Obama says Keystone XL pipeline not major jobs creator

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Obama says Keystone XL pipeline not major jobs creator


WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has told House Republicans he's still weighing a decision on the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada to Texas. At a closed-door gathering with the Republicans on Wednesday, Obama said jobs numbers and other benefits touted by supporters are probably exaggerated, but he did not rule out a decision to approve the pipeline, according to participants.

Nebraska Republican Rep. Lee Terry said Obama appeared "conflicted" on the pipeline, saying many of the promised jobs would be temporary, and that much of the oil would likely be exported. But Terry said Obama also indicated that dire environmental consequences predicted by pipeline opponents were exaggerated.

Terry, who supports the pipeline, said he wished Obama's comments were less negative, but he was still hopeful the project would be approved.

 

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I do agree with the statement too. A crew of 400 might do this entire operation unless it is constructed in phases that will all link together at some time. Only so many can operate the excavators and also operate the pipe installation hoists and do the back fill and tamping. The outside supplies will be pipe sections. joints and welding and relining materials. This is a big issue to the US Petroleum Industry. They don't want any foreign entity or corporate interests involeved. It hurts their Avarice and Greed motives if they don't get their way.
 

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The fact that it's not a big job creator is well known.

As for potential of a leak, I guess time will tell............





What do Canadians know about tar sands pipelines that most of us south of the border don't understand?


Western Canada is producing more crude oil than it knows what to do with. So guess where Eastern Canada is going to get crude oil from this summer? By ship from Texas.



Texas is producing (by fracking) so much sweet light crude oil from the Eagle Ford formation in Texas that it has run out of refining capacity. Eastern Canada has excess refining capacity for light sweet crude, so a deal has been cut making an exception to the U.S. crude oil export ban. Texas has excess refining capacity for heavy crude which can be processed to finished products for export to Europe and the Americas. The Keystone XL would break the bottleneck out of Canada that is slowing the rate of development of Alberta very heavy tar sands. The deal swaps clean sweet Texas crude for a super-sized pipeline transporting dangerous toxic diluted bitumen (dilbit) from Canada.


The heavy tarry substance extracted from tar sands is not oil. It has to be diluted with solvents to get it to flow. One of those solvents is carcinogenic benzene. The exact mixture of solvents is a proprietary company secret, but experience shows that it's very toxic. Experience also shows that when the diluted bitumen - dilbit - spills, the solvents evaporate and the heavy oil sticks to sediments and sinks to the bottom of rivers, lakes and ponds. It's hell to clean up.

A must read story by Inside Climate News on the "Dilbit Disaster", exposing the dangers of tar sands pipelines, begins with these chilling paragraphs.


MARSHALL, Mich.—An acrid stench had already enveloped John LaForge's five-bedroom house when he opened the door just after 6 a.m. on July 26, 2010. By the time the building contractor hurried the few feet to the refuge of his Dodge Ram pickup, his throat was stinging and his head was throbbing.
LaForge was at work excavating a basement when his wife called a couple of hours later. The odor had become even more sickening, Lorraine told him. And a fire truck was parked in front of their house, where Talmadge Creek rippled toward the Kalamazoo River.

LaForge headed home. By the time he arrived, the stink was so intense that he could barely keep his breakfast down.

Something else was wrong, too.

Water from the usually tame creek had inundated his yard, the way it often did after heavy rains. But this time a black goo coated swaths of his golf course-green grass. It stopped just 10 feet from the metal cap that marked his drinking water well. Walking on the tarry mess was like stepping on chewing gum.

LaForge said he was stooped over the creek, looking for the source of the gunk, when two men in a white truck marked Enbridge pulled up just before 10 a.m. One rushed to LaForge's open front door and disappeared inside with an air-monitoring instrument.

The man emerged less than a minute later, and uttered the words that still haunt LaForge today: It's not safe to be here. You're going to have to leave your house. Now.



http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20120626/dilbit-diluted-bitumen-enbridge-kalamazoo-river-marshall-michigan-oil-spill-6b-pipeline-epa
 

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How much value is added with the US fast becoming the worlds leading exporter of refined oil products. No jobs there I guess.
 

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A crew of 400 might do this entire operation unless it is constructed in phases that will all link together at some time. Only so many can operate the excavators and also operate the pipe installation hoists and do the back fill and tamping. The outside supplies will be pipe sections. joints and welding and relining materials.

And this shows what you don't know. 400 people trying to put in this pipeline would be at it for years if not decades. Yes only so many people can run excavators, bulldozers, and side booms but there are surveyors, welders, masses of labourers and others, not just heavy equipment operators.

As for potential of a leak, I guess time will tell............

What do Canadians know about tar sands pipelines that most of us south of the border don't understand?
the average Canadian doesn't know any more than the average American but that isn't saying much. The population of both countries is so cowed by the horror stories being spread by "eco-crusaders" that they have no interest in knowing what the real pros and cons are.



The heavy tarry substance extracted from tar sands is not oil.

OK you may have passed the Al Gore and David Suzuki eco-scare course but you fail organic chemistry.

It has to be diluted with solvents to get it to flow.

Like steam.

One of those solvents is carcinogenic benzene. The exact mixture of solvents is a proprietary company secret, but experience shows that it's very toxic.

Uh huh... its proprietary but you know it has benzene... congratulations! So do a lot of organic chemical compounds that have more than 6 carbon atoms per molecule. How much benzene does your average tank of gas have? Sure the stuff isn't good for you but it can be handled safely and much more commonly than half informed people realize.

