Nice American Article: US vs. Canada

[tibear]

LadyC,

I've not saying it we need to bring in US style healthcare but what about a hybred of the two.

A system where absolutely everyone is guaranteed health care however under certain situations may be able to shorten their wait periods by paying extra money.

Before anyone gets their shorts in a knot, let me continue. Say for knee-replacement surgery, the average wait now I think is about 1 year(I could be wrong), each patient would be placed in a "priority level" based on a set of criteria. If the patient desires, they may shorten their wait time but would not have the ability to raise their priority level. Then take the additional money that is going into the health care system and get more resources(surgeons, operating rooms, equipment, etc) to do knee-replacements which would then guarantee that all patients would have their wait times reduced. i.e. a patient pays say $1000 and has their wait time reduced from 12 months to 6 months, then take the money raised and acquire more resources to reduce the overall wait time from 12 months to say 9 or 10 months for the ones who don't wish to pay or can't afford.

Why let the rich simply leave the country and put their money into the hands of already rich doctors in the US, how about we try to get some of that money to stay in our Canadian health care system.

The rich are going to pay for shorten their wait times, how about trying to accomodate them in Canada?

 

[tibear]

LadyC,

I've not saying it we need to bring in US style healthcare but what about a hybred of the two.

A system where absolutely everyone is guaranteed health care however under certain situations may be able to shorten their wait periods by paying extra money.

Before anyone gets their shorts in a knot, let me continue. Say for knee-replacement surgery, the average wait now I think is about 1 year(I could be wrong), each patient would be placed in a "priority level" based on a set of criteria. If the patient desires, they may shorten their wait time but would not have the ability to raise their priority level. Then take the additional money that is going into the health care system and get more resources(surgeons, operating rooms, equipment, etc) to do knee-replacements which would then guarantee that all patients would have their wait times reduced. i.e. a patient pays say $1000 and has their wait time reduced from 12 months to 6 months, then take the money raised and acquire more resources to reduce the overall wait time from 12 months to say 9 or 10 months for the ones who don't wish to pay or can't afford.

Why let the rich simply leave the country and put their money into the hands of already rich doctors in the US, how about we try to get some of that money to stay in our Canadian health care system.

The rich are going to pay for shorten their wait times, how about trying to accomodate them in Canada?

 

[tibear]

LadyC,

I've not saying it we need to bring in US style healthcare but what about a hybred of the two.

A system where absolutely everyone is guaranteed health care however under certain situations may be able to shorten their wait periods by paying extra money.

Before anyone gets their shorts in a knot, let me continue. Say for knee-replacement surgery, the average wait now I think is about 1 year(I could be wrong), each patient would be placed in a "priority level" based on a set of criteria. If the patient desires, they may shorten their wait time but would not have the ability to raise their priority level. Then take the additional money that is going into the health care system and get more resources(surgeons, operating rooms, equipment, etc) to do knee-replacements which would then guarantee that all patients would have their wait times reduced. i.e. a patient pays say $1000 and has their wait time reduced from 12 months to 6 months, then take the money raised and acquire more resources to reduce the overall wait time from 12 months to say 9 or 10 months for the ones who don't wish to pay or can't afford.

Why let the rich simply leave the country and put their money into the hands of already rich doctors in the US, how about we try to get some of that money to stay in our Canadian health care system.

The rich are going to pay for shorten their wait times, how about trying to accomodate them in Canada?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

My grandfather had to wait over a year for his hip replacement. Of course he turned it down twice because it was harvest. Turns out they send you down the list when you tell them, "Not now." Of course if he would have gone in the first time he would have waited less than three months. If he'd gone in the second time it would have been about eight months. If he would have gone to the doctor when he should have in the first place it would have happened 3 or 4 years earlier.

My father has been getting excellent care for his Alzheimers since day one, including speech therapy. Soon he will have a home-care worker so my stepmother gets a break for a few hours once in a while.

My stepmother and my aunt both received prompt and excellent care for their cancer. Come to think of it, so did another aunt.

My mother has received excellent treatment for her medical problems.

We don't need a hybrid system, Tibear. The US system is more expensive on a per capita basis, is no more efficient for the majority of Americans, and kills poor people. You were yakking about abortion in another thread, so maybe you should compare infant mortality rates. The system you are promoting kills fetuses that are so viable they are already breathing air.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

My grandfather had to wait over a year for his hip replacement. Of course he turned it down twice because it was harvest. Turns out they send you down the list when you tell them, "Not now." Of course if he would have gone in the first time he would have waited less than three months. If he'd gone in the second time it would have been about eight months. If he would have gone to the doctor when he should have in the first place it would have happened 3 or 4 years earlier.

