Obama is projected to win.

jjaycee98

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With the Polsters tabulating the Electoral College votes they have projected Obama the winner with 341 votes to just 164 for McCain Approxamately 50 votes are not yet decided but all of them for McCain would not change the outcome.

As Obama is in favour of the Afgans and Iraqis taking over defence of their countries one would think that Nato will withdraw also. 2010 looks better all the time.
 

Kreskin

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He hasn't been swiftboated yet. That's just starting so anything is possible between now and the election.

The other thing is there are two more debates left and there's plenty of time for a candidate to present an economic game changer.

It's too soon to count chickens.
 

YoungJoonKim

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Election is a storm. It never stays the same. On that note, Obama has the winning ticket...God help us if McCain wins..
 

Praxius

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The more McCain and Palin open their mouths, the worse it looks for them..... so be it as I see it.

Let them have all the talk time they want.... they just dig themselves a deeper hole.

Sure the whole "War Hero" "Mavricks" and "Hockey Mom" crap was all well and good at the start and people jumped all over it..... the more time they have to fill in before the election, the more truth about their competence shines through to everybody.

The only thing the McCain party has to offer is another 4 years with even dumber people running the country......

to me, it's a good thing to see the polls in favor towards someone who seems to know more about what they're about be elected on.... it at least shows people in the US might actually have some brains to at least attempt to avoid going through the same old garbage like the last 8 years.

Bush was a prime example of what happens when you elect someone based on hype and empty promises with no substance or intelligence...... then again, his election was rigged anyways.... so I still have very little faith.
 

thomaska

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The more McCain and Palin open their mouths, the worse it looks for them..... so be it as I see it.

Let them have all the talk time they want.... they just dig themselves a deeper hole.

Sure the whole "War Hero" "Mavricks" and "Hockey Mom" crap was all well and good at the start and people jumped all over it..... the more time they have to fill in before the election, the more truth about their competence shines through to everybody.

The only thing the McCain party has to offer is another 4 years with even dumber people running the country......

to me, it's a good thing to see the polls in favor towards someone who seems to know more about what they're about be elected on.... it at least shows people in the US might actually have some brains to at least attempt to avoid going through the same old garbage like the last 8 years.

Bush was a prime example of what happens when you elect someone based on hype and empty promises with no substance or intelligence...... then again, his election was rigged anyways.... so I still have very little faith.




Yes..brains aplenty here...
 

B00Mer

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Did you know that Obama is anti trade with Canada? He was against trade, then, realized what he said and changed his direction. Mainstream media don't report it hardly at all anymore. Only does it come up if they have a Republican on their show they are interviewing.

As for the Economy. McCain and Obama are essentially neck and neck. This should be a runaway for Obama and it isn't. That should deeply worry the Democrats. I think it does and they keep shifting the focus.

Obama does not like Alberta oil, so if Alberta takes a hit, so does the rest of Canada.. housing prices and transfer payments.

 
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Praxius

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Did you know that Obama is anti trade with Canada? He was against trade, then, realized what he said and changed his direction. Mainstream media don't report it hardly at all anymore. Only does it come up if they have a Republican on their show they are interviewing.

I couldn't care less myself.... trash NAFTA..... good.... abolish the damn thing. We never needed it before, we certainly don't need it now. The only thing it helps is the US to suck out our resources.

There are plenty of people on both sides of the borders who hate NAFTA for many various reasons..... If Obama trashes NAFTA, I say good.

Here's a little breakdown on how wonderful NAFTA has been so far for Canada:

http://www.echeat.com/essay.php?t=31053

"NAFTA, which was implemented Jan 1, 1994, has become more of a burden to the Canadian economy and citizens than previously thought. Clearly, from the statistics described further on in this paper, many Canadians are experiencing negative emotions towards the so-called “free trade” agreement, which is ending rules to protect the public and our natural resources. This is a realistic, yet tragic example of the accumulation of profits of international corporations at the expense of the lives and livelihood of Canadian citizens. Deregulation means ending the rules that protect Canadian society from U.S economic domination. The NAFTA agreements are the cause of these deregulations and the loss of economic and environmental protections.

Propriety of the environment has been a major part of Canadian social ethic for the past decade. For those who think it is possible to still protect the environment under NAFTA, ask the farmers or the logging industry who are having difficulty making ends meet. Canada has environmental agreements under NAFTA, which are of no benefit to farmers, particularly, within Saskatchewan, where upwards of 60% total exports to the U.S involve wheat. The U.S industry seems to be so absorbed in the “bottom line” and attraction to large investors, that they don’t care about the producers behind their profits. All NAFTA does is allow the U.S to attain Canadian goods at a very cheap price and then set tariffs on our softwood lumber and wholesale grain prices. The motivation appears to be one of greed......."

No more NAFTA?


As for the Economy. McCain and Obama are essentially neck and neck. This should be a runaway for Obama and it isn't. That should deeply worry the Democrats. I think it does and they keep shifting the focus.

Last I checked, it was McCain who keeps shifting the focus from the economy.... case in point is his and Palin's attempt to link him to "Homegrown Terrorists" ~ Which in itself is a petty grasp.

