underline their opposition to both the Northern Gateway and Keystone XL pipelines.

First Nations say they will fight oilsands, pipeline - Canada - CBC News

I said at the onset of this dispute and I will say it again, there will be blood spilled over the Northern Pipeline.
 

petros

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I am more sympathetic to Europe purchasing oil provided we fully refine it first.
We have to be less dependant on Americans only however, the Americans are
planning to export it to other markets. The oil we send south, that I am opposed
to period.
As for BC no the opposition is not dying down, in BC its takes a slight lull at times
but opposition is still strong. The two biggest detractors are the oil company who
lied on more than one occasion and the antics of the Premier who is clinging to
power for less than two months before her political roof falls in. The NDP are at
or above the fifty percent mark now and the Liberals who are really Federal Tories
are about to be wiped out. The present opposition is opposed to the deal.
Even Federal Tory MP'S are getting nervous. The pipeline the closing of the coast
guard station and a couple of other things are seeing Tory popularity fade a bit in
BC
It is upgraded which removes all the goodies the Canadian petrochemical and pharmaceutical, and agricultural industries demand with more than enough remaining after our own use to export.

We are exporting a base good for fuel and that's about it.

The NG lines can't go if the oil doesn't. I mentioned the word corridor. The BC economy is bankrolled on BC LNG exports and the Asia Pacific Corridor. This is all far bigger than far too many know and that is an issue that should be looked at by micro groups of opponents unable to see the macro.

First Nations say they will fight oilsands, pipeline - Canada - CBC News

I said at the onset of this dispute and I will say it again, there will be blood spilled over the Northern Pipeline.
They said that about the CPR too.
 

Christianna

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An embattled Canadian pipeline company has shut down another major crude transportation link after a leak sent oil bubbling to the surface in a small Illinois town.

Enbridge Inc. halted all oil moving through a pipeline it calls Line 6A after the leak was discovered in an industrial park in Romeoville, Ill.

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Though neither the company nor authorities could provide an estimate of how much oil leaked, the accident comes as Enbridge continues work to clean up a different spill in Michigan, where a major summer rupture of a different pipe called Line 6B contaminated a major river system.

The Illinois leak, by comparison, appears to have been relatively small, and was halted before oil could reach the nearby DuPage River, according to a spokeswoman for the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency.

The spill has, however, has raised new questions among both environmental and financial observers about the safety of Enbridge pipelines, which are capable of exporting 2.1 million barrels of oil a day, or 71 per cent of Western Canada's output.

"Enbridge has lost its ability to look the public in the eye and say, 'Trust me, our pipelines are safe,' " said Stephanie Goodwin, the B.C. director of Greenpeace, which has fiercely opposed an Enbridge plan to build a new pipeline through northern B.C. that would enable oil sands exports to Asia.

Chad Friess, a financial analyst with UBS Securities, cautioned that minor leaks are not uncommon in the pipeline industry, and that it is difficult to make a judgment until the size of the Illinois spill is known.

But, he said, "if these problems keep cropping up, it might be an indication that [Enbridge is]not keeping up maintenance."

The new spill comes as Enbridge continues to await government approval to re-open the Michigan line, which has been closed since July 26. The Illinois leak also comes at a delicate time for pipeline rival TransCanada Corp., which is fighting to convince the U.S. State Department that it can safely build a proposed new pipeline, called Keystone XL, to bring oil sands crude to the U.S. Gulf Coast.

The Michigan spill, which took place only weeks after BP capped its runaway well in the Gulf of Mexico, had already made Enbridge the focus of criticism among those who saw the accident as evidence that crude oil is a dangerous product.

The Enbridge problems have already caused a substantial dip in the value of Canadian crude, costing the industry millions a day; market sources said word of the second leak immediately sent those prices down even further.

Those problems are almost certain to be magnified if the Illinois spill causes a prolonged pipeline outage. Line 6A is a major component of the Enbridge system, carrying up to 670,000 barrels per day from Superior, Wis., to Griffith, Ind. It had become an important alternative for oil companies seeking to get their product to market.

Despite the two spills, the industry argues that it operates in a highly regulated industry and adheres to tough safety standards.

"I don't look at individual leaks as being more damaging to our reputation. I look at them as providing a better opportunity to learn," said Kim McCaig, chief operations officer for the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association.

"Compared to any other means of transportation, we are one of the best - if not the best - means of transporting that type of volume long distances across countries."
 

tay

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Bell's Brewery has filed a lawsuit against Enbridge Inc. over the placement of its dredging pad as part of the cleanup from the Kalamazoo River oil spill three years ago.

Bell's Brewery filed suit July 19 against Enbridge and the developer of a commercial park in Kalamazoo County's Comstock Township.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ordered Enbridge in March to do additional river dredging to remove more oil from bottomlands. More than 800,000 gallons were spilled when a company pipeline running from Griffith, Ind., to Sarnia, Ontario, ruptured in July 2010.

Enbridge installed a dredge pad and other equipment last month near the brewery's production facility.

Larry Bell, owner of Bell's Brewery, told 24 Hour News 8 he wants the river to be cleaned up. He just doesn't want the dredging pad next to where he makes his beer.

"We feel that these sediments, contaminated sediments, could get into our brewery and contaminate our ingredients and our beer, and put us out of business," Bell said. "We are concerned about airborne pollutants, volatile organic compounds and odor as we are downwind of this dredge pad. And that, we understand, that it is going to come into the brewery and contaminate our raw ingredients."

It isn't just Bell who has concerns. Comstock Township does as well.

"There is a chance that the dredge pad doesn't control and contain all of the contaminants of sediments. So if it were to spill over, what might it do to the well water?" Comstock Township Supervisor Ann Nieuwenhuis questioned.

Nieuwenhuis said fears arose because Enbridge didn't build the dredge pad big enough, according to U.S. Department of Environmental Quality standards.



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captain morgan

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Bell's Brewery has filed a lawsuit against Enbridge Inc. over the placement of its dredging pad as part of the cleanup from the Kalamazoo River oil spill three years ago.

Larry Bell, owner of Bell's Brewery, told 24 Hour News 8 he wants the river to be cleaned up. He just doesn't want the dredging pad next to where he makes his beer.

"We feel that these sediments, contaminated sediments, could get into our brewery and contaminate our ingredients and our beer, and put us out of business," Bell said. "We are concerned about airborne pollutants, volatile organic compounds and odor as we are downwind of this dredge pad. And that, we understand, that it is going to come into the brewery and contaminate our raw ingredients."


A law suit somewhere in the United States is news?

Also, exactly what makes Larry bell any kind of expert on this.. I'm guessing that the EPA and Enbridge picked a random spot to do the stuff.