Experience also shows that when the diluted bitumen - dilbit - spills, the solvents evaporate and the heavy oil sticks to sediments and sinks to the bottom of rivers, lakes and ponds. It's hell to clean up.

You mean like the oil spilled from the Exxon Valdez or from BP's blowout in the Gulf of Mexico?

And yes, an oil spill in your back yard is a bad thing. So is a chemical tanker tipping or train full of chemicals derailing. Many companies, over the years, have been guilty of not doing enough to prevent leaks, on BOTH sides of the border, and some of those lackadaisical efforts have had lethal consequences. However, they are NOT common place occurrences and the technology to prevent those leaks is improving all the time, so the rarity of them increases. We can dwell on horror stories from all kinds of disasters, but the real issue is once they occur, how did we learn from them?
 

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And this shows what you don't know. 400 people trying to put in this pipeline would be at it for years if not decades. Yes only so many people can run excavators, bulldozers, and side booms but there are surveyors, welders, masses of labourers and others, not just heavy equipment operators.

There's a reason why the tays of the world are relegated to flipping burgers and undergoing intense training to upsell the fries option at the drive thru window.

Apparent he (and the other 'no tangible jobs' crowd) believe that building a P/L is nothing more than snapping a 3000 mile chalk line and scratching a 6" culvert across the country as fast as a hoe can move itself (through houses, schools, roads, rivers, etc).

And yes, an oil spill in your back yard is a bad thing. So is a chemical tanker tipping or train full of chemicals derailing. Many companies, over the years, have been guilty of not doing enough to prevent leaks, on BOTH sides of the border, and some of those lackadaisical efforts have had lethal consequences. However, they are NOT common place occurrences and the technology to prevent those leaks is improving all the time, so the rarity of them increases. We can dwell on horror stories from all kinds of disasters, but the real issue is once they occur, how did we learn from them?

How about the thousands of car accidents that spill tranny fluid, gas, glycol and what not - let alone the morons that pour their used oil in the grass or down the storm drain. Much like you pointed-out, there are a myriad of 'everyday occurrences' that deliver a constant and consistent supply of toxins into the aquifers and water bodies all throughout the planet; but if you can't tax or extract extortion money, well, the cause just ain't worth it.

The truthers are quick to walk past a $20 bill to pick up a nickle on this issue.
 

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Everything the Bamster says is true. He never lies. He is the smartest man ever.
 

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Old-school is the best, besides, you'd need a steady supply of surveyors to make sure the lasers were properly aligned.... Can't have too many people employed by the P/L, now can we?
Better that than having them work as "commentators." At least if they're out there in the big square states I won't have to hear them.
 

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How is oil from th Bakken in the Dakotas going to get to refineries and sea for export? In an open ditch? Barge down the Missouri River?
 

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Well I don't flip burgers for a living and I am not a rabid environmentalist but I still don't
want the XL Pipeline to go ahead anymore than I want the one through BC to go ahead.
Canada should be looking after Canada first. If we build a pipeline we should do so
across Canada East and stop depending on foreign oil period.
Secondly we should not be shipping oil or other energy products to countries in Asia period.
China is the country we condemn the most for rights abuses and they attempt daily to steal
our assets via Internet spying. Someday we will regret that sale or any of the business we
do with them.
As for the pipeline across BC the companies, with the blessing of the present Provincial Govt.
have lied repeatedly. They even removed islands from the video to make it appear the routes
were safe. Again I am not totally against exporting some oil, but it should be product finished
(value added) in Canada before shipping. I don't think we should ship energy products or
allow potential enemies to invest in our industries either period.
As for flipping burgers I like burgers I just don't like to flip them. On the other hand many of those
young folks flipping burgers will be tomorrows business leaders. Nothing wrong with earning an
honest days pay.
 

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Y'all should be careful. Remember, Canada does fit the three criteria for American invasion:

1. You have oil.

2. You don't have nukes.

3. You didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

Yep, it might could just be about time to liberate the poor, suffering Canadians from tyranny!
 

damngrumpy

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I am not against pipelines that are operated by reputable companies.
I am opposed to shipping oil off shore to nations that given the chance
would do us harm. I am against shipping jobs offshore to anyone else
and I want to ensure Canada has all the oil it needs now and in the
future.
America is a business partner and not the great friend we think they are
in addition they are our cousins I have any number of family members
in the USA and they are friends. As a nation, not so much its business.
I am not anti American either I just think we should be aware in matters
of trade, and export/import it is a business relationship not a friends one.
 

petros

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Well I don't flip burgers for a living and I am not a rabid environmentalist but I still don't
want the XL Pipeline to go ahead anymore than I want the one through BC to go ahead.
Canada should be looking after Canada first. If we build a pipeline we should do so
across Canada East and stop depending on foreign oil period.

There is a line being built to go east.

Secondly we should not be shipping oil or other energy products to countries
in Asia period.

China is the country we condemn the most for rights abuses and they attempt
daily to stealour assets via Internet spying. Someday we will regret that sale or any of
the business we do with them.
The EU wil be the main buyer.
As for the pipeline across BC the companies, with the blessing of the present
Provincial Govt. have lied repeatedly. They even removed islands from the video to make it
appear the routes were safe. Again I am not totally against exporting some oil, but it should
be product finished(value added) in Canada before shipping. I don't think we should ship energy
products or allow potential enemies to invest in our industries either period.
BC LNG ports are a go so the Northern Gateway line resistance is fading fast. Evil NG lines need to go through BC from N BC to LNG ports. It's all good now. They can follow the corridor. S. Korea, japan AU are enemies? Since when do pipeline companies run tankers?

We already sell "value added" synthetic and petro chems.