Obama does not like Alberta oil, so if Alberta takes a hit, so does the rest of Canada..

That'll teach Harper and many others not to shove all the resources of Canada into one project, but to spread it around evenly accross the Nation.

That's what the government's supposed to do..... represent the entire nation, not just the spots that can make them the best buck.

Ask me why someone like myself in Nova Scotia should give a sh*t what happens to Alberta? You already got the majority of our workers, and if the country's economy goes into the crapper..... well.... then you all can live like we do here in the Maritimes..... see how the shoe fits. It's not like it can get much worse here then it already is.

So far I've hear nothing that sways my perspective.....

Look at all the bad things Obama could bring to the US, Canada and the rest of the world..... now look at all the bad things McCain and his Ass-Clown Palin will bring to the US, Canada and the rest of the world......

Lesser of two evils as I see it.
 

thomaska

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I still tend to think that the polls may be a little wrong. Not just wishful thinking..I'm just saying that I think there are quite a few people who are afraid to say, "No, I'm not voting for the Obama"

Why are they afraid? Because the usual follow up question to the above sentence is, "Why, because he's black?"

Who wants to deal with that? I'd rather have a sit down with the Jehova's Witness people for an hour than be told why a guy with 142 more days experience in Govt work than my trash man has, should be the leader of the free world.

So when an Pollster walks up to someone's front door wearing a huge "Hope For Change" button, most everyday people will just say, "Yeah, yeah, I'll vote for him", rather than be harangued by some koolaid drinker with no job.

At any rate, I don't think it will matter much who wins, nothing will change, and in six months you folks here at CC will hate him as much as you hate Bush for one reason or another...but then by liberal media standards, that will of course make you all racists.:smile:
 

Praxius

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I still tend to think that the polls may be a little wrong. Not just wishful thinking..I'm just saying that I think there are quite a few people who are afraid to say, "No, I'm not voting for the Obama"

Why are they afraid? Because the usual follow up question to the above sentence is, "Why, because he's black?"

Who wants to deal with that? I'd rather have a sit down with the Jehova's Witness people for an hour than be told why a guy with 142 more days experience in Govt work than my trash man has, should be the leader of the free world.

So when an Pollster walks up to someone's front door wearing a huge "Hope For Change" button, most everyday people will just say, "Yeah, yeah, I'll vote for him", rather than be harangued by some koolaid drinker with no job.

At any rate, I don't think it will matter much who wins, nothing will change, and in six months you folks here at CC will hate him as much as you hate Bush for one reason or another...but then by liberal media standards, that will of course make you all racists.:smile:

Yeah you're probably right on that.... minus the racist remark. The only time I call someone a racist when referencing Obama is when they oppose him without any reasonable justification except him being black or "Muslim" If someone presents an actual plan or proposal he will act on that they disagree with, by all means.... fill your boots.

But I'm certainly not revolving around Obama for the simple fact that he's Black.... just like how I'm not liking Palin just because she's female...... she's simply a moron that needs no explination other then to listen to her when she opens her mouth.

I doubt either (Obama or McCain) will be able to haul the US out of the mess Bush created and eventually one of them is gonna piss off a lot of people.

You just can't please everybody.....

But my two main reasons why I lean toward Obama moreso then McCain are:

#1 - McCain is part of the same party as the monkey currently in power, has voted and backed the majority of what Bush has done and overall, by his plans and his tactics, seems more of just the same.

#2 - Obama has for the most part, stayed focused on the main issues and spelled out some decent guidlines on how he's going to deal with certain things...... while McCain and Palin seem to run around and around and around the questions and concerns.

Based on those two things alone, that is what sways my judgement.

Sure both could be just as corrupt and bad for the country as the other..... but when it comes to presenting the most competent person for the job, in my opinion, Obama seems to hold his ground a lot better.

That is why I lean towards him being the best for president..... but that doesn't mean I don't think he holds a chance at screwing everything and everybody up.

That's just the chance you gotta make sometimes.

Sorta like how I'm gonna vote NDP, rather then the typical Conservatives or Liberal spin cycle..... the NDP hasn't run the country yet, has usually only been in 3rd place at best..... however in this election, they have had the strongest and most straight forward platform and answers then any of the other parties.....

Do I know what they will actually do if/when they get into power? No.... nobody knows...... but I do know what we've been getting from the same two parties since forever now and what we can expect in the future..... a whole lot of screw overs and the same old garbage.
 
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talloola

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And, McCain has come to a realistic conclusion that he is going to lose the election, SO,
just watch the debate tonight. McCain is going to try to rip Obama apart with personal
attacks, and try to link him to people who they think will tear down his reputation.
They have obviously come to the end, and have nothing 'concrete' to put forward, so
now the 'REAL' republican face is starting to show, and the swiftboating will start, which
is a last ditch effort to make people come to their side.

Same ole, same ole, it worked last time against Kerry, lets see if the people get 'sucked' in
again, because in the end, the smut and lies seem to 'work', which is a dirty rotton shame.