Nigel Wright canned!

[tay]

While everyone is thinking that this is a chink in Stephen Harper's political armor I can't get over the fact that Mike Duffy is not only a lying cheating a-hole, but a self indignant backstabber as well. I remember when he used to be on CTV and I really liked him and so did most of the politicians from every stripe. He was funny, jovial, smart and he got along well while asking questions without outrage or drama.

Now? Wow! He ripped us off, got caught and thinks he should keep his job. If I got caught stealing at my job there would be no recourse for me. And to have him throw out the health card. Wow! I remember when I was medically released from the army after 12 years of service and after enduring three leg operations. I got my half pension, that I paid into, and nothing else. I guess you have to be morbidly obese a politician and a thief to get proper consideration for medical benefits. Oh, and a backstabbing scumbag too.

I know there are a multitude of threads on this site in multiple forums on the same subject and so one can miss the points but both have lied but Harper is lying more at this point.

Duffy and most of the Senators from either party have been allowed to run wild until revenge from the Libs for Marc Harb came into play and then the Duff and Wallin got outed..

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

While everyone is thinking that this is a chink in Stephen Harper's political armor

All right, enough with the ethnic slurs! If you must make references to people's origins, the correct term would be "a Chinese Canadian in Stephen Harper's political armor."

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

All right, enough with the ethnic slurs! If you must make references to people's origins, the correct term would be "a Chinese Canadian in Stephen Harper's political armor."

Yes, that sounds way less racist. LOL

I know there are a multitude of threads on this site in multiple forums on the same subject and so one can miss the points but both have lied but Harper is lying more at this point.

Duffy and most of the Senators from either party have been allowed to run wild until revenge from the Libs for Marc Harb came into play and then the Duff and Wallin got outed..

Lied more? Please...

Look, I don't know or care if the PM knew. I wouldn't care if a Liberal or an NDP PM knew, from where I stand the people here with the exception of these Senators did not embezzle taxpayers money. If Stephen Harper is lying, then he is lying about making a senator pay back expenses and reimbursing taxpayers which is a stark contrast to stealing money for fake advertising and filling ones pockets as was done by Jean Chretien's Liberals during Adscam.

This is political fodder, nothing more.

It seems creating a scandal has replaced coming up with ideas to capture the Canadian Peoples imagination and thus swaying their vote.

 

[JLM]

Yes, that sounds way less racist. LOL



Lied more? Please...

Look, I don't know or care if the PM knew. I wouldn't care if a Liberal or an NDP PM knew, from where I stand the people here with the exception of these Senators did not embezzle taxpayers money. If Stephen Harper is lying, then he is lying about making a senator pay back expenses and reimbursing taxpayers which is a stark contrast to stealing money for fake advertising and filling ones pockets as was done by Jean Chretien's Liberals during Adscam.

This is political fodder, nothing more.

It seems creating a scandal has replaced coming up with ideas to capture the Canadian Peoples imagination and thus swaying their vote.

That simply doesn't "fly" very well, the electorate who finances these reprobates has a right to know exactly what is transpiring in Gov't. - we should be able to look at a finance statement and know beyond a doubt where all money is coming from and who is receiving it. To say that one faction is better or worse than another is irrelevant. It's time to fire the whole kit and caboodle, appoint the Governor General to run the show until such time as competent and honest replacements can be elected.......... if that is even possible!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It seems creating a scandal has replaced coming up with ideas to capture the Canadian Peoples imagination and thus swaying their vote.

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

That simply doesn't "fly" very well, the electorate who finances these reprobates has a right to know exactly what is transpiring in Gov't. - we should be able to look at a finance statement and know beyond a doubt where all money is coming from and who is receiving it. To say that one faction is better or worse than another is irrelevant. It's time to fire the whole kit and caboodle, appoint the Governor General to run the show until such time as competent and honest replacements can be elected.......... if that is even possible!

That's not what I said JLM.

I'm not excusing the action, I am saying it is not a scandal on the same level of Adscam is like comparing Afghanistan to World War 2 as was claimed by tay.

I believe in transparency as well. I believe the senate is a body full of bodies who do nothing to keep the serving government in check, except to serve themselves. While the other guys, Mulcair and Trudeau will go to great lengths to pontificate about this senate scandal for political purposes neither of them will address the real issue and would most certainly stack the senate in their favor if elected to a majority.

 

[JLM]

That simply doesn't "fly" very well, the electorate who finances these reprobates has a right to know exactly what is transpiring in Gov't. - we should be able to look at a finance statement and know beyond a doubt where all money is coming from and who is receiving it. To say that one faction is better or worse than another is irrelevant. It's time to fire the whole kit and caboodle, appoint the Governor General to run the show until such time as competent and honest replacements can be elected.......... if that is even possible!

Sorry about that, I mistakenly took the meaning to be that what he did is O.K. as it is not as bad as what Chretien did. I personally think that what we "see" the P.M. doing is actually what he is doing!

 

[Goober]

All right, enough with the ethnic slurs! If you must make references to people's origins, the correct term would be "a Chinese Canadian in Stephen Harper's political armor."

And what would Duffy be "a colored gentleman in the woodpile"?

 

[damngrumpy]

There were three people in the office that day and they cooked up a scheme.
Think of how this likely went down from what we know.
First the rules as they were, allowed Duffy to do much of what he did. The problem
is if the public and the core base of Harpers support actually understood what the
rules are there would be hell to pay.
Remember what Duffy said? Harper told him doesn't matter this won't satisfy the
core base of the party. Some accounts on the original paper submitted claim that
Duffy is about 400 dollars over that can happen with paperwork.
Once when i was in agricultural politic I was about a hundred bucks over on the phone
bill from Ottawa. That was my first trip no one told me not to use the hotel phone cause
they are too expensive. That was to be excused, no I didn't know but the paperwork
didn't jive I paid the hundred bucks out of pocket and took the exercise as a lesson.
Nigel likely did come up with a quick solution I think and it looked simple and harmless.
I will take it out of my account and when things blow over pay it back in the meantime
we will smooth things over. The only other issues came right on the heels of it.
Pam Whalen and Brazeau. Once they came to light it was Duffy out of the bag and
it was too late to control. No one counted on Duffy taking a scorched earth position.
The party is now into it. the police are into it, the Senate is into it, and parliament
itself will likely see some sort of inquiry.
Harper made ethics and political morality and issue during the election when he made it
clear these issues would not be part of his governance. It is now at the center of his word.
It therefore is time to go before the next election.
Even worse he tried to make Mulcair an issue, that is not good.it raises issues outside
this one. Mulcair was a liberal in Quebec you were either a Liberal or a Seperatist.
He said something he couldn't prove while working for the party and the party paid through
the insurance they have for that. No conspiracy no attempting to hide a serious situation.
just paid as is protocol.
Didn't the same happen with Stockwell Day? I seem to rmember he made some nasty
comments about a defence lawyer defending his client who was a scuzz bag. he got sued
Didn't the Alberat Tories or the conservative government of the day cover the cost of the
suit? I seem to remember they did, again following protocol as he represented the party
or government of the day. I could be wrong but I believe they did.
Harper didn't do this above board they did whatever they did behind closed doors to make
the truth go away that in not ethical he should be held to account
(Spray Teflon Here) he might survive but he's damaged goods for an election.

Duffy may not be a liar he may be a conspirator, but he is not the liar
to the extent Harper is. Secondly he's not a backstabber. He was
hung out to dry. If it is true the Senate has an accounting system that
allows outrageous claims and he's four hundred dollars out, then he
is not a liar and indeed a victim of both Nigel and Harper. And these
fine gentlemen were intent on deceiving the members of the Party
itself and that is worse than anything.

 

[Goober]

There were three people in the office that day and they cooked up a scheme.
Think of how this likely went down from what we know.
First the rules as they were, allowed Duffy to do much of what he did. The problem
is if the public and the core base of Harpers support actually understood what the
rules are there would be hell to pay.
Remember what Duffy said? Harper told him doesn't matter this won't satisfy the
core base of the party. Some accounts on the original paper submitted claim that
Duffy is about 400 dollars over that can happen with paperwork.
Once when i was in agricultural politic I was about a hundred bucks over on the phone
bill from Ottawa. That was my first trip no one told me not to use the hotel phone cause
they are too expensive. That was to be excused, no I didn't know but the paperwork
didn't jive I paid the hundred bucks out of pocket and took the exercise as a lesson.
Nigel likely did come up with a quick solution I think and it looked simple and harmless.
I will take it out of my account and when things blow over pay it back in the meantime
we will smooth things over. The only other issues came right on the heels of it.
Pam Whalen and Brazeau. Once they came to light it was Duffy out of the bag and
it was too late to control. No one counted on Duffy taking a scorched earth position.
The party is now into it. the police are into it, the Senate is into it, and parliament
itself will likely see some sort of inquiry.
Harper made ethics and political morality and issue during the election when he made it
clear these issues would not be part of his governance. It is now at the center of his word.
It therefore is time to go before the next election.
Even worse he tried to make Mulcair an issue, that is not good.it raises issues outside
this one. Mulcair was a liberal in Quebec you were either a Liberal or a Seperatist.
He said something he couldn't prove while working for the party and the party paid through
the insurance they have for that. No conspiracy no attempting to hide a serious situation.
just paid as is protocol.
Didn't the same happen with Stockwell Day? I seem to rmember he made some nasty
comments about a defence lawyer defending his client who was a scuzz bag. he got sued
Didn't the Alberat Tories or the conservative government of the day cover the cost of the
suit? I seem to remember they did, again following protocol as he represented the party
or government of the day. I could be wrong but I believe they did.
Harper didn't do this above board they did whatever they did behind closed doors to make
the truth go away that in not ethical he should be held to account
(Spray Teflon Here) he might survive but he's damaged goods for an election.

Duffy may not be a liar he may be a conspirator, but he is not the liar
to the extent Harper is. Secondly he's not a backstabber. He was
hung out to dry. If it is true the Senate has an accounting system that
allows outrageous claims and he's four hundred dollars out, then he
is not a liar and indeed a victim of both Nigel and Harper. And these
fine gentlemen were intent on deceiving the members of the Party
itself and that is worse than anything.

No direct link to Harper on the payments.

 

[damngrumpy]

I believe its only a matter of time and time is running out Nigel was not
fired and the payment was not as secret as we were led to believe.
Besides in our society it no longer matters whether there is proof or not.
Perception is politics is more indepth than fact and this will bring Harper
down to a level the other bottom feeders can feast on. The new rift
between fiscal conservatives and ideological reformers is about to begin.
Not out front at first but it growing.

 

[JLM]

I believe its only a matter of time and time is running out Nigel was not
fired and the payment was not as secret as we were led to believe.
Besides in our society it no longer matters whether there is proof or not.
Perception is politics is more indepth than fact and this will bring Harper
down to a level the other bottom feeders can feast on. The new rift
between fiscal conservatives and ideological reformers is about to begin.
Not out front at first but it growing.

This nonsense has gone on far too long, time just to fire the whole sh*teree, and start from square one. How much has this whole fiasco cost the taxpayer already? Has to be in the $millions or close to it.

 

[Zipperfish]

The question we must ask is how long will Nigel Wright stay quiet???????

If he stays quiet there may be a Senate seat in it for him. I hear there might be a couple opening up.

 

[damngrumpy]

This is part of the problem. you can't just fire him or they would have done so.
He has to be found guilty of a crime or he can fight losing his Senate seat and
that would cost even more. The Senate as is cost us over 92 million a year
collectively and these peopl work maybe three months a year.
Instead of covering it up and moving on perhaps its time to deal with it open the
costitution and discuss it all of us. Any bet when you open the constitution we'll
be talking about Quebec for ten years?
It is not as simple as just scrapping it and moving on. We have safeguards against
rash behaviour. unfortunately the people engaged in rash behaviour and skirting
the rules are the very people who are supposed to protect the institutions and
uphold the rules. This is not nonsense it it the business of government and the misuse
of power by those sworn to do the right thing.

 

[Colpy]

The RCMP does not have enough evidence to charge the prime minister's former chief of staff, Nigel Wright, and it dropped its investigation against him, RCMP spokeswoman Lucy Shorey said Tuesday afternoon.
The RCMP had been investigating Wright since June regarding possible charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud, after Wright admitted to giving a gift of $90,000 to disgraced Sen. Mike Duffy.
"Upon completion of the investigation, we have concluded that the evidence gathered does not support criminal charges against Mr. Wright," Shorey said in an e-mail.
Wright said the $90,000 payment was supposed to help Duffy pay back taxpayers for a housing allowance that Duffy had inappropriately claimed.
Wright resigned last May and Duffy has since been suspended from the Senate pending results of the RCMP probe.
"I believed that my actions were always in the public interest and lawful. The outcome of the RCMP's detailed and thorough investigation has now upheld my position," Wright said Tuesday through his lawyer.


Sun News : RCMP abandons investigation into Nigel Wright

 

[JLM]

The RCMP does not have enough evidence to charge the prime minister's former chief of staff, Nigel Wright, and it dropped its investigation against him, RCMP spokeswoman Lucy Shorey said Tuesday afternoon.
The RCMP had been investigating Wright since June regarding possible charges of breach of trust, bribery and fraud, after Wright admitted to giving a gift of $90,000 to disgraced Sen. Mike Duffy.
"Upon completion of the investigation, we have concluded that the evidence gathered does not support criminal charges against Mr. Wright," Shorey said in an e-mail.
Wright said the $90,000 payment was supposed to help Duffy pay back taxpayers for a housing allowance that Duffy had inappropriately claimed.
Wright resigned last May and Duffy has since been suspended from the Senate pending results of the RCMP probe.
"I believed that my actions were always in the public interest and lawful. The outcome of the RCMP's detailed and thorough investigation has now upheld my position," Wright said Tuesday through his lawyer.


Sun News : RCMP abandons investigation into Nigel Wright

As distasteful as these creatures are, I doubt if there is a law on the books prohibiting people from transferring money to friends. (unless it is for an illegal substance or to do a hit job possibly)

 

[Colpy]

As distasteful as these creatures are, I doubt if there is a law on the books prohibiting people from transferring money to friends. (unless it is for an illegal substance or to do a hit job possibly)

Nigel Wright is far from distasteful. And Wright and Duffy are far from friends. The RCMP report referred to Wright's outrage at the way Duffy was misappropriating funds, as Wright refuses to even file expenses for himself. Wright is a man who gave up a multi-million dollar annual salary to serve the gov't of Canada, a man known for his scrupulous honesty, and a man so uipset at misuse of taxpayer dollars he took it on himself to repay it.

The greatest tragedy in this affair is that the PMO lost Nigel Wright.

 

[JLM]

Nigel Wright is far from distasteful. And Wright and Duffy are far from friends. The RCMP report referred to Wright's outrage at the way Duffy was misappropriating funds, as Wright refuses to even file expenses for himself. Wright is a man who gave up a multi-million dollar annual salary to serve the gov't of Canada, a man known for his scrupulous honesty, and a man so uipset at misuse of taxpayer dollars he took it on himself to repay it.

The greatest tragedy in this affair is that the PMO lost Nigel Wright.

Thanks for correcting me about Wright. I guess I was labeling all the fish in the barrel.