Non-Coalition Coalition that’s Definitely NOT a Coalition…

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So the shaky Liberal/NDP coalition is spending more borrowed money on the backs of already beleaguered taxpayers in a vain attempt for re-election.
1733082091770.jpegRather than address serious issues (health care, immigration, spiralling debt levels) they choose once again to bamboozle (they think) gullible Canadian voters.
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Not this time! Shame on these Liberal/NDP politicians for attempting to bribe voters with their own money. Taxpayers are not the collective lemmings they think they are.
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Weeks of speculation over how a lengthy impasse in the House of Commons would be halted to address critical parliamentary business ended Monday, when Speaker Greg Fergus intervened to pause the standoff???

In a rare move, Fergus delivered a ruling in the lower chamber that temporarily suspended the stalemate, allowing for both the Conservatives and the New Democrats to control the parliamentary agenda for four days, and for MPs to greenlight $21.6 billion in proposed spending.

The four so-called opposition days, and Ottawa’s supplementary estimates, needed to be dealt with by Dec. 10, which is when the government’s supply period ends.

But the chances of that happening had been looking nail-bitingly slim as the calendar flipped to December, and a weeks-long privilege debate in the House of Commons showed no signs of slowing down.

Since late September, Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives have gummed up most parliamentary proceedings in an effort to compel the Liberal government to cough up unredacted documents tied to a now-defunct green technology funding agency that was riddled with mismanagement issues.

Because Fergus had ruled that the issue should take precedence over other parliamentary business, that debate — and a separate privilege motion concerning former Liberal cabinet minister Randy Boissonault’s former business partner — blocked other key parliamentary matters from moving forward.
One of those matters is set to be a test of confidence in Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government — and a test for their former governing partners, the NDP.

The first opposition motion will hit the Commons floor on Thursday, when the Conservatives will attempt to pressure other opposition parties to declare lost confidence in the Trudeau government.

The motion draws on critical language the NDP’s Jagmeet Singh has used in the past to lambaste Trudeau, in an effort to compel the New Democrats to join the Conservatives in toppling the Liberals under the current minority Parliament scenario.
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That motion is set to be voted on Dec. 9. But that vote will be tangled up in a series of others: the NDP will table an opposition motion of their own later this week, which will go to a vote on the same day. Two other Conservative opposition motions will be dealt with the following day. And by that night – Dec. 10 – billions of dollars in proposed spending for initiatives like military procurement projects, national affordability programs, and aid for Ukraine, will also go to a vote.

“Common sense Conservatives are eager to end Canadians’ suffering after nine years of Justin Trudeau and….and are giving Sellout Jagmeet Singh yet another opportunity to put the people before his pension and vote non-confidence to trigger a carbon tax election,” Conservative House Leader Andrew Scheer said in a statement late Monday afternoon.

The statement contradicted the Conservatives’ decision earlier in the day to vote against Government House Leader Karina Gould’s offer that morning to designate Dec. 2 a Tory opposition day, which would have allowed them to move their motion days earlier.

In making his Monday ruling, Fergus referred to a point of order raised by Bloc Québécois MP Alain Therrien, who asked last month what would happen in a hypothetical scenario in which the two privilege matters had not concluded in a timely manner.

At the time, Fergus requested that each party’s House leader work together to resolve the impasse on their own.

“The discussions do not seem to have been productive,” Fergus said Monday.

Debate on the first privilege motion will briefly continue on Dec. 9, before fully resuming after the opposition days and supplementary estimates are handled.

Or….& this is crazy, but….or the Liberals could just turn over the unredacted documents for the Green Slush Fund parliament ordered them to produce back in what? Initially May? Something like more than 1/2 a year ago?
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(Remember when this was the latest latest latest latest Liberal scandal? Pepperridge Farms remembers…)
 

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Weeks of speculation over how a lengthy impasse in the House of Commons would be halted to address critical parliamentary business ended Monday, when Speaker Greg Fergus intervened to pause the standoff???

In a rare move, Fergus delivered a ruling in the lower chamber that temporarily suspended the stalemate, allowing for both the Conservatives and the New Democrats to control the parliamentary agenda for four days, and for MPs to greenlight $21.6 billion in proposed spending.

