Nice American Article: US vs. Canada

[Reverend Blair]

Nice spam job, Canadian Observer.

Hey RB , ten to twenty percent of the bill , is that too hard for you .

When that ten to twenty percent can cause people to go bankrupt it sure as hell does, CO.

And one more thing , does your universal health care cover the medicine ??? mine in Ontario don't (sic).

No, and neither does the health care in the US. That's why Americans are coming to Canada to buy drugs...at least we have price controls. Of course the bozos that want to destroy our health care would also love to get rid of those.

I'm suggesting a system whereby the health care system could have access to millions of dollars which currently is being spend down in the US.

No, you are suggesting a system that would provide better care to those who can afford private plans and would, by its very nature, take medical professionals out of the system available to the rest of us even while it raises costs for the government.

If you want a system that works look at the Romanow Report. It's all in there. If you want to see which system is more efficient look at the plethora of studies that have been done showing that a mixed system is more expensive to operate.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Nice spam job, Canadian Observer.

Hey RB , ten to twenty percent of the bill , is that too hard for you .

When that ten to twenty percent can cause people to go bankrupt it sure as hell does, CO.

And one more thing , does your universal health care cover the medicine ??? mine in Ontario don't (sic).

No, and neither does the health care in the US. That's why Americans are coming to Canada to buy drugs...at least we have price controls. Of course the bozos that want to destroy our health care would also love to get rid of those.

I'm suggesting a system whereby the health care system could have access to millions of dollars which currently is being spend down in the US.

No, you are suggesting a system that would provide better care to those who can afford private plans and would, by its very nature, take medical professionals out of the system available to the rest of us even while it raises costs for the government.

If you want a system that works look at the Romanow Report. It's all in there. If you want to see which system is more efficient look at the plethora of studies that have been done showing that a mixed system is more expensive to operate.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I wouldn't allow the medical professional to leave the public health system. They wouldn't be able to hire themselves out to the highest paying customer. Everyone would still have the same doctors.

Maybe I didn't make that point clear. THERE WOULD BE NO PRIVATE CLINICS, still only public health care only you would be able to cut your wait time but not improve your priority rating.

Simply raising our taxes and throwing more money at the existing professionals doesn't fix the problem.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I wouldn't allow the medical professional to leave the public health system. They wouldn't be able to hire themselves out to the highest paying customer. Everyone would still have the same doctors.

Maybe I didn't make that point clear. THERE WOULD BE NO PRIVATE CLINICS, still only public health care only you would be able to cut your wait time but not improve your priority rating.

Simply raising our taxes and throwing more money at the existing professionals doesn't fix the problem.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I wouldn't allow the medical professional to leave the public health system. They wouldn't be able to hire themselves out to the highest paying customer. Everyone would still have the same doctors.

Maybe I didn't make that point clear. THERE WOULD BE NO PRIVATE CLINICS, still only public health care only you would be able to cut your wait time but not improve your priority rating.

Simply raising our taxes and throwing more money at the existing professionals doesn't fix the problem.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

I keep telling you to read the Romanow Report, tibear. It doesn't suggest tossing money around. Every time I hear somebody say that I know that they haven't done the reading and don't fully understand the problem.

Go do the reading. It's all I can suggest if you want to have a factual discussion about this..

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

I keep telling you to read the Romanow Report, tibear. It doesn't suggest tossing money around. Every time I hear somebody say that I know that they haven't done the reading and don't fully understand the problem.

Go do the reading. It's all I can suggest if you want to have a factual discussion about this..

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

I keep telling you to read the Romanow Report, tibear. It doesn't suggest tossing money around. Every time I hear somebody say that I know that they haven't done the reading and don't fully understand the problem.

Go do the reading. It's all I can suggest if you want to have a factual discussion about this..

 

[tibear]

RB,

Your right, I haven't read the Romanow report, however, I do remember when it was released it had a huge dollar cost associated with it. That and everytime the federal budget is announced, the media say the same thing, that the government isn't interested in implementing the Romanow Report because they haven't allocated enough money to the Health portforlio.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Your right, I haven't read the Romanow report, however, I do remember when it was released it had a huge dollar cost associated with it. That and everytime the federal budget is announced, the media say the same thing, that the government isn't interested in implementing the Romanow Report because they haven't allocated enough money to the Health portforlio.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Your right, I haven't read the Romanow report, however, I do remember when it was released it had a huge dollar cost associated with it. That and everytime the federal budget is announced, the media say the same thing, that the government isn't interested in implementing the Romanow Report because they haven't allocated enough money to the Health portforlio.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

The massive cost is mostly because the federal government underfunded health care starting with Mulroney. It's kind of like if the roof on your house leaks and you ignore it. When you finally decide to fix it the cost is much higher.

If you'd read the Romanow Report you'd find that there are recommendations for homecare, midwives, early detection of disease, a program to increase the number of medical professionals and so. Those are all measures that would reduce costs in the long run while providing the type of care that people are asking for.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

The massive cost is mostly because the federal government underfunded health care starting with Mulroney. It's kind of like if the roof on your house leaks and you ignore it. When you finally decide to fix it the cost is much higher.

If you'd read the Romanow Report you'd find that there are recommendations for homecare, midwives, early detection of disease, a program to increase the number of medical professionals and so. Those are all measures that would reduce costs in the long run while providing the type of care that people are asking for.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

The massive cost is mostly because the federal government underfunded health care starting with Mulroney. It's kind of like if the roof on your house leaks and you ignore it. When you finally decide to fix it the cost is much higher.

If you'd read the Romanow Report you'd find that there are recommendations for homecare, midwives, early detection of disease, a program to increase the number of medical professionals and so. Those are all measures that would reduce costs in the long run while providing the type of care that people are asking for.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Nice American Article: US vs. Canada

When the last time you wanted to see a specialist? How long was the wait? On a personal note, I told my GP about a mole that I thought had changed he wanted a dermatologist to look at because he agreed that it didn't look right. The appointment was 6 months later, then when the dermatologist took a look at it he also agreed that it should come out and because of where the mole was we had to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon. That was another 4 month wait to SEE the plastic surgeon who then scheduled the surgery for 3 months later. So all together it took 13 months for a mole that everyone believed could be cancerous was finally removed. ITS A 5 MINUTE PROCEDURE!!!!!!

That still happens here tibear. But in the US you would be paying the GP, deramtologist and the plastic surgeon. 10 to 20 percent adds up quickly. That is providing you qualify for medicare and medicaid. Which means you have to provide all your personal financial information to the hospital ( if requried and that is where most tests are performed), two agencies of the government and the doctors. I never had to provide one iota of financial information to the healthcare system in Canada.

10 to 20 percent is relative to your income. If you are at the lowest income level, that's what your looking at. As your income level rises so does the cost percentage. Now as Bush has cut money from the program...those in the middle will feel the pinch again. One must remember, if your looking at a long term illness. 10 to 20 percent is a lot. For a good health, not a great one, one that will pay abot 50% of your costs... your looking at $170 to $210 a month. The numbers rise significantly with added coverage.

I will admit , however, that prescription costs on the medicaid and medicare programs are cheap. Much cheaper than Canada. It sort of explains why doctors are so quick to push pills down here. However it kind of leads into a lot of questions about how much price gouging the pharmaceutical companies are gouging Americans.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Nice American Article: US vs. Canada

When the last time you wanted to see a specialist? How long was the wait? On a personal note, I told my GP about a mole that I thought had changed he wanted a dermatologist to look at because he agreed that it didn't look right. The appointment was 6 months later, then when the dermatologist took a look at it he also agreed that it should come out and because of where the mole was we had to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon. That was another 4 month wait to SEE the plastic surgeon who then scheduled the surgery for 3 months later. So all together it took 13 months for a mole that everyone believed could be cancerous was finally removed. ITS A 5 MINUTE PROCEDURE!!!!!!

That still happens here tibear. But in the US you would be paying the GP, deramtologist and the plastic surgeon. 10 to 20 percent adds up quickly. That is providing you qualify for medicare and medicaid. Which means you have to provide all your personal financial information to the hospital ( if requried and that is where most tests are performed), two agencies of the government and the doctors. I never had to provide one iota of financial information to the healthcare system in Canada.

10 to 20 percent is relative to your income. If you are at the lowest income level, that's what your looking at. As your income level rises so does the cost percentage. Now as Bush has cut money from the program...those in the middle will feel the pinch again. One must remember, if your looking at a long term illness. 10 to 20 percent is a lot. For a good health, not a great one, one that will pay abot 50% of your costs... your looking at $170 to $210 a month. The numbers rise significantly with added coverage.

I will admit , however, that prescription costs on the medicaid and medicare programs are cheap. Much cheaper than Canada. It sort of explains why doctors are so quick to push pills down here. However it kind of leads into a lot of questions about how much price gouging the pharmaceutical companies are gouging Americans.

 

[zenfisher]

Re: RE: Nice American Article: US vs. Canada

When the last time you wanted to see a specialist? How long was the wait? On a personal note, I told my GP about a mole that I thought had changed he wanted a dermatologist to look at because he agreed that it didn't look right. The appointment was 6 months later, then when the dermatologist took a look at it he also agreed that it should come out and because of where the mole was we had to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon. That was another 4 month wait to SEE the plastic surgeon who then scheduled the surgery for 3 months later. So all together it took 13 months for a mole that everyone believed could be cancerous was finally removed. ITS A 5 MINUTE PROCEDURE!!!!!!

That still happens here tibear. But in the US you would be paying the GP, deramtologist and the plastic surgeon. 10 to 20 percent adds up quickly. That is providing you qualify for medicare and medicaid. Which means you have to provide all your personal financial information to the hospital ( if requried and that is where most tests are performed), two agencies of the government and the doctors. I never had to provide one iota of financial information to the healthcare system in Canada.

10 to 20 percent is relative to your income. If you are at the lowest income level, that's what your looking at. As your income level rises so does the cost percentage. Now as Bush has cut money from the program...those in the middle will feel the pinch again. One must remember, if your looking at a long term illness. 10 to 20 percent is a lot. For a good health, not a great one, one that will pay abot 50% of your costs... your looking at $170 to $210 a month. The numbers rise significantly with added coverage.

I will admit , however, that prescription costs on the medicaid and medicare programs are cheap. Much cheaper than Canada. It sort of explains why doctors are so quick to push pills down here. However it kind of leads into a lot of questions about how much price gouging the pharmaceutical companies are gouging Americans.

 

[tibear]

zen,

What's your point??

Remember, I'm not advocating for a US style in Canada just one that allows Canadians to choose to spend their money in Canada instead of the US.

 

[tibear]

zen,

What's your point??

Remember, I'm not advocating for a US style in Canada just one that allows Canadians to choose to spend their money in Canada instead of the US.

 

[tibear]

zen,

What's your point??

Remember, I'm not advocating for a US style in Canada just one that allows Canadians to choose to spend their money in Canada instead of the US.