Nick... the house/apartment you live in...the food you eat...the computer you are typing away on... the lines that run into your house and the places they originate from... the car you drive and the roads you drive on...etc. No scars?
North American Shale
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Nick... the house/apartment you live in...the food you eat...the computer you are typing away on... the lines that run into your house and the places they originate from... the car you drive and the roads you drive on...etc. No scars?
What's your point ? That our failure to learn from our mistakes in the past means we have a blank cheque to keep on making them indefinately ?
Oooooh documentaries. Well that clears it all up.
How can I prove it doesn't? 70,000 frakked well that don't have issues.
So miniscule that doesn't matter.
How many people are killed annually by trees frakking rock for resources?
Not at all. But we aren't going back to the Colonial Era either.
And I have a hunch you are taking advantage of every bit of technology that comes out if it is within your budget.
BINGO!!!
between 2004 and 2010, 2,620 fatal landslides killed a total of 32,322 people. Damn those trees for frakking the planet
If those damn trees weren't frakking the planet to make soil, we wouldn't have this problem.
You should see what grass did to my sidewalk.
We aren't doing anything different than what a root does.
I'll go to their houses and insist they return all the trees they were made of back to the forest. We still live in mud and stick homes. The sticks are straight and the mud is between two sheets of paper. Are we really that modern?
I've seen one of those documentaries too, and it was pretty awful. Especially the whole 'now we have gas bubbling up' bit, since plenty of water wells throughout north America have been flammable since we started punching holes in the ground.
You can substantiate that ? A statistic published for the Marcellus Shale development in Pennsylvania puts the documented failure rate at about seven percent, but there are complaints that inspection and reporting protocols are letting a large number escape scrutiny. I'm not sure where your figure of 70,000 comes from, but applying the seven percent failure rate to that number would mean 5000 leaking wells. For discussion's sake, there are over half a million producing gas wells in the US alone today, with estimates that about 90% of those having been frakked.
Like I said, it's not so much the extent of production that concerns me as the "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" attitude that does.
Sorry, I'm missing the relevance of this line of thought.
In Penn sh*tloads of urbanites moved to the country and started poking hundreds of thousands of holes for well water. Methane is very common in well water and has always been in well water when you have hundreds of thousands of yuppies poking holes for water what do you think happens to aquifers?
Did your documentary mention that?
Who is inspecting the work of a water well driller?
Did your documentary mention that?
Who is inspecting the work of a water well driller?
"Who is inspecting the work of a water well driller?"
Good question. Do you have an answer for it or does it simply not matter? I'm just saying let's have a closer look. Writing off a plethora of complaints as quackery and extremism falls under "contempt prior to investigation" and doesn't rank high on the smart-things-to-do list. Assuming that big oil is operating with the best interests of the environment ahead of the best interests of their own bottom line probably has a place on that list too. As it stands now there are a number of pretty good cases against them and little coming out of them in response besides unsupported denial and suggestions that the problem was always there. Frankly I can't see a lot of people willing to build on land with no drinkable water, but there is no shortage of people who have undrinkable water that showed up after the gas wells arrived. Do you not think this is worth a closer look?
Good question. Do you have an answer for it or does it simply not matter? I'm just saying let's have a closer look. Writing off a plethora of complaints as quackery and extremism falls under "contempt prior to investigation" and doesn't rank high on the smart-things-to-do list. Assuming that big oil is operating with the best interests of the environment ahead of the best interests of their own bottom line probably has a place on that list too. As it stands now there are a number of pretty good cases against them and little coming out of them in response besides unsupported denial and suggestions that the problem was always there. Frankly I can't see a lot of people willing to build on land with no drinkable water, but there is no shortage of people who have undrinkable water that showed up after the gas wells arrived. Do you not think this is worth a closer look?
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With 70,000 frakked wells in Nor Am the evidence would be overwhelming IF there were problems.
According to my research the number of frakked wells in North America is closer to the half million mark, and depending on who you listen to there is overwhelming evidence. Who are you listening to ?
But hey, I'm always willing to listen to a well thought out, informed argument. Why don't you post a link or two that state the case in favour of gas well frakking ?
Why are the issues largely centered around PA? They should be nationwide and equal. Does PA have problems with a surge in septic tanks and water well construction?
Hmm... in a couple of ways it doesn't make sense. The US accounts for 14% of Saudi crude, and 3% of Saudi refined, for an overall average of 8% of Saudi hydrocarbon exports, so they're not as dependant on US sales as people might think.
Factor in rising demand from India and China, and it looks to me like the Saudi's will simply redirect where they're shipping it too.