The four so-called opposition days, and Ottawa’s supplementary estimates, needed to be dealt with by Dec. 10, which is when the government’s supply period ends.

But the chances of that happening had been looking nail-bitingly slim as the calendar flipped to December, and a weeks-long privilege debate in the House of Commons showed no signs of slowing down.

Since late September, Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives have gummed up most parliamentary proceedings in an effort to compel the Liberal government to cough up unredacted documents tied to a now-defunct green technology funding agency that was riddled with mismanagement issues.

Because Fergus had ruled that the issue should take precedence over other parliamentary business, that debate — and a separate privilege motion concerning former Liberal cabinet minister Randy Boissonault’s former business partner — blocked other key parliamentary matters from moving forward.
One of those matters is set to be a test of confidence in Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government — and a test for their former governing partners, the NDP.

The first opposition motion will hit the Commons floor on Thursday, when the Conservatives will attempt to pressure other opposition parties to declare lost confidence in the Trudeau government.

The motion draws on critical language the NDP’s Jagmeet Singh has used in the past to lambaste Trudeau, in an effort to compel the New Democrats to join the Conservatives in toppling the Liberals under the current minority Parliament scenario.
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That motion is set to be voted on Dec. 9. But that vote will be tangled up in a series of others: the NDP will table an opposition motion of their own later this week, which will go to a vote on the same day. Two other Conservative opposition motions will be dealt with the following day. And by that night – Dec. 10 – billions of dollars in proposed spending for initiatives like military procurement projects, national affordability programs, and aid for Ukraine, will also go to a vote.

“Common sense Conservatives are eager to end Canadians’ suffering after nine years of Justin Trudeau and….and are giving Sellout Jagmeet Singh yet another opportunity to put the people before his pension and vote non-confidence to trigger a carbon tax election,” Conservative House Leader Andrew Scheer said in a statement late Monday afternoon.

The statement contradicted the Conservatives’ decision earlier in the day to vote against Government House Leader Karina Gould’s offer that morning to designate Dec. 2 a Tory opposition day, which would have allowed them to move their motion days earlier.

In making his Monday ruling, Fergus referred to a point of order raised by Bloc Québécois MP Alain Therrien, who asked last month what would happen in a hypothetical scenario in which the two privilege matters had not concluded in a timely manner.

At the time, Fergus requested that each party’s House leader work together to resolve the impasse on their own.

“The discussions do not seem to have been productive,” Fergus said Monday.

Debate on the first privilege motion will briefly continue on Dec. 9, before fully resuming after the opposition days and supplementary estimates are handled.

Or….& this is crazy, but….or the Liberals could just turn over the unredacted documents for the Green Slush Fund parliament ordered them to produce back in what? Initially May? Something like more than 1/2 a year ago?
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(Remember when this was the latest latest latest latest Liberal scandal? Pepperridge Farms remembers…)
Remember open , honest and transparent was the Liberal policy prior to 2015 election . How long did that last ?
 

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Conservatives will soon put forward three confidence motions after the Speaker of the House of Commons ruled that the Liberals will face four opposition days in the coming week, “temporarily” ending a two-month filibuster.
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In a statement to the National Post, Conservative House Leader Andrew Scheer confirmed that the first confidence motion will be debated on Thursday.
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The party introduced its motion last week, using NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh’s own words by stating “the Liberals are too weak, too selfish and too beholden to corporate interests to fight for people”.

“The House agrees with the leader of the NDP and the House declares that it has lost confidence in the Prime Minister and the government,” reads the motion.

The Bloc intends to support the Conservatives, while the NDP does not appear inclined to do so. If the Liberals survive such a vote, the Conservatives promised to put forward two more confidence motions on Monday and Tuesday of next week.
The Conservatives have already tried twice to bring down the government this fall. Each time, the NDP came to the Liberals’ rescue.

