Nova Scotia may turn Orange

Colpy

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darkbeaver said:
We will elect an NDP government in Nova Scotia this week, this will inspire a popular uprising of the people which will sweep accross the country and crush the neo-con pricks, Alberta will be nationalized and Ralph Klien and Preston Manning will be hung, maybe.

I think that your interest in the personal parts of Preston and Ralph is very telling........... :D

That's will be HANGED, if you mean strung up by the neck.
 

Vicious

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My point is not that it is any different form the Montreal or Toronto subway systems! My point is that these communities are given funds for massive and expensive infastructure projects while medium sized cities in the Maritimes and other places lose out. Some could argue that the suburbs of Toronto where most people in the GTA live are unfairly subsidising, paying equalisation if you will, in order for urbaintes of Toronto to use rapid transit. The same can be said of provinces and equalisation: Some provinces and cities receive large amounts of funds to build rapid transit lines while others Edmonton or Victoria are given much less. In any case these grants are not tallied into the equalisation formula, though in effect they could be seen as a subsidy since the federal government has no juridiction in the area of local transportation (highways being a different matter).
WORKING TOGETHER TO IMPROVE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND HALIFAX HARBOUR WATER QUALITY

HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY, Nova Scotia - Residents of the Halifax Regional Municipality (HRM) will benefit from improved wastewater treatment and quality of water in the Halifax Harbour thanks to an enhanced partnership between the Government of Canada and HRM.

The Honourable Geoff Regan, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, accompanied by His Worship, Mayor Peter J. Kelly, today announced that the Government of Canada will now invest $60 million toward wastewater treatment plants key to the Halifax Harbour Solutions Project. With an increase of $30 million in federal funding, HRM will now be able to invest in other components of the Project and extend its positive impact.

HALIFAX WEST COMMUNITY THEATRE RECEIVES FEDERAL FUNDING
Halifax, Nova Scotia

Community groups and students in the western portion of Halifax will soon have a new theatre and auditorium thanks to funding announced today by the Government of Canada.

Theatre Halifax will receive a $367,000 in federal funding, through provisions in the Canada-Nova Scotia Infrastructure Program. The announcement was made by Fisheries and Oceans Minister, the Honourable Geoff Regan, on behalf of ACOA Minister, the Honourable Joseph McGuire.

Infrastructure Canada-Nova Scotia Partnership to Invest more than $195 million in Nova Scotia Communities

October 4, 2000

Halifax, Nova Scotia October 4, 2000 - The Honourable Lucienne Robillard, President of the Treasury Board of Canada, Minister responsible for Infrastructure and Member of Parliament for Westmount - Ville-Marie, and the Honourable John Hamm, Premier of Nova Scotia and the Hon. Angus MacIsaac, Minister for Service Nova Scotia and Municipal Relations, participated in the formal signing of the six-year Infrastructure Canada-Nova Scotia partnership agreement in Halifax this afternoon.

This agreement will mean a total investment of $195.846 million in infrastructure for Nova Scotia, with equal contributions from the federal, provincial and municipal governments.


The Premier and the Ministers agreed the partnership is an excellent example of how different orders of government can work together for the benefit of Canadians.

I can't find how much the Canadian governement ponied up for the Confederation bridge project - anyone know?
 

LittleRunningGag

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Re: RE: Nova Scotia may turn Orange

Colpy said:
Well, I was a left-wing loonie, then my brain stem (over time) became fully attached...........:)

Seriously, my main concern is liberty, and as I grew, I began to realize that the greatest threats to our liberty came from the left, not the right.

It is simple really.

Government can not be trusted, as it will draw all power possible to itself.

therefore, the more government, the less liberty.

Simple formula.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could find a party that was for smaller government, and didn't have a whole bunch of social baggage? A party that truely wants less government; instead of a party that wants less government here, and more government there?

* sigh *
 

LittleRunningGag

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darkbeaver said:
We will elect an NDP government in Nova Scotia this week, this will inspire a popular uprising of the people which will sweep accross the country and crush the neo-con pricks, Alberta will be nationalized and Ralph Klien and Preston Manning will be hung, maybe.

:lol:

If you hang King Ralph, what will Albertans do for fun? We need Ralph. He supplies much needed comic relief.
 

Toro

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BitWhys said:
good post, but right there is where you and I differ in opinion. I don't think what Rae did was a mistake. For example, even leaving out the ooky spooky "stimulative" effect of which Keynesian critics make more of an issue than Keynes ever did, in the first year alone without the provincial government's deficit spending Ontario would have seen a collapse in the economy of -7.26% instead of the -3.85% it realized.

That's hard to say.

Usually, the relationship isn't linear.

Often, the economy has a "natural" point at which it will stabilize, with or without the stimulus. Was the economy bottoming at the time the stimulus began?

Its similar to the Wall Street Journal saying the tax cuts are what rescued the economy because the economy began turning when the tax cuts occurred. Is it cause and effect or is it happenstance? I think it was happenstance.
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: Nova Scotia may turn

LittleRunningGag said:
darkbeaver said:
We will elect an NDP government in Nova Scotia this week, this will inspire a popular uprising of the people which will sweep accross the country and crush the neo-con pricks, Alberta will be nationalized and Ralph Klien and Preston Manning will be hung, maybe.

:lol:

If you hang King Ralph, what will Albertans do for fun? We need Ralph. He supplies much needed comic relief.

We'll hang him very slowly. :lol:
 

BitWhys

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so the $10B+ Rae spent in that first year would have otherwise found its way into the economy HOW exactly?
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: Nova Scotia may turn

Colpy said:
darkbeaver said:
We will elect an NDP government in Nova Scotia this week, this will inspire a popular uprising of the people which will sweep accross the country and crush the neo-con pricks, Alberta will be nationalized and Ralph Klien and Preston Manning will be hung, maybe.

I think that your interest in the personal parts of Preston and Ralph is very telling........... :D

That's will be HANGED, if you mean strung up by the neck.

You can be hunged too. :lol:
 

Jay

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so the $10B+ Rae spent in that first year would have otherwise found its way into the economy HOW exactly?

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't that what we have Employment Insurance for?

Did we have to go that far into debt over this recession?
 

BitWhys

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if you didn't mind the economy dipping another 4% in the first year alone, of course you didn't.
 

BitWhys

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StatsCan for Ontario's GDP, CPI and deficits. spreadsheet for the rest.
 

BitWhys

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deficit spending purchases goods and services in the market, adds to aggregate demand and, as you mentioned, unless those goods and services are in limited supply and would be otherwise sold elsewhere (definitely not Ontario's overall problem at the time) contributes dollar for dollar to the GDP.

there's another "unless" but I'd rather wait for someone to mention it.
 

BitWhys

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and to answer the question you edited out, I never gave it much thought but although it can of course be effectively argued that well directed tax cuts can be a useful mechanism in heading off a recession I would be inclined to suspect the top-loaded variety Bush cooked up would be the most likely out of a wide range of options to accomplish little more than restoking the bubble.
 

Toro

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The reason why I asked specifically about the Bush tax cuts was because its an example of attributing false causality (or at least the last tax cuts). The conservatives in America argue that the economy began to turn the quarter the final tax cuts were implemented, ergo the economy turned because of the tax cuts. (I've seen this graphically depicted several times and I will post it if I find it again.) This is highly unlikely since there is a lag anytime a new fiscal policy is implemented. Thus its certainly false for the Republicans to claim the last tax cuts ended the recession.

Recessions have a natural bottoming point, just like expansions have a natural topping point. What happens is that when the recession has both lowered costs and reduced inventory to a certain point, the investment cycle will begin again because the lower costs and reduced inventory will raise prospective returns. This investment will increase jobs, which will spur demand. (However, it is only clear that the bottom of the recession has occurred ex-post. And the amplitudes of this cycle have been lessening over the past few decades for several reasons, but due at least in part to better understanding of fiscal and monetary policy.)

This is important because one should not to mix up cause and effect. And it is also why its incorrect to plug and play a few numbers by adding and subtracting in an excel spreadsheet and draw any big conclusions, as anyone who has taken econometrics would testify.

To demonstate, take an extreme example. Let's say the NDP government increased the deficit by 3% to to buy a rocket from the United States so they could put it at Queen's Park so everyone could admire it. Would one then come to the conclusion that the economy would have been 3% less if they hadn't purchased that rocket? No.

I lived in Ontario during the beginning then again at the end of Rae's term, and what I recall at the beginning of his term was that he was increasing spending on items that wouldn't much alleviate the economic problems while jacking up the deficit. I believe he increaed civil servants salaries quite a bit, only then to rescind part of those raises through his "Rae Days." Now, there's nothing necessarily wrong increasing pay for government employees, but its not the best way to stimulate the economy when deficit financing. (Similarly, a poor way to stimulate the economy in a recession is to cut the estate tax.) That's what I meant earlier about respecting Rae later in his term since he acknowledged his mistake, reversed course and swam against the tide of his party for the good of the province.

Anyways, this is a far cry from Nova Scotia.

By "turning orange", I guess that means Nova Scotians will be cheering for Holland at the World Cup, eh?
 

athabaska

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The NDP's Achilles heel is the way the faithful wrap themselves in Canadian flags and chant nationalistic slogans like some Manson cult.

'Canada good. USA bad'

'Ottawa knows best'

'Big brother good. Centralized power good'

Rah, rah, rah, wave the flag and flout nationalism like it's some type of badge of honour when in fact it distorts the view of the left on many issues.

Waving Canadian flags as a solution to pragmatic issues will never give the NDP support in Quebec or Alberta and less and less in other western provinces.

The irony is that many early socialists saw nationalism and flag waving as a a force for working people to overcome. Somewhere along the line socialism and nationalism have become even more welded than they have on the far right.

NDPers have become those annoying people at a party who need to tell everyone that 'This actor' is really a Canadian or 'That movie' was filmed in Canada or Margaret Atwood and Gordon Lghtfoot will be sainted by the Catholic church when they die.