New United Nations Human Rights Council

[darkbeaver]

RE: New United Nations Hu

Bolton has compared the situation in Iran to the 9/11 incident, in an interview on ABC yesterday, this crap directed at the American masses is in keeping with the rhetoric designed to engender blind uninformed support among the idiot western hydrocarbon junkies, all for the coming destruction of Iran.

 

[Jay]

Iran has simple rules to follow if it wants to aviod war....but I don't think they want to aviod it.

 

[Johnny Utah]

First of all, most people who critisize Kofi Annan are not fit to polish his shoes. Certainly not Bolton.
The U.S. wants a UN that stands solemnly every morning and sings the "Star Spangled Banner", and bows towards Washington every evening.

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Sorry Juan, but you should tell that bit about Kofi Annan to the thousands of Rwandans that turned out for his visit.....only to turn their backs on his motorcade as it came down the road.

Quite an insult in central Africa, I'm told.

When Rwanda happen I don't believe Kofi"UNSCAM"Annan was the UN Secretary General, however the Sudan massacare happen under Kofi's watch. Kofi"UNSCAM"Annan is corrupt as they come.

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: New United Nations Human Rights Council

Iran has simple rules to follow if it wants to aviod war....but I don't think they want to aviod it.

There is no rules that Iran could follow to avoid war with the Empire save total capitulation, if there were no Iranian nuclear program some other lame excuse would be fabricated and used to invade, the goal is not the WMDs it is the oil. The US will not allow the region to slip from it,s control, and that control must be complete.

 

[Jay]

BS.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: New United Nations Human Rights Council

Iran has simple rules to follow if it wants to aviod war....but I don't think they want to aviod it.

There is no rules that Iran could follow to avoid war with the Empire save total capitulation, if there were no Iranian nuclear program some other lame excuse would be fabricated and used to invade, the goal is not the WMDs it is the oil. The US will not allow the region to slip from it,s control, and that control must be complete.

Oil, Oil Oil it's always Oil isn't it? :lol:

Iran is the biggest sponsor of Terrorism, this is about stopping them from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon, your Anti-Americanism blinds you to the truth. Thankgod there are leaders who see the real picture and will stop Iran from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon. Incase you didn't know a Nuclear Weapon is a WMD.

 

[Jay]

We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter

 

[#juan]

Johnny Utah wrote:

When Rwanda happen I don't believe Kofi"UNSCAM"Annan was the UN Secretary General, however the Sudan massacare happen under Kofi's watch. Kofi"UNSCAM"Annan is corrupt as they come.

Are you talking about the food for oil smozzle? If you are, you don't know what you are talking about. The "food for oil" scam was run almost entirely by the U.S. navy. Kofi Annan warned the leaders of that particular camel "censored" about 71 different possible breeches where money could be misdirected but the Americans ignored every one. It wasn't the UN that was corrupt. You guess who was corrupt.

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: New United Nations Human Rights Council

Iran has simple rules to follow if it wants to aviod war....but I don't think they want to aviod it.

There is no rules that Iran could follow to avoid war with the Empire save total capitulation, if there were no Iranian nuclear program some other lame excuse would be fabricated and used to invade, the goal is not the WMDs it is the oil. The US will not allow the region to slip from it,s control, and that control must be complete.

Oil, Oil Oil it's always Oil isn't it? :lol:

Iran is the biggest sponsor of Terrorism, this is about stopping them from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon, your Anti-Americanism blinds you to the truth. Thankgod there are leaders who see the real picture and will stop Iran from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon. Incase you didn't know a Nuclear Weapon is a WMD.

The biggest terrorist nation that the world has ever seen is the USA. Your pro-americanism blinds you to the truth. Who,s going to stop the USA from building more WMDs.

 

[Johnny Utah]

We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.
Ann Coulter

Ann Coulter is right as she always is. This is a War against Islamic Fundamentalism which started before 9/11 and only came to North America on 9/11. This War started when The United States Embassy was taken over in Iran or perhaps even before that.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: New United Nations Human Rights Council

Iran has simple rules to follow if it wants to aviod war....but I don't think they want to aviod it.

There is no rules that Iran could follow to avoid war with the Empire save total capitulation, if there were no Iranian nuclear program some other lame excuse would be fabricated and used to invade, the goal is not the WMDs it is the oil. The US will not allow the region to slip from it,s control, and that control must be complete.

Oil, Oil Oil it's always Oil isn't it? :lol:

Iran is the biggest sponsor of Terrorism, this is about stopping them from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon, your Anti-Americanism blinds you to the truth. Thankgod there are leaders who see the real picture and will stop Iran from obtaining a Nuclear Weapon. Incase you didn't know a Nuclear Weapon is a WMD.

The biggest terrorist nation that the world has ever seen is the USA. Your pro-americanism blinds you to the truth. Who,s going to stop the USA from building more WMDs.

So if you think the United States is the Worlds biggest Terrorists do you think Al Qaeda are innocent? Your blind as Stevie Wonder.

I have a few choice words to describe someone like you who calls the United States the Worlds biggest Terrorist, but I will refrain from using them as your nothing more then a joke. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. :wink:

 

[Jay]

Ann Coulter is right as she always is. This is a War against Islamic Fundamentalism which started before 9/11 and only came to North America on 9/11. This War started when The United States Embassy was taken over in Iran or perhaps even before that.

And Liberals don't want to fight it. They are willing to risk the West to Islamic fundamentalism....to their demise, as under the crazy's law and thumb screws, our liberals would be the first to be put under. Liberalism is intellectually bankrupt.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Ann Coulter is right as she always is. This is a War against Islamic Fundamentalism which started before 9/11 and only came to North America on 9/11. This War started when The United States Embassy was taken over in Iran or perhaps even before that.

And Liberals don't want to fight it. They are willing to risk the West to Islamic fundamentalism....to their demise, as under the crazy's law and thumb screws, our liberals would be the first to be put under. Liberalism is intellectually bankrupt.

Radical Liberals(This does not mean all Liberals) in Canada and the United States want an European style form of Government. Look what happen to France who embraced that style of Government, they had the riots.

 

[mabudon]

RE: New United Nations Hu

Personally I find that the only real complaints most folks can bring against the UN are pure talking points, plain and simple

A body such as the UN is necessary in these times of "free trade" and "pre-emptive wars" (or for that matter, wars fought undeclared against concepts rather than nations)

And to the Neo-Cans- why is it that North Korea isn't in the crosshairs right now?? By all accounts I have read from the propaