Not too much coming out of Afghanistan

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Is that in response to the NYTimes article that lays out why America is still wanting to send it's kids to die in Afghanistan like Obama and Bush did?

I approach what I read from the NYTimes from a skeptical point that needs verification after all their failings, particularly since 9/11, which is why I put the Eric Margolis article up as well, but occasionally they hit a home run with a story like this revealing how Corporates are trying to control the American military for their advantage....


Jimmy also explores the story........


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The Taliban called on President Donald Trump on Tuesday to review the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and to hold peaceful dialogue directly with Afghans instead of engaging "corrupt" politicians.

Written in a tone of negotiation, the Taliban asked Trump to study the "historical mistakes" of his predecessors and to withdraw troops from Afghanistan completely.

The letter urged the United States to interact with Afghans "generously" instead of imposing war.


"It seems to be a historical mistake on the part of the previous administrations to have dispatched American youth for the slaughter of Afghans. However, as a responsible American president, you need to study the mistakes of your predecessors and prevent death and injury to American forces in Afghanistan," it said.

Afghanistan was invaded by the US in 2001 and has become Washington's longest military intervention since Vietnam. It has also been the costliest with more than $100bn spent.

"American youth are not born to be killed in the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan in order to establish the writ of thieves and corrupt officials and neither would their parents approve of them killing civilians in Afghanistan," the letter said.

The Taliban also accused Afghan politicians and generals of protracting the war and occupation for personal gain.

"A number of warmongering congressmen and generals in Afghanistan are pressing you to protract the war in Afghanistan because they seek to preserve their military privileges, but instead you must act responsibly as the fate of many Americans and Afghans alike is tied to this issue."

Afghanistan's interior ministry declined to comment when contacted by Al Jazeera.

In a press conference on Monday, US Defense Secretary James Mattis said all options for Afghanistan remained on the table, and a full withdrawal of troops is one of them.

Trump has yet to announce a strategy for Afghanistan, but Mattis said one is "very, very close".

Possible plans include sending thousands more troops into the nearly 16-year conflict, or taking the opposite tack and pulling out, leaving private military contractors to help the Afghans oversee the fragile security situation.

Erik Prince, founder of the private security company Blackwater, has offered his private military force for Afghanistan, proposing a two-year plan in which American troops - aside from a handful of special forces - would be replaced by his army of about 5,500 contractors who would train Afghan soldiers and join them in the fight against the Taliban.

However, the Taliban said privatising the war effort would be a grave mistake.

If the war can't be won with "professional US and NATO troops ... you shall never be able to win it with mercenaries, notorious contractor firms, and immoral stooges", the Taliban letter said.

Taliban letter to Trump urges US to leave Afghanistan | Afghanistan News | Al Jazeera
 

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Fearful Villagers See the U.S. Using Afghanistan as a “Playground for Their Weapons”

The province of Nangarhar, in eastern Afghanistan, is bearing the brunt of ongoing U.S. airstrikes against the Taliban and fighters who have declared allegiance to the Islamic State. Half of July’s U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan – at least 358 strikes – took place in eastern Nangarhar, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. And according to United Nations data released last month, U.S. strikes in Nangarhar are more likely to result in civilian casualties than strikes anywhere else the country.

On July 23, one of these strikes reportedly killed at least eight civilians, including children, who were attending a funeral, allegations of which the U.S. military is investigating.

Just last week, Afghan officials said that a U.S. attack in Nangarhar killed 16 civilians, including women and children. A spokesman for the U.S. military denied those claims, saying that the strike was “against militants [who] were observed loading weapons into a vehicle.”

But in the remote and dangerous areas where most of these strikes take place, it is often impossible to know the true identities of the victims, and many strikes go unreported. And among local villagers, distrust of both the United States and President Ashraf Ghani’s U.S.-backed government runs high.

In interviews with The Intercept this past May, villagers in Khogyani, a Taliban-controlled district of Nangarhar, described living with the threat of U.S. Special Operations ground raids and regular drone strikes. Few foreigners visit Khogyani, and even Afghans from the provincial capital, Jalalabad, prefer to avoid its villages, where insurgents rule the ground and U.S. warplanes haunt the skies.

“A few days ago, another drone strike took place. The victims were innocent farmers and their women and children,” said Shafiqullah, a driver from Basakhel.

When the Trump administration dropped the so-called “mother of all bombs” on an alleged ISIS hideout in Nangarhar in April, the Afghan government reported that more than 90 ISIS militants had been killed. The Pentagon refused to provide a number, and the U.S. and Afghan military blocked access to the strike zone, preventing outside observers and journalists from entering.

For many locals in Khogyani, which lies about an hour away from Achin, the use of the bomb was just another example of what they perceive as U.S. aggression, whether directed at Taliban insurgents or ISIS fighters.

“As usual, they had killed civilians and wanted to hide their crimes,” said Mustafa, a student from the village of Basakhel. “The U.S. is abusing our country as a playground for their weapons.”

Since the emergence of ISIS-allied militants in Afghanistan in 2015, the United States, working with Afghan forces, has reportedly killed a high number of militants through a series of airstrikes, conducted by both conventional aircraft and drones. In most cases, the identities of the alleged insurgents have not been verified, and most strikes are not investigated, opening up the possibility that many more civilians have been killed.

“The United States has been carrying out increasing numbers of air and drone strikes as this year has gone on, and a lot of them have been in Nangarhar. The full toll of these strikes in lives is not known because independent investigation is not possible,” said Jack Serle, who has been tracking drone strikes in Afghanistan since 2014 for the BIJ.

Since neither the U.S. nor the Afghan army often has access to the areas they are bombing, such as Khogyani, they rely on signals intelligence from electronic communications, and imagery taken from above. “This suggests that [the] civilian death toll will be higher than what little data we have shows, and higher than the U.S. and Afghan military realize,” said Serle.

Khogyani locals have noticed that airstrikes have increased since Donald Trump became president. “We faced war and destruction also during Obama’s era but since Trump took over the presidency, the strikes increased hugely,” said Esmatullah Bashari, a Taliban-allied commander in the district. Both local civilians and members of the Taliban maintain that most of the victims have been noncombatants.

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https://theintercept.com/2017/08/15...fghanistan-as-a-playground-for-their-weapons/
 

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Media reports claim President Donald Trump let loose on his generals behind closed doors, blasting them royally for their startling failures in Afghanistan, America’s longest war.

Trump was elected partially on his promise to get America out of all these stupid wars.
I hope he fulfills this promise.
 

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Other that heroin and body bags you mean.

Trump was elected partially on his promise to get America out of all these stupid wars.
I hope he fulfills this promise.
3 1/2 years to go before that call can be made. There are other places that will be just as drama orientated as Donald 'the wild card' Trump can be. The ones with no headlines are the important ones. Friday 3pm news and then nothing, . . ever.
 
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This past June, Canada took a pass on an invitation from NATO to jump back into the Afghan conflict.

With hindsight, every indication is that Canadian forces avoided a painful and increasingly dangerous mission to pull Afghanistan out of its nosedive.

"We remain committed to helping Afghanistan build a stable, secure, prosperous and democratic country," said Natasha Nystrom of Global Affairs Canada.

That commitment, however, did not extend to matching U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to increase U.S. forces in the country.

"Canada is not currently planning to send military personnel to the Resolute Support mission," said Nystrom, referring to the NATO-led mission that began in 2015.

The specific task that Canadians were asked to perform — training Afghan forces — became even more dangerous this year, with no fewer than 52 "insider attacks" against their Afghan comrades and against Western trainers recorded up to Aug. 15.

Meanwhile, the forces Canada was invited to train continued to melt away. The Afghan National Army shrank by 5,000 troops this year, and the Afghan National Police suffered a net loss of 4,000.

Those losses are caused by a combination of combat casualties, desertions and defections to the Taliban. The Afghan government has been recruiting aggressively, but remains unable to stem the bleeding.

John Sopko, the U.S. government's special inspector-general for Afghanistan reconstruction, says the losses are the most worrying trend facing the country.

The continuing lack of army and police officers "undermines the viability of the Kabul government and impedes U.S. efforts to disengage from combat operations in Afghanistan," he wrote in a report released Monday. "Clearly, the time is ripe to ask why an undertaking begun in 2002 and costing $70 billion has — so far — not yielded bigger dividends."

The report lays out a series of metrics that reveal trends in the Afghan war. All are headed in the wrong direction.

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As Canada ignores NATO's request, Afghanistan slips further into chaos - World - CBC News
 

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Without the record afghani heroin money laundering, wall street, and the USD will collapse.
Which would leave the US a third world cess pit.
 

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Afghanistan has an even more important export than H. OBL and his ragtag group has netted the US and Cohorts more than the drugs. Too bad we keep getting new examples of the lows our gov will sink too. This is way over the top. Perhaps it explains the 2nd link.

Iran Denounces CIA 'Fake News' in Bin Laden Files
Iran has accused the CIA of spreading "fake news" about the Islamic republic with newly declassified files seized in the 2011 raid in Pakistan in which Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed.
The CIA on Wednesday released 470,000 additional files found in May 2011 when US Navy SEALs burst into Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad and shot him dead.
According to scholars from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), who were allowed to see the trove before it was made public, the files shed new light on the murky relationship between the Sunni extremist group and Shiite Iran.
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif dismissed the allegations.
"A record low for the reach of petrodollars: CIA & FDD fake news w/selective AlQaeda docs re: Iran can't whitewash role of US allies in 9/11," he wrote on Twitter late on Thursday.


TASS: Russian Politics & Diplomacy - Russian top brass puzzled by US general
MOSCOW, November 2. /TASS/. Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Thursday statements about the situation in eastern Syria uttered by Major-General James Gerrard, the commander of special operations of the US-led Coalition to Combat the Islamic State, could be called nothing but strange.

"Commander of special operations of the US-led Coalition General Gerrard has recently outdone all of his colleague in his illusions about what is going on in eastern Syria," he said. "Anyway, it is rather strange to hear the coalition general talk geographical nonsense about ‘thousands of Arabs’ allegedly fleeing liberated Deir ez-Zor to Mayadin [southwards] and say they are heading not to the Arab-populated south but to the north."
"Especially for the command of special operations of the US coalition," the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman pointed out that the city of Mayadin is located some 40 kilometers south of Deir ez-Zor was liberated from Islamic State militants more than two weeks ago.
"That is why thousands of Syrians are not ‘fleeing’ Deir ez-Zor to that city but are returning to their homes with humanitarian aid delivered by the Russian Center for Reconciliation of the Warring Parties and international organizations," he noted. "But no Syrian seems to be willing to flee Deir ez-Zor northwards, to liberated Raqqa. Because there is no Raqqa after bombings by the US-led coalition."


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Afghanistan has an even more important export than H. OBL and his ragtag group has netted the US and Cohorts more than the drugs. Too bad we keep getting new examples of the lows our gov will sink too. This is way over the top. Perhaps it explains the 2nd link.

The focus of this thread is Afghanistan.

Everything you posted below the first paragraph is not relevant to the thread.

See if you can find a Bin Laden thread and a Syrian thread to post that stuff in.........
 

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Yes, Mame.
Course that would mean a new thread for each as they are different countries after all. Murf the smurf is the one that owes you a check rather than me.

470,000 pages on a lightening raid?? and a lost craft.
 

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Afghanistan.

When we all first marched off to free Afghanistan it was heady times. We would be there "as long as it took". Many people - and I was one - said we cannot embark on this mission with anything less than complete dedication to it, otherwise we will be defeated.

We are defeated.

Afghanistan will fall back into the same hands we liberated it from. It already has. To the Taliban this struggle is the meaning of life. To us this struggle is a momentary distraction.

I wonder where all the cheer leaders have gotten to on this subject. As every gain is lost I don't hear much from the whole array of government people who assured us they knew what they were doing.

I remember specifically the CDS at that time was literally stumping for the mission. His words from that time would be interesting to find and look at today.
 

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Former Alberta premier Alison Redford is now a top policy adviser to the government of Afghanistan, splitting her time between Calgary and Kabul, where she is tasked with helping the war-torn country develop its oil and gas industry, and shake off what she describes as a "war economy."

Redford's new job, which she started this month, is a partnership between the World Bank and Afghanistan's Ministry of Mines and Petroleum. The government department has long been plagued by accusations of mismanagement in a country that consistently ranks on the extreme end of the global corruption index, according to Transparency International.

From Calgary to Kabul: Former Alberta premier Alison Redford lands job in Afghanistan - Edmonton - CBC News