The NDP will have an opposition day on Friday and will announce the subject of the party’s motion on Wednesday, but it seems unlikely that the party will introduce a confidence motion.😁
 

Ron in Regina

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“SURPRISE!!! SURPRISINGLY not surprising!”
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The Conservatives plan to introduce a motion that quotes Singh's own criticism of the Liberals, and asks the House of Commons to declare that it agrees with Singh and has no confidence in the government.
The motion is expected to be introduced on Thursday and the debate and vote are set for Monday.
With the NDP's expected support, the Liberals should survive this next confidence vote brought forward by the Conservatives…for a change?

Earlier on Tuesday, Singh did acknowledge that the Conservatives have a sizeable lead on the NDP in public opinion polls…
1733279245397.jpeg…while giving a campaign-style speech to visiting party staffers from across the country. The NDP are scheduled to have their opposition day on Friday.

What are the odds that the Liberals will support the NDP if they’re not absolutely batshit crazy? Singh will want funding for his partial daycare thing, & his partial dental thing, etc…& the Libs will get the throw open the taps financially again….Before the adults come in to start clean up after them in less than a year.

The non-confidence vote was scheduled after Speaker Greg Fergus intervened to pause a filibuster on a privilege debate about a green technology fund.

The Conservatives have said they would only end that debate if the NDP agree to topple the government or if the Liberals turn over unredacted documents at the centre of the parliamentary gridlock.

“Mr. Speaker, you yourself ruled that the NDP-Liberals have violated a House order to turn over evidence to the police for a criminal investigation into their corruption,” deputy Conservative leader Melissa Lantsman said.

“They’re defying your ruling and they’ve ground this place to a halt. The auditor said that there’s 400 million tax dollars and 186 conflicts of interest in question. Canadians can get accountability today if they hand over the documents to the police. So what’s in those documents and how bad is it?”
 

Ron in Regina

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Last week, the House of Commons approved the government’s plan to temporarily suspend the GST on select items from Dec. 14 to Feb. 15, at an estimated cost of $1.6 billion (the legislation now goes to the Senate for approval). The government has delayed the “$250 cheques” plan to potentially accommodate NDP demands to expand eligibility to include seniors (the original proposal would have sent cheques to an estimated 18.7 million Canadians at a cost of $4.7 billion).

Trudeau’s minority Liberal government was unsurprisingly able to get Bill C-78 passed in Parliament with NDP support.
Neither one of these proposals will incentivize Canadians to work and invest; therefore these proposals won’t help raise living standards. To help drive economic growth, create jobs and provide more economic opportunities for workers across the income spectrum, the federal government should reduce the overall tax burden on workers and businesses, and make Canada a more attractive place to work and invest.
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Despite any claims of a “vibecession,” Canadians remain mired in an actual recession in their standard of living. Freeland’s comments once again prove this government is disconnected from the reality many Canadians face. It’s not just bad vibes — the data shows Canadians are actually worse off today than they were in 2019.
“’It’s really, really easy’ when people are in short-term survival mode worried about being ‘able to pay the rent this month’ and ‘buy groceries for my kids to say ‘okay: let’s put climate change as a slightly lower priority,’” Trudeau said.

“And that’s something that’s instinctive, when the storm comes you want to hunker down and just sort of huddle up and wait for it to blow over.”

“We can’t do that around climate change … It’s going to take a will of citizens to say ‘yes, it does matter that I fight deforestation in Indonesia, it does matter that we’re battling floods and famine and some of the weather impacts in sub-Saharan Africa or in Asia.’”
 
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Last week, the House of Commons approved the government’s plan to temporarily suspend the GST on select items from Dec. 14 to Feb. 15, at an estimated cost of $1.6 billion (the legislation now goes to the Senate for approval). The government has delayed the “$250 cheques” plan to potentially accommodate NDP demands to expand eligibility to include seniors (the original proposal would have sent cheques to an estimated 18.7 million Canadians at a cost of $4.7 billion).

Trudeau’s minority Liberal government was unsurprisingly able to get Bill C-78 passed in Parliament with NDP support.
Neither one of these proposals will incentivize Canadians to work and invest; therefore these proposals won’t help raise living standards. To help drive economic growth, create jobs and provide more economic opportunities for workers across the income spectrum, the federal government should reduce the overall tax burden on workers and businesses, and make Canada a more attractive place to work and invest.
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Despite any claims of a “vibecession,” Canadians remain mired in an actual recession in their standard of living. Freeland’s comments once again prove this government is disconnected from the reality many Canadians face. It’s not just bad vibes — the data shows Canadians are actually worse off today than they were in 2019.
“’It’s really, really easy’ when people are in short-term survival mode worried about being ‘able to pay the rent this month’ and ‘buy groceries for my kids to say ‘okay: let’s put climate change as a slightly lower priority,’” Trudeau said.

“And that’s something that’s instinctive, when the storm comes you want to hunker down and just sort of huddle up and wait for it to blow over.”

“We can’t do that around climate change … It’s going to take a will of citizens to say ‘yes, it does matter that I fight deforestation in Indonesia, it does matter that we’re battling floods and famine and some of the weather impacts in sub-Saharan Africa or in Asia.’”
Who cares about deforestation in Indonesia ? If they destroy natural habitat to plant palm or rubber trees what does that have to do with climate change ?
 

Ron in Regina

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Fergus ruled that the now months-long debate that's blocked most other House business from advancing can take a back seat temporarily, so that remaining "supply" or opposition days and the supplementary estimates can be delt with.

"A privilege motion must take priority over all other orders of the day, still, this practice is not absolute," Fergus said. "The Standing Orders require the House to dispose of supply matters by Dec.10."

The Speaker ordered that this Thursday and Friday, and then next Monday and Tuesday will all be allotted as opposition days….& the NDP gets to speak too.
 

Ron in Regina

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Or….& this is crazy, but….or the Liberals could just turn over the unredacted documents for the Green Slush Fund parliament ordered them to produce back in what? Initially May? Something like more than 1/2 a year ago?
OTTAWA—The Liberal government’s decision to cleave its controversial online harms legislation into two on Wednesday was framed by the federal justice minister as the quickest way to prioritize child safety in a Parliament he says the opposition Conservatives have plunged into paralysis (???).
(The government has been unable to put any of its own business before the House of Commons for a few months now, and the Conservatives on Thursday said that's the result of Liberal "corruption”)
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The widespread calls from civil liberties, human rights and religious minority groups to split up the bill were not one of the primary reasons Arif Virani said was behind the decision, though he acknowledged that some had been “suggesting” he make the move.

“What we looked at in September was a parliamentary calendar that had three months’ worth of time. In three months’ worth of time, we've had exactly one day of debate dedicated to this bill. Is that frustrating for me? You're absolutely right, that's frustrating for me,” Virani told reporters.
Or….& this is crazy, but….or the Liberals could just turn over the unredacted documents for the Green Slush Fund parliament ordered them to produce back in what? Initially May? Something like more than 1/2 a year ago?
…etc…The legislation at issue is the Trudeau Liberals’ proposed solution to dangerous content on the internet: a sweeping bill that has drawn praise for its efforts to hold social media platforms accountable for the content they host, and criticism for changes to the Criminal Code and Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) that some say polices free speech.

On Wednesday, Virani announced that all four parts of the bill will be split into two groups.
One legislative track will deal with the parts of the bill that “mostly” address harmful content directed at children. The first of those parts is the Online Harms Act, which would require social media platforms — including livestreaming and adult-content services — to minimize exposure to seven types of harmful content. Three of those categories focus on children: content used to bully a child, content that induces children to harm themselves, and content that sexually victimizes a child or revictimizes a survivor of child abuse.

The remaining four deal with other harms: content in which intimate images (including deepfakes) are shared without consent, content that incites violent extremism or terrorism, content that incites violence and content that promotes hatred.

That entire part of the legislation will be combined with another part of the original bill that proposes changes to how child pornography on the internet is reported and how those offences are handled.

Those two sections of the bill have been widely viewed as the more acceptable parts of the legislation, by experts and opposition parties alike.

But the decision means that the bill’s remaining two parts — proposed changes to the Criminal Code and the CHRA that have been deemed “draconian” and poorly thought out by critics — will be combined into one. 🤔

The legislation had proposed creating a stand-alone hate crime offence that could be applied to every offence in the Criminal Code, and could come with a maximum penalty of life in prison. Other changes involved upping penalties for hate propaganda offences, such as increasing the maximum penalty for advocating for or promoting genocide from five years to life imprisonment.

Ottawa has previously said the legislation is not intended to put people behind bars for life for expressing opinions (🤞), but instead would “twin” the new hate crime offence with existing Criminal Code offences “already punishable by a maximum of life in prison.” (?????)

The new offence was “partly” meant, government officials have said, to improve how hate-motivated offences are tracked and prosecuted.

The CHRA changes, meanwhile, would allow people to file online hate speech complaints — which could be enormous in volume — to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, which could result in financial penalties or content being removed.

Virani justified the split as necessary in a House of Commons that has been waylaid by debate on a single issue — whether the Liberals should pony up more unredacted documents tied to a scandal-plagued green technology funding agency — for more than two months. 😳

Or maybe…just maybe…the Libs could realize that they don’t have a majority in Parliament, and that they’re not representing the majority or Canadians?

Virani said the parliamentary impasse made the Liberals “rethink” how they should use their time to get parts of the bill past the legislative finish line…& I’m assuming they plan on this happening on the NDP/Liberal’s “opposition” day? Right? Jagmeet?

“I'm not going to look at the face of Canadian parents, of Canadian children, and tell them that I'm not going to do everything I can to protect those kids,” Virani said.
Or….& this is crazy, but….or the Liberals could just turn over the unredacted documents for the Green Slush Fund parliament ordered them to produce back in what? Initially May? Something like more than 1/2 a year ago?
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) welcomed the decision, saying in a statement that the more contentious parts of the legislation can now undergo the “focused scrutiny it deserves” (=dustbin)

The CCLA was one of more than 20 groups and experts who called, back in May, for the legislation to be split in two over free speech and other concerns.

In spite of the criticism, particularly due to the Israel-Hamas war and its ripple effects in Canada, the federal government has insisted the changes won’t infringe on Canadians’ freedoms. Pinky swear even!!!

Conservative justice critic Larry Brock told the Star in a statement that Virani was “desperately trying to salvage his deeply flawed legislation.”

“We will repeal Trudeau’s draconian censorship laws and bring home protection of children and Canadians online while protecting the rights and freedoms of Canadians,” the statement read.

P.S. for Jagmeet Singh. The cool kids are doing it…
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Virani said the parliamentary impasse made the Liberals “rethink” how they should use their time to get parts of the bill past the legislative finish line…& I’m assuming they plan on this happening on the NDP/Liberal’s “opposition” day? Right? Jagmeet?
The minority Liberals need the support of at least one other party in the House of Commons to survive such votes or pass any legislation.

The non-confidence vote was scheduled after Speaker Greg Fergus intervened to pause a filibuster on a privilege debate about a green technology fund.

The Conservatives have said they would only end that debate if the NDP agree to topple the government or if the Liberals turn over unredacted documents at the centre of the parliamentary gridlock.

The Conservative party will attempt to topple Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government once again with their third non-confidence motion of the fall.

Another two Conservative motions would be heard Monday and Tuesday, with both set for a vote on Tuesday, barring changes to those plans.
 

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Who cares about deforestation in Indonesia ? If they destroy natural habitat to plant palm or rubber trees what does that have to do with climate change ?
Palm and rubber trees have economic value. Most of the natural habitat does not.
 

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content that incites violent extremism or terrorism, content that incites violence and content that promotes hatred.
Trouble with that one is their algorithms just take a couple of key words without context and, Presto, you are in fascistbook jail again. Case in point. We were discussing a neighbour's inability or unwillingness to keep her garbage out of reach of bears. Since garbage bears are rutinely shot her, I suggested we shoot the people that leave garbage out instead of the bear, who is just doing what is natural. Fascistbook called that promoting hatred.
 
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You wont find a magic 8 ball that isnt cut with meth or fenty. We are the powerless proletariat. It has come to where left or right is meaningless. We are at the whims of the elite.
Of course , as it has always been .
 
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