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JLM

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قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كُنتُ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّيَ وَآتَانِي رَحْمَةً مِّنْ عِندِهِ فَعُمِّيَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا وَأَنتُمْ لَهَا كَارِهُونَ



وَقَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ يَنبُوعًا .
أَوْ تَكُونَ لَكَ جَنَّةٌ مِّن نَّخِيلٍ وَعِنَبٍ فَتُفَجِّرَ الأَنْهَارَ خِلالَهَا تَفْجِيرًا .
أَوْ تُسْقِطَ السَّمَاء كَمَا زَعَمْتَ عَلَيْنَا كِسَفًا أَوْ تَأْتِيَ بِاللّهِ وَالْمَلآئِكَةِ قَبِيلاً .
أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاء وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إَلاَّ بَشَرًا رَّسُولاً



Methinks ya need a head doctor. :lol::lol::lol:
Where do ya buy one of those fancy keyboards??:lol::lol::lol:
 

eanassir

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Doesn't surprise me at all that the option of inserting it by force would occur to you, conversion at the point of a sword is well documented in the history of Islam, but all it shows is the bankruptcy of your position. You're right that it'd be impossible, but if I'm ever at the point of that sword, which I've no doubt you would gleefully wield if you could, I'll just lie to save my life and get away as soon as I can. That's the real issue I have with you proselytizing true believers, you're so sure you're right you think you have both a right and a duty to force your beliefs on others for their own good. I think that is beneath contempt.

Ha ha ha; Dexter, do you think so?

So are we then the Mongol and Tatar [Gog and Mogog?]

This is not true; nothing like that: on the contrary no compulsion in the religion as in the Quran 2: 256
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
([There can be] no compulsion in religion [: none can compel you to be disbelievers;]
the correct way [of the Islam] has been made distinct from the error [of the association and idolatry.]
And anyone [of you] rejects [Abu-Jahl] the tyrant, and believes in God [Alone, ascribing no associates to Him,] has indeed grasped a firm handhold [of the ship] which is not detachable, [so he will not be drowned and will be safe of Hell if he follows the religion of the Islam.]
God is All-Hearing [of your words], All-Knowing [of your intentions, O disbelievers!]

Certainly, the Prophet instructed them (and he himself started such campaigns), but when they conquered many countries [In fact God gave all that to them without much fighting]; their purpose was to abolish the idolatry, and they spared Jews and Christians leaving them to their worship and heavenly books. They did not compel people to convert, but most people found that more logical than their idolatry and association; that's it;
and their caliph instructed them: "Don't kill the wounded, don't kill women and children, don't kill the elederly; don't cut any tree; don't wrong people …etc. But fight only against those who fight against you." So why do many people who know this be silent about this and go to some points incited by some fanatic people to oppose the religion of God by such pretexts.
www.quran-ayat.com

Methinks ya need a head doctor. :lol::lol::lol:
Where do ya buy one of those fancy keyboards??:lol::lol::lol:

Yuthink me need a head doctor? See yar head first :lol:
 

Dexter Sinister

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Therefore, whether "copy and paste" or not: if correct discuss it, and if not show it is wrong.
Many of us have tried that, but you're so convinced you're right you're impenetrable, you just deny. You've posted some incredible nonsense in science threads based on the Quran, been proven wrong, and you pay no attention. You should have quit CC when you said you would, instead of coming back with more of the same crap. You've convinced exactly no one, and in fact done nothing but show how limited your thinking is. Look at your posts, all 2300 or so of them, and ask yourself how many of them do not cite the Quran in support of whatever point you're trying to make. Try thinking for yourself instead of following the words of someone who's been dead for 1400 years.

Ha ha ha; Dexter, do you think so?
Yes I do.
 

AnnaG

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The Quran is not any superstition, neither is any nonsense.

This is what you kept asserting from the start and refusing to understand and investigate the Quran: fearing maybe lest you should convert; because of the false image about the Quran inserted in your mind background.

So shall I insert it by force in your brain; this will certainly be impossible.

As did Noah say to his people who rejected him before their drowning in the deluge; which is in the Quran 11: 28

قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كُنتُ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّيَ وَآتَانِي رَحْمَةً مِّنْ عِندِهِ فَعُمِّيَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا وَأَنتُمْ لَهَا كَارِهُونَ


The explanation:
([Noah] said: "My people tell me your opinion: that if I rely on an obvious [guidance depending on revelation] from my Lord, and He gave to me [the prophethood as] a blessing from Him,

and it has been obscured for you [so you have denied it, then what will your fate be?]

and shall we compel you to [recognize] it, the while to it you are averse?")


I think it will be useless to talk to you (and karrie) anymore;
but I shall give you this nice text of the Quran 17: 90-93 about the denial of the people of Prophet Mohammed, and what they demanded of him:
وَقَالُواْ لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الأَرْضِ يَنبُوعًا .
أَوْ تَكُونَ لَكَ جَنَّةٌ مِّن نَّخِيلٍ وَعِنَبٍ فَتُفَجِّرَ الأَنْهَارَ خِلالَهَا تَفْجِيرًا .
أَوْ تُسْقِطَ السَّمَاء كَمَا زَعَمْتَ عَلَيْنَا كِسَفًا أَوْ تَأْتِيَ بِاللّهِ وَالْمَلآئِكَةِ قَبِيلاً .
أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاء وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنتُ إَلاَّ بَشَرًا رَّسُولاً

The explanation:
(And they say: "We will not believe you [Mohammed] till you cause, for us, a [water] spring to gush forth from the earth [in this desert]."

"Or you have a garden of date palms and grapes, and [in this desert] cause rivers [like the rivers of Iraq: Tigris and Euphrates] to flow, amidst them, [after] gushing forth [of the springs.]"

"Or you make the sky to fall down, as you claim, upon us as pieces [of stones];

Or you bring [us] God and the angels before us as a warrant [to testify for us that you truly are the apostle of God.]"

"Or you have a house decorated [with gold: like the palaces of Kisra the king of Persia],

Or you ascend up into heaven, and even then we will not believe your ascension till you bring down for us a book [like the tablets of Moses] that we can read."

Say [O Mohammed]: "Glory be to my Lord! Am I nothing but a mortal, a messenger!?")

Hearsay from a talking vegetable.

Everyone believes some ideas and disbelieves other ideas; so why do you object, while your words are what you believe?

Therefore, whether "copy and paste" or not: if correct discuss it, and if not show it is wrong.
It's been done time and time again, but you can't accept anything as being contradictory to your superstitious nonsense. That's what Karrie said as being the reason you are not worth discussing anything with.

Moreover, what you call "copy and paste" is what I myself have translated and published in books some of them printed by some printing bookhouses in Lebanon and may be elsewhere;
Anyone can publish anything. That doesn't make it true or false. Facts make things true and prove fiction to be fiction. Hearsay is not necessarily fact.

and it is the interpretation of the Glorious Quran by the inspired interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly who spoke only that which he heard and not from himself.
See the books here in English
www.quran-ayat.com

and in Arabic here
English
al Hilly is human and therefore subject to mistakes and bias. Like I said, anyone can publish anything. Just because you can read something does not make it real.


Ha ha ha; Dexter, do you think so?

So are we then the Mongol and Tatar [Gog and Mogog?]

This is not true; nothing like that: on the contrary no compulsion in the religion as in the Quran 2: 256
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
([There can be] no compulsion in religion [: none can compel you to be disbelievers;]
the correct way [of the Islam] has been made distinct from the error [of the association and idolatry.]
And anyone [of you] rejects [Abu-Jahl] the tyrant, and believes in God [Alone, ascribing no associates to Him,] has indeed grasped a firm handhold [of the ship] which is not detachable, [so he will not be drowned and will be safe of Hell if he follows the religion of the Islam.]
God is All-Hearing [of your words], All-Knowing [of your intentions, O disbelievers!]

Certainly, the Prophet instructed them (and he himself started such campaigns), but when they conquered many countries [In fact God gave all that to them without much fighting]; their purpose was to abolish the idolatry, and they spared Jews and Christians leaving them to their worship and heavenly books. They did not compel people to convert, but most people found that more logical than their idolatry and association; that's it;
and their caliph instructed them: "Don't kill the wounded, don't kill women and children, don't kill the elederly; don't cut any tree; don't wrong people …etc. But fight only against those who fight against you." So why do many people who know this be silent about this and go to some points incited by some fanatic people to oppose the religion of God by such pretexts.
www.quran-ayat.com
More hearsay from a talking vegetable.