North Korea nuke thread

Blackleaf

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and I think people here think that Bush is, for want of a better word, bullying blair

Are you drunk or something? George Bush is "bullying" Blair? What are you talking about?

If anyone's the poodle around here it's Bush and not Blair. Blair actually came up with the idea of invading Iraq 11 months BEFORE Bush came to power.

And Blair is one hundred times more intelligent than Bush. Blair is fluent in French, whereas Bush struggles with English. Bush hasn't got the brains to "bully" Blair.
 

MattUK

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But blair wanted to for different reasons.

Okay - take Bush out and replace with "America in general". Tony Blair worships the States, wants to be a President himself (Remember his dossier - "The United States of Europe"?" Bush says jump, blair asks how high.
 

Blackleaf

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Bush says jump, blair asks how high.

That's not true. A lot of the decisions in the Anglo-American Special Relationship were actually made by Blair and Bush had to follow them.

It was Blair who persuaded Bush to go ahead with the Middle East's Road Map for Peace when Bush was thhinking about abandoning it.
 

MattUK

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That's not true. A lot of the decisions in the Anglo-American Special Relationship were actually made by Blair and Bush had to follow them.

It was Blair who persuaded Bush to go ahead with the Middle East's Road Map for Peace when Bush was thhinking about abandoning it.

Just like the extradition laws that mean that the Americans can take who they like from the UK for trial, but the UK cant reciprocate that and take an American to Britain without their permission. Sounds perfectly fair to me. That was put forward by Bush and signed by Blair. Nice to see he is looking out for the good of the British public.

I agree with you though, I trust Britain the most with Nukes. I dont think Britain has ever even threatened anyone with Nukes. We just dont mention them in the course of running a war or the country. I think if you asked most Brits how many Nukes were in the UK, they would have no idea. They would probably say none as the Missile Silo's at Greenham now stand empty. I couldn't tell you where they were kept.
 

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/10/is_americas_north_korea_policy.html

October 10, 2006
Is America's North Korea Policy Working?

By Jack Kelly

In the fantasy world many liberals inhabit, every person on the planet except George W. Bush is a decent, rational human being with whom satisfactory settlements can be negotiated, if negotiations are conducted in good faith (that is, the U.S. acknowledges that tensions which exist are mostly, if not entirely, the fault of the United States).
North Korea's nuclear test this weekend has shaken this comfortable presupposition.
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il is hard to love even by those who have warm, fuzzy feelings for Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez. There just isn't much nice to say about a regime that routinely starves its people in order to build more weapons, even for people who love to say nice things about those who hate the United States.

The reported North Korean test has brought international condemnation, and has prompted an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council. The reported test also likely will spark renewed interest in ballistic missile defense, especially in light of views like this, expressed by North Korean spokesman Kim Myong Chol in the Asia Times last Friday: "A next war will better be called the American war because the main theater will be the continental U.S., with major cities transformed into towering infernos."
So why don't I share in the general alarm?
First, North Korea has been suspected of having the bomb since at least 1998, and declared that it did in 2002. The test merely confirms what was already widely supposed.
Second, the bang wasn't very big. South Korean and U.S. estimates place it at roughly half a kiloton. This means the test probably was a dud, said Jeffrey Lewis, director of the Managing the Atom project at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
"A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki," Mr. Lewis wrote on the Defensetech Web site Monday. "No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever."
Third, the test has alarmed the South Koreans, who are rethinking their appeasement policy toward the North, and angered the Chinese, without whose continued support the North Korean regime cannot survive.
When they were developing their bombs in the 1990s, neither India nor Pakistan announced their nuclear tests in advance. Kim did, because he uses brinksmanship as a negotiating ploy, one which in this instance seems to have backfired.
"If Kim Jong Il deliberately timed the test to coincide with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's visit first to Beijing and then to Seoul, he may have dreadfully miscalculated," wrote Donald Kirk in the Asia Times Monday.
Kim's Stalinist policies have so screwed up North Korea's economy that only massive shipments of food and fuel -- most of it provided by and nearly all of it funneled through -- China, keep the country barely afloat. If China were ever to cut off the largesse, the regime would collapse.
China has resisted using threat of an aid cutoff as a negotiating tool in part because it fears the consequences of a North Korean collapse (tens of thousands of starving refugees flooding into Manchuria), and in part because China enjoys the migraines North Korea gives South Korea, Japan and the U.S. But North Korea's provocations are changing the calculus.
A North Korean nuke means Japan, and possibly South Korea, will obtain nuclear weapons of their own, a development China would very much like to prevent.
The six party talks (about getting North Korea to abandon its nuclear program) have been going nowhere because China and South Korea have been unwilling to shake meaningful sticks at Kim's regime. But that calculus is changing.

Josh Manchester, a former Marine whose Web log (Adventures of Chester) is must reading for serious students of national security policy, thinks the test proves "American policy against North Korea is working.
"That policy, in a nutshell, is this: use all methods short of war to harm the economy of North Korea, making it impossible for that government to raise revenue from illicit activities, and thereby more and more difficult to retain power or fund its nuclear ambitions. "This creates cascading effects that work in favor of the U.S: the possibility of a North Korean collapse forces China and South Korea to consider changing their stances in the six party talks, making it more likely the (five) will agree on a unified plan to de-nuke the peninsula, and that North Korea will have no choice but to accept."​
 

Kreskin

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Are you drunk or something? George Bush is "bullying" Blair? What are you talking about?