My father has been getting excellent care for his Alzheimers since day one, including speech therapy. Soon he will have a home-care worker so my stepmother gets a break for a few hours once in a while.

My stepmother and my aunt both received prompt and excellent care for their cancer. Come to think of it, so did another aunt.

My mother has received excellent treatment for her medical problems.

We don't need a hybrid system, Tibear. The US system is more expensive on a per capita basis, is no more efficient for the majority of Americans, and kills poor people. You were yakking about abortion in another thread, so maybe you should compare infant mortality rates. The system you are promoting kills fetuses that are so viable they are already breathing air.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

My grandfather had to wait over a year for his hip replacement. Of course he turned it down twice because it was harvest. Turns out they send you down the list when you tell them, "Not now." Of course if he would have gone in the first time he would have waited less than three months. If he'd gone in the second time it would have been about eight months. If he would have gone to the doctor when he should have in the first place it would have happened 3 or 4 years earlier.

My father has been getting excellent care for his Alzheimers since day one, including speech therapy. Soon he will have a home-care worker so my stepmother gets a break for a few hours once in a while.

My stepmother and my aunt both received prompt and excellent care for their cancer. Come to think of it, so did another aunt.

My mother has received excellent treatment for her medical problems.

We don't need a hybrid system, Tibear. The US system is more expensive on a per capita basis, is no more efficient for the majority of Americans, and kills poor people. You were yakking about abortion in another thread, so maybe you should compare infant mortality rates. The system you are promoting kills fetuses that are so viable they are already breathing air.

 

[Canadian Observer]

Reverend

Ever heard of the word MEDICARE. It does take care of people without insurance in the US. It would be same as the so called universal health care in canada. You know - long waits etc.
But they are taken care of . Otherwise , health care will be a big issue every election as in canada.

What do you think , uninsured Americans are dropping dead like flies? They are humans too. You and your liberal press really have the ball rolling in your Anti American propaganda.

Facts dont support your lies. Calm down, Anti American.

 

[Canadian Observer]

Reverend

Ever heard of the word MEDICARE. It does take care of people without insurance in the US. It would be same as the so called universal health care in canada. You know - long waits etc.
But they are taken care of . Otherwise , health care will be a big issue every election as in canada.

What do you think , uninsured Americans are dropping dead like flies? They are humans too. You and your liberal press really have the ball rolling in your Anti American propaganda.

Facts dont support your lies. Calm down, Anti American.

 

[Canadian Observer]

Reverend

Ever heard of the word MEDICARE. It does take care of people without insurance in the US. It would be same as the so called universal health care in canada. You know - long waits etc.
But they are taken care of . Otherwise , health care will be a big issue every election as in canada.

What do you think , uninsured Americans are dropping dead like flies? They are humans too. You and your liberal press really have the ball rolling in your Anti American propaganda.

Facts dont support your lies. Calm down, Anti American.

 

[zenfisher]

I've heard of Medicare ...In fact I've used it. Believe me it ain't free. You pay a percentage based on your income. Not all states have a good medicaid program.( also a form of aid) The working poor can expect to pay between ten and twenty percent of the bill. Underinsured wait until they can afford to get their medical needs taken care of.
Having used both systems...I find the Canadian system superior. They don't seem to be as eager to throw pills at a problem. They are less likely to use you as an "experiment".

This stat was just on the news today... half of all US bankruptcies were due to the inability to pay medical bills. How often does that stat pop up in Canada?

 

[zenfisher]

I've heard of Medicare ...In fact I've used it. Believe me it ain't free. You pay a percentage based on your income. Not all states have a good medicaid program.( also a form of aid) The working poor can expect to pay between ten and twenty percent of the bill. Underinsured wait until they can afford to get their medical needs taken care of.
Having used both systems...I find the Canadian system superior. They don't seem to be as eager to throw pills at a problem. They are less likely to use you as an "experiment".

This stat was just on the news today... half of all US bankruptcies were due to the inability to pay medical bills. How often does that stat pop up in Canada?

