News Flash: God is Dead

[Niflmir]

Awesome! I've gotta see this. We have the quantum gravity but with can we use for the nothing?

Say Doc, you got a minute? :lol:

Using the field equations, you derive the Friedmann equations to describe the large scale structure of the universe. Then you write those equations in a Hamiltonian form and subsequently convert it to a quantum theory by performing canonical quantization.

What you end up with is a quantum theory with a negative potential. Then, although the total energy may be zero the state of the system can evolve into the area of negative total potential by creating positive kinematical energy in the gravitational field which balances the negative energy of the total gravitational potential.

The same sort of thing happens with a hydrogen atom. Start an electron (the universe by analogy) off with zero energy. A proton (the gravitational field of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker universe) has a negative potential with respect to the free electron. During evolution, the electron radiates photons (matter) and subsequently becomes bound to the proton. The energy will always balance to zero.

 

[MikeyDB]

Niflmir

What's the impetus behind "evolution"....as you've stated in your contribution?

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Using the field equations, you derive the Friedmann equations to describe the large scale structure of the universe. Then you write those equations in a Hamiltonian form and subsequently convert it to a quantum theory by performing canonical quantization.

What you end up with is a quantum theory with a negative potential. Then, although the total energy may be zero the state of the system can evolve into the area of negative total potential by creating positive kinematical energy in the gravitational field which balances the negative energy of the total gravitational potential.

The same sort of thing happens with a hydrogen atom. Start an electron (the universe by analogy) off with zero energy. A proton (the gravitational field of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker universe) has a negative potential with respect to the free electron. During evolution, the electron radiates photons (matter) and subsequently becomes bound to the proton. The energy will always balance to zero.

yeah Unf...what he said

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Awesome! I've gotta see this. We have the quantum gravity but with can we use for the nothing?

Say Doc, you got a minute? :lol:

there is hope...By Jove ......

done in my very best Ben Hur ...remember when Ben returns to his home and the old guy now crippled sees him....He looks up with astonishement and goes
"Juda Ben Hur!!!!!"


ok ...here goes...clears throat, gets into character.......
"Unforgiven called me Doc!!!!"

 

[s_lone]

What Nietzsche meant when he said "God is dead," is that the masses were beginning to realize that God was nothing more than an idea. It is a metaphor which is meant to say, "God is now an outdated or useless concept," because through the renaissance people could answer all the questions that needed answers in other ways. To say that God is everything is tautological, and so just as useless by Nietzsche's view, therefore just as dead.

I understand what you say about Nietzche. But I was reacting to the title and the first post of this thread, which did not mention Nietzche. All I'm saying is that you can't say God is dead without defining what ''God'' is. Nietzche was reacting to the Christian notion of 'God' but there are many other ways to conceive 'God'.

Define what you mean by ''God'' and THEN, tell me if God is dead or not.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

you can't define God...if you could ,Buddha would have....you can only point.

 

[look3467]

Back in the 60's or 70's, someone said god was dead and the news media picked up on it. Well, by me, God is very much alive, I know it, I feel it and my life is blessed every bit by it.

Now, as for some of you who don't believe, that's OK too. But all I can say, is that your missing out on a great blessing.

This blessing comes only by acknowledging Him.

But, like I said, that's OK not to believe, foe I am not missing out on anything.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[thomaska]

One of my favorite quotes on the issue comes from Douglas Adams: "God created man in his own image, and man, being a gentleman, returned the compliment."

My favorite Douglas Adams quote went something like, "In the begining, the universe was created, and this was seen as a generally bad move".

 

[karrie]

My favorite Douglas Adams quote went something like, "In the begining, the universe was created, and this was seen as a generally bad move".

That was my sig quote for ages. lol. Adams was brilliant.

 

[china]

Curiosity,

If we cannot enjoy what we have and understand there is a cause or design making it happen - it fits in with our need for organized thought in our brain and our emotional life.

Can thought ,which is the cause of the "brain disorder" ,create an order in the brain?
The total awareness of disorder in relationship both private and public, personal and distant, an awareness of what is without any choice during conscious hours during the day, brings order out of disorder. Then the brain has no need to seek order during sleep. Then dreams are only superficial, without meaning. Order in the whole of consciousness, not merely at the conscious level, takes place when division between the observer and the observed ceases completely. What is, is transcended when the observer who is the past, who is time, comes to an end. The active present, the what is, is not in the bondage of time as the observer is.Only when the mind – the brain and the organism – during sleep has this total order, is there an awareness of that wordless state, that timeless movement. This is not some fanciful dream, an abstraction of escape.The brain is active, waking or sleeping, but the constant conflict between order and disorder wears down the brain. Order is the highest form of virtue, sensitivity, intelligence. When there is this great beauty of order, harmony, the brain is not endlessly active; certain parts of it have to carry the burden of memory but that is a very small part; the rest of the brain is free from the noise of experience. That freedom is the order, the harmony, of silence. This freedom and the noise of memory move together; intelligence is the action of this movement. Meditation is freedom from the known and yet operating in the field of the known. There is no ‘me’ as the operator. In sleep or awake this meditation goes on.

 

[Niflmir]

I understand what you say about Nietzche. But I was reacting to the title and the first post of this thread, which did not mention Nietzche. All I'm saying is that you can't say God is dead without defining what ''God'' is. Nietzche was reacting to the Christian notion of 'God' but there are many other ways to conceive 'God'.

Define what you mean by ''God'' and THEN, tell me if God is dead or not.

Point well taken.

Niflmir

What's the impetus behind "evolution"....as you've stated in your contribution?

Certain differential equations depend on time. When I say evolution in the context of a mathematical model I simply mean how the function changes in time.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

God is not a testable hypothesis (did I spell it right)? Like, what can the god-guy/girl in a practical way for me/us?
Instead of being an opiate of the masses, many people want pot to be legalized. A very sensible transition in my opinion. A safe supply to consume during a hockey in the privacy of our living/rec rooms.

Living at present in Korea, Koreans have the nuttiest prejudices. For example before they get married it is important to know a person's blood type. Then, every time you eat with them, their food, their sacred food, has all these superhealthy qualities. Then my students say "Canada is a Christian country". So I have to tell them that religion is overrated. The fewer irrational Asiatic beliefes Canadians have, the better off we will be.

 

[Minority Observer84]

With all of our great discoveries and contributions to our world in science, medicine, art, music, literature, and general evolutionary progression.... we still cannot connect with our reasons for life.

I have strange beliefs regarding a deity but in the alternate, I find it necessary and grounding to believe there is a reason and purpose and an intelligent life-form behind all of this....

For the non-believers, please come up with a rational substitution. waiting....waiting....waiting....sigh

Substitution for what ?
You profess to believe that that there is a purpose and reason and most importantly an intelligent life form behind creation because it's necessary and grounding , why?
You make and irrational statement and then ask for a rational substitution which is as you might have guessed an irrational train of thought . So no i have no rational answer for you logic was never part of your question .

 

[look3467]

To the rational mind, the things of God are irrational.

There is no way the rational mind can fathom the likes of God unless that mind is transformed.
That transformation can only be activated by God Himself.

Hearing of the word of God is faith achieved in God, and the transformation of the mind begins to develop.

The very best tool for God is the opposition. Only then will a true believer be made known when the rational mind is transformed to that of Gods.

There is no escape from that regardless of how intelligent we may be.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Unforgiven]

To the rational mind, the things of God are irrational.

There is no way the rational mind can fathom the likes of God unless that mind is transformed.
That transformation can only be activated by God Himself.

Hearing of the word of God is faith achieved in God, and the transformation of the mind begins to develop.

The very best tool for God is the opposition. Only then will a true believer be made known when the rational mind is transformed to that of Gods.

There is no escape from that regardless of how intelligent we may be.

Peace>>>AJ

So all who think as you do will have the mind of God?

 

[look3467]

So all who think as you do will have the mind of God?

All who want to know God for who He is will recieve the mind of God to understand His mysteries.

Let's not missunderstand me, to have the mind of God is not to be God, but to think like He thinks concerning our journey through this earth.

Mankind thinks what God is like and is called religion.

To think like God, is to understand that love comes from the top down, and to be excercised by as many as would desire to known about this love, which is God.

If something we want is hidden, then we must work to find it. Once we find it, we cease to work. But, while we are searching, we are learning, as we learn, we grow towards a mature faith in God and began to understand the mystery of Godliness.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Minority Observer84]

To the rational mind, the things of God are irrational.

There is no way the rational mind can fathom the likes of God unless that mind is transformed.
That transformation can only be activated by God Himself.

The word is not transformed it's lobotomised.

 

[Unforgiven]

All who want to know God for who He is will recieve the mind of God to understand His mysteries.

Let's not missunderstand me, to have the mind of God is not to be God, but to think like He thinks concerning our journey through this earth.

Mankind thinks what God is like and is called religion.

To think like God, is to understand that love comes from the top down, and to be excercised by as many as would desire to known about this love, which is God.

If something we want is hidden, then we must work to find it. Once we find it, we cease to work. But, while we are searching, we are learning, as we learn, we grow towards a mature faith in God and began to understand the mystery of Godliness.

Peace>>>AJ

But this can't be right. It's all paradox and word play. If God doesn't exist then how in the world could anyone know "his" mind? What's more, if there is some benevolent invisible man in the sky, why all the suffering?

 

[look3467]

But this can't be right. It's all paradox and word play. If God doesn't exist then how in the world could anyone know "his" mind? What's more, if there is some benevolent invisible man in the sky, why all the suffering?

You got a good point there in which fits what I said precisely. Unless God opens your minds eye to see, you can not see His existence.

Now how is one's minds eye to see gets opened?

It says, in the word of God, that faith comes by hearing the word which stirs up the inner man of the heart to believe.

For the second part of your question, "why all the suffering"?

Suffering is a trial of life that all who are in the flesh are particpants in regardless of views.

It is a designed feature to extrapulate good out of chaos as an end result to Godliness.

Nothing could be gained if there is no measure of suffering.

A desire to reach the top of mount Everest can not be reached by just thinking about it, but by action through suffering the elements of the climb.

God can be said to be our mount everest, and if we just think about it, renders no gain. But if we focus on Him as a desire, then our climbing and enduring the elements of the climb are made a joy.

Though death may result due to an exident, still the joy of desire to reach Him, and the risk envolved is all swallowed up in the love for Him.

Passion to reach the top swallows all risks and endures all sufferrings with joy.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Unforgiven]

You got a good point there in which fits what I said precisely. Unless God opens your minds eye to see, you can not see His existence.

But this is opposite to the way everything else works. Is that a strange way of doing things?

Now how is one's minds eye to see gets opened?

It says, in the word of God, that faith comes by hearing the word which stirs up the inner man of the heart to believe.

What do you mean by "the word of God"?

For the second part of your question, "why all the suffering"?

Suffering is a trial of life that all who are in the flesh are particpants in regardless of views.

It is a designed feature to extrapulate good out of chaos as an end result to Godliness.

Nothing could be gained if there is no measure of suffering.

A desire to reach the top of mount Everest can not be reached by just thinking about it, but by action through suffering the elements of the climb.

God can be said to be our mount everest, and if we just think about it, renders no gain. But if we focus on Him as a desire, then our climbing and enduring the elements of the climb are made a joy.

Though death may result due to an exident, still the joy of desire to reach Him, and the risk envolved is all swallowed up in the love for Him.

Passion to reach the top swallows all risks and endures all sufferrings with joy.

Peace>>>AJ

This makes little sense to me. Babies born into a period of horrible pain only to die, doesn't much sound like a way to find God. I don't think having a difficult time doing something you choose is really suffering at all. Something that you can't control being thrust upon you without hope for relief is what I would call suffering.

All those who have no inner eye to open yet suffer the worst maladies are what to God? Sacrifice? It makes no sense to me at all.

But what does make sense to me is that someone could write a book and call it the word of God and push people to live by that code of conduct and disowning the one they choose for themselves. Then changing that code to fit a vision of the future where they hold great power unto themselves.

Wouldn't that be a little more typical of what we humans have and continue to do?