If anyone's the poodle around here it's Bush and not Blair. Blair actually came up with the idea of invading Iraq 11 months BEFORE Bush came to power.

And Blair is one hundred times more intelligent than Bush. Blair is fluent in French, whereas Bush struggles with English. Bush hasn't got the brains to "bully" Blair.

Bush's handlers had this all figured out well before Blair got involved. Rumsfeld etal signed the war document while Clinton was fending off the sex police.
 

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It's a good thing the West is so united against an oppressive regime in North Korea. It's a sovereign country, they can do whatever they want within their borders. Keep people uneducated, in merciless poverty, with no human rights, no court system to defend them (unless of course they are communists), keep them brainwashed and with no dissent against the government. BUT, let's stick it to the US and develop nukes, the leftist nutbars in the West will buy it at least. Viva La Revolution!
 

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Liberals keep asking why President Bush didn't invade North Korea well the answer is simple Seoul, South Korea would have been wiped off the face of the Earth with North Korea firing everything they have into it possibly killing Millions. Not every country can be dealt with like Saddam and Iraq were..
 

Kreskin

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I want to know why Bush didn't take Kim out to a nudie bar for a few gallons of beau se jour red.

In vino veritas!
 

Johnny Utah

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I want to know why Bush didn't take Kim out to a nudie bar for a few gallons of beau se jour red.

In vino veritas!

Well because Kim Jong Mental Il only has eyes for one woman Madeline Albright, the min they met it was true love..
:rolleyes:
 

CDNBear

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Well Japan just cut off all trade with NK. That is a 180 million dollar a year loss in revinue between the two Nations.
 

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North Korea and Iran

Published October 11, 2006

North Korea's claim to have tested a nuclear weapon, specious or not, can only heighten concern that the regime might try to transfer nuclear weapons technology to a terrorist group or a rogue regime like Iran, which is attempting to develop nuclear weapons.

Given North Korea's extensive history of providing missile technology and weaponry to a wide array of serial proliferators and rogue states -- including Iran, Syria, Libya, Libya and Pakistan -- it is clear that the communist government, desperate for foreign exchange to prop up a collapsing economy, has little reluctance to sell destabilizing military items to anyone who can afford them.


Iran's relationship with North Korea is particularly close. The two governments have a military relationship dating back to the late 1980s, and according to the State Department, one or more Iranian officials were present in July when North Korea conducted flight tests of seven missiles including the long-range Taepodong-2. Iran has played a major role in financing North Korean missile production efforts. The Wisconsin Project on nuclear arms control reports that during the late 1980s, North Korea sold Scud-type missiles and Scud production technology to Iran. In the mid-1990s there were reports that Iranian scientists and technicians had enjoyed direct access to missile plants in North Korea. Just prior to the first test of Iran's Nodong missile in May 1993, the director of Iran's Defense Industries Organization visited North Korea. The following year, the commander of North Korea's air force led a delegation to Iran that included military and nuclear experts.

Since that time, the relationship between the two nations' military establishments has flourished, and there have been a spate of reports on the missile trade between the two sides. In August 2004, the Associated Press reported that North Korea was using Iran as a test site for new nuclear-capable missiles. In December 2004, the U.S. government imposed trade sanctions on Changgwang Sinyong Corp. -- the fifth time since 2000 that the North Korean missile exporter had been caught violating the Iran Nonproliferation Act, which bars foreign companies from making missile-related sales to Iran.

Intelligence reports from several years ago indicated that North Korea was engaged in a covert effort to develop a uranium-based nuclear program in collaboration with Abdul Qadeer Khan, a Pakistani scientist whose network supplied centrifuges and information on nuclear weapons designs to Iran, North Korea and Libya.

Chinese-language documents on building a nuclear warhead for missiles were found in Libya, supplied by associates of the Khan proliferation network. U.S. officials believe that Iran and North Korea received similar warhead design documents.

Giving these technology transfer reports a measure of added menace are North Korea's prior threats to "transfer" its nuclear weapons to other parties. It made these threats in April 2003 during trilateral talks in Beijing and repeated them four months later during the Six-Party Talks on North Korea's nuclear weapons program. Raising the specter of blackmail, in December 2003, Pyongyang offered to refrain from transferring nuclear weapons in exchange for unspecified rewards.




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#juan

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It doesn't seem to matter that the the U.S. has tested hundreds of nuclear devices, above ground, in the Nevada desert, It further doesn't matter that American citizens living in that area downwind of the nuclear tests suffer a higher incidence of many types of cancers. The U.S. has actually burned citizens of other countries with their bomb testing.

Now, North Korea sets off an apparently safe, underground test, inside their borders, and everyone has a heart attack. I would say North Korea's actions were every bit as legal, if not more legal than the tests the Americans conducted.