 

[zenfisher]

I've heard of Medicare ...In fact I've used it. Believe me it ain't free. You pay a percentage based on your income. Not all states have a good medicaid program.( also a form of aid) The working poor can expect to pay between ten and twenty percent of the bill. Underinsured wait until they can afford to get their medical needs taken care of.
Having used both systems...I find the Canadian system superior. They don't seem to be as eager to throw pills at a problem. They are less likely to use you as an "experiment".

This stat was just on the news today... half of all US bankruptcies were due to the inability to pay medical bills. How often does that stat pop up in Canada?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

See, Canadian Observer...you've been shown to be wrong already. By somebody living in Seattle too. You never even attampted to address the multitude of studies showing that a US-style system would cost us more and lead to those without insurance getting substandard care either.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

See, Canadian Observer...you've been shown to be wrong already. By somebody living in Seattle too. You never even attampted to address the multitude of studies showing that a US-style system would cost us more and lead to those without insurance getting substandard care either.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Nice American Article

See, Canadian Observer...you've been shown to be wrong already. By somebody living in Seattle too. You never even attampted to address the multitude of studies showing that a US-style system would cost us more and lead to those without insurance getting substandard care either.

 

[missile]

The Laws of louisiana are based on the Napoleanic Code,and are somewhat different than those of all the other American States. So,the Acadians do have a fair amount of influence in their affairs there!

 

[missile]

The Laws of louisiana are based on the Napoleanic Code,and are somewhat different than those of all the other American States. So,the Acadians do have a fair amount of influence in their affairs there!

 

[missile]

The Laws of louisiana are based on the Napoleanic Code,and are somewhat different than those of all the other American States. So,the Acadians do have a fair amount of influence in their affairs there!

 

[tibear]

RB,

Did y ou even read my post??? When did I ever suggest we introduce US healthcare. I'm not proposing to do away with universal healthcare.

I'm glad your family has received appropriate health care when they required it. However, this certainly isn't the norm, we have stories everyday in the media about health care and the problems with wait times and lack of resources. Are you telling me that everything is hunky-dory with our medical system??

If our system is so good why are there so many wealthy Canadians who are going south to get their health care needs satisfied??

When the last time you wanted to see a specialist? How long was the wait? On a personal note, I told my GP about a mole that I thought had changed he wanted a dermatologist to look at because he agreed that it didn't look right. The appointment was 6 months later, then when the dermatologist took a look at it he also agreed that it should come out and because of where the mole was we had to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon. That was another 4 month wait to SEE the plastic surgeon who then scheduled the surgery for 3 months later. So all together it took 13 months for a mole that everyone believed could be cancerous was finally removed. ITS A 5 MINUTE PROCEDURE!!!!!! Luckily it turned out not to be cancerous but it wasn't normal either. We're all told to check moles regularly and that we shouldn't wait to have them checked out. I did my part by bringing to my GP's attention. Then OUR health system dropped the ball for 13 long months.

Again, I'm not suggesting we abandon our health care system, but am trying to make suggestions that would allow for extra money to be generated for the health care system that Canadians are going to spend south of the border. I appreciate a good discussion, but find it difficult to debate with someone who puts words in my mouth.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Did y ou even read my post??? When did I ever suggest we introduce US healthcare. I'm not proposing to do away with universal healthcare.

I'm glad your family has received appropriate health care when they required it. However, this certainly isn't the norm, we have stories everyday in the media about health care and the problems with wait times and lack of resources. Are you telling me that everything is hunky-dory with our medical system??

If our system is so good why are there so many wealthy Canadians who are going south to get their health care needs satisfied??

When the last time you wanted to see a specialist? How long was the wait? On a personal note, I told my GP about a mole that I thought had changed he wanted a dermatologist to look at because he agreed that it didn't look right. The appointment was 6 months later, then when the dermatologist took a look at it he also agreed that it should come out and because of where the mole was we had to make an appointment with a plastic surgeon. That was another 4 month wait to SEE the plastic surgeon who then scheduled the surgery for 3 months later. So all together it took 13 months for a mole that everyone believed could be cancerous was finally removed. ITS A 5 MINUTE PROCEDURE!!!!!! Luckily it turned out not to be cancerous but it wasn't normal either. We're all told to check moles regularly and that we shouldn't wait to have them checked out. I did my part by bringing to my GP's attention. Then OUR health system dropped the ball for 13 long months.

Again, I'm not suggesting we abandon our health care system, but am trying to make suggestions that would allow for extra money to be generated for the health care system that Canadians are going to spend south of the border. I appreciate a good discussion, but find it difficult to debate with someone who puts words in my mouth.