Obama better toughen up or risk being written off

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You have to be joking. All the vial evil lies on the Internet about Sarah Palin. Please, they have enough troll surfing the internet - Obamabots.


Selective reading on your part, buddy. The reich wingers have been having a field day atacking Obama from day one.
 

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Besides, so what if he's Muslim. If you're all about the nwo, what does it matter what religion you are? Evil is evil, no matter what mask it's wearing.
 

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It's a little difficult for us in Canada to understand what exactly Obama means to the USA. For example the Blue Jays have a black coach; how many other black coaches in baseball are there?
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Good question. I am trying to find that out as we speak.

But a serious question here. What is the relevance with regards to baseball? Should the MLB be forced to hire African-American coaches? What about Hispanic coaches. I do not think there are any. Japanese coaches? Should the race of the coaches reflect the percentage or race break down of players?

But not just African-Americans coaches...many of the black players are from the Caribbean. Should black caribbean coaches be hired in lieu of African Americans?
 

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There are two important things to note

Despite the 'separation of church and state' thing, nobody will ever be elected President of the US unless they are a good Christian.

Gender and Race will be used as a tool in any election, just the same as breeding and military records are used. All is fair in elections, and what may not be blatantly stated will be suggested by innuendo and suggestion. Both sides are the same, it's the way the game is played. It's far easier to make nasty suggestions about your opponent than to make clear cut statements on your own behalf.
 

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There are two important things to note

Despite the 'separation of church and state' thing, nobody will ever be elected President of the US unless they are a good Christian.

Gender and Race will be used as a tool in any election, just the same as breeding and military records are used. All is fair in elections, and what may not be blatantly stated will be suggested by innuendo and suggestion. Both sides are the same, it's the way the game is played. It's far easier to make nasty suggestions about your opponent than to make clear cut statements on your own behalf.

So true.

Politics is a nasty business. Each side will use whatever they can to discredit, embarrass, etc. the other candidate. The goal is to get elected. The idea of elections just based issues is a dream. Both the Democrats and GOP are guilty of this and will continue to conduct campaigns with these tactics. That is how they win.

Take Clinton vs Bush Sr. Bush Sr. raised taxes and went against his original campaign promise. The taxes he raised was presented to him by the Democrat controlled congress and he approved them as a compromise to get some of his legislation approved. Well Clinton jumped all over it with the "Read my lips" barrage. It did not matter the reasons why he raised taxes, it was a great campaign tactic and it worked.

The same was done when Bush Sr. rolled all over Dukakis with the Willie Horton incident. Dukakis was Governor of Mass when a prisoner (Willie Horton) on work release escaped and murdered someone. Bush Sr. used that plus the silly picture of Dukakis wearing a big tank helmet. Those worked great for him.
 

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"nobody will ever be elected President of the US unless they are a good Christian."



McLame is still living in adultery according to Christian law. But this will not keep him from winning in November.
 

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"nobody will ever be elected President of the US unless they are a good Christian."



McLame is still living in adultery according to Christian law. But this will not keep him from winning in November.


Clinton was a good Christian?

Huh, who knew?:lol:
 
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What really scares me is this----the american people hold all the strings to the state of the
world. They, with each of their votes, have the power to put a person in charge of the
country 'that' can wield the sword of war and arrogance, and dictate to 'all' what they want
from 'all', and 'who' they are going to fight with, or be friends with.

So, we sit up here in our own country and watch, as they listen to all of this 'so called'
campaigning, which is- how much dirt can the republicans throw toward Obama, and how
many lies can they tell, as, in the end, that sort of campaigning 'works', as it seems the
american people live on 'trash stories' and 'smut', and that brings me back to my opening
remark, those are the people who will elect the next american president, for reasons
that have nothing to do with 'positively' leading the american people successfully through
the next four years, at the same time helping them out of the mess they are in, but because of abortion or anti abortion?Because of liking a woman better
than a man, or a white man better than a black man, or people who want religion in
the white house, or not, or will they allow a black family in the white house?

All of the problems the u.s. have, have nothing to do with any
of the above, and the people don't seem to care about the real issues at all,for, as soon
as the republicans see that the people are starting to notice 'real' issues, they start
up another smutty story and throw it toward Obama, as that will quickly catch their
attention again, so they won't notice how mismanaged the government is, and how much
they have hurt the u.s. over the past 8 years,

I am now believing the republicans will be re elected on the premise that, the people believe
the McCain gossip and lies, and racial stuff, and gender stuff, and really don't grasp the real
issues at all, but prefer to feed off of the 'crap' that comes from the media, as the media also
isn't interested in real issues either, but rather, their own ratings and competition with each other.

The 'people' have the power and control, but they won't use it in a positive way, they
will make their decision out of ignorance.
That is really scary, that much power, that little knowledge. It is true they are electing their own president,
but the spin off of that election will effect all of us all across the world, and we have to sit up here helpless,
and watch them cast the votes that will affect 'all' of us over the next few years.

They have all of us in the palm of their hands, how scary is that? Very.
 
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YoungJoonKim

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I'm scared.
If McCain is elected, I'm seriously going to think about buying a bomb shelter with OSAP money.

EagleSmack, answer the question...please.
Don't dodge it like some right-wing bastards.
 

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Palin says U.S. could have to defend Georgia

In her first interview as the Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called Thursday for NATO to admit the former Soviet republic of Georgia, acknowledging that such a move could lead the United States into a military confrontation with Russia.

According to a partial transcript of the interview published Thursday evening by ABC News, Palin, 44, whose foreign policy credentials have been questioned since she was chosen two weeks ago to be Sen. John McCain’s running mate, said Washington should consider economic sanctions against Russia.

Palin criticized Russia’s incursion into the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia last month, saying: “We’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable.”

“We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia,” she said. “The support that we can show is economic sanctions, perhaps, against Russia, if this is what it leads to.”

Georgia has applied for membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the U.S.-led Western military alliance, which last month proposed establishing a commission to expedite negotiations. Palin said Thursday that Georgia should be admitted, along with Ukraine, another former Soviet republic.

Asked whether the terms of the NATO treaty would require the United States to come to Georgia’s defense in a confrontation with Russia, Palin said: “Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help. ...

“We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today,” she said.

Palin says she’s ready
Palin rejected criticism of her experience, saying she “didn’t hesitate” when McCain asked her to join the Republican ticket.

“When John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, we’ll be ready. I’m ready,” she said.

Palin said she had been closely involved with “energy independence” during her 20 months as governor and her position as the current chairwoman of thre multistate Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission.

“Energy is a foundation to national security,” she said.

Palin also said she had some “insight” into Russia because “they are our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.” But she acknowledged that she had never met a foreign head of state.

ABC released only partial excerpts and transcripts of its discussions with Palin on Thursday. It said it would air more material throughout Thursday evening and Friday, culminating in a one-hour broadcast Friday night.

Source
 

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I do not understand the problem with her statement.

Georgia has lost, permanently, the breakaway states.........due largely to their own stuoidity.

Russia has shown itself to be increasingly aggressive. NATO exists to check that aggression. Ukraine should be in NATO. Georgia should be accepted if she acknowledges the loss of her breakaway states as permanent.......thus forestalling any aggressive military action on her part......if that is even possible.

If Putin wishes to play the great power game, as he does, the curtain will fall again. Let's make sure it is on the western borders of those nations that have stepped forward and are fledgling democracies.....

And yes, if any country (including Russia) attacks a NATO member, all NATO members go to war. That's how it works.

She said nothing wrong.
 

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I do not understand the problem with her statement.

Georgia has lost, permanently, the breakaway states.........due largely to their own stuoidity.

Russia has shown itself to be increasingly aggressive. NATO exists to check that aggression. Ukraine should be in NATO. Georgia should be accepted if she acknowledges the loss of her breakaway states as permanent.......thus forestalling any aggressive military action on her part......if that is even possible.

If Putin wishes to play the great power game, as he does, the curtain will fall again. Let's make sure it is on the western borders of those nations that have stepped forward and are fledgling democracies.....

And yes, if any country (including Russia) attacks a NATO member, all NATO members go to war. That's how it works.

She said nothing wrong.

What is it with you cons and your love of war?

It doesn't mean war at all, it could lead to war, I assume economic sanctions and diplomacy would be used first.

It's not as if Georgia is all that innocent in this thing either.

No surprise to me at all that Iraq happened with neo-con logic......even though you can't find one now that supports it.:roll:
 

Kreskin

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Isn't it time CHANGE came to Washington? The Republicans aren't capable of fostering good relations with anyone. This military nonsense of their's is a poison on the planet. You can't attack non-threatening nations on a pre-emptive basis using lies and deceitful excuses and not expect dangerous consequences. Didn't Einstein say, for every reaction there's an equal reaction? It's pretty much the law of nature. It's not like the old Reagan days when the US was capable of spending the Soviets out of existance. The Russians have lots of oil money. Reagan's old tactics wouldn't work today. Tough talk and the creation of threatening military alliances against the Russians will undoubtedly result in their own military expansion. Probably right into Cuba.
 

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I do not understand the problem with her statement.

Georgia has lost, permanently, the breakaway states.........due largely to their own stuoidity.
You're assuming those states want to be part of Georgia.

Russia has shown itself to be increasingly aggressive. NATO exists to check that aggression. Ukraine should be in NATO. Georgia should be accepted if she acknowledges the loss of her breakaway states as permanent.......thus forestalling any aggressive military action on her part......if that is even possible.
I am not convinced that Georgia is totally innocent, nor is Russia, we are being fed
information from the U.S., so we better check other sources before believing all that
they say.

And yes, if any country (including Russia) attacks a NATO member, all NATO members go to war. That's how it works.

She said nothing wrong
Not sure why her opinion should mean anything, as, once McCain wins the election, she will shuffled to a back office somewhere, and never be heard from again, she is being used to gain votes, and nothing else.
 
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Colpy

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I do not understand the problem with her statement.

Georgia has lost, permanently, the breakaway states.........due largely to their own stuoidity.
You're assuming those states want to be part of Georgia.

Actually, I meant the breakaway states are gone because of the stupidity of the Georgian leaders............

Russia has shown itself to be increasingly aggressive. NATO exists to check that aggression. Ukraine should be in NATO. Georgia should be accepted if she acknowledges the loss of her breakaway states as permanent.......thus forestalling any aggressive military action on her part......if that is even possible.

I am not convinced that Georgia is totally innocent, nor is Russia, we are being fed
information from the U.S., so we better check other sources before believing all that
they say.

See above......Georgia is not innocent, but what has not been reported very well is the the USA discouraged Georgia from poking the bear......

And yes, if any country (including Russia) attacks a NATO member, all NATO members go to war. That's how it works.


She said nothing wrong
Not sure why her opinion should mean anything, as, once McCain wins the election, she will shuffled to a back office somewhere, and never be heard from again, she is being used to gain votes, and nothing else.

McCain is 72.....the average lifespan of a North American male is 75.......
 

Kreskin

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Have you guys heard the rumour that Biden might resign so Hillary becomes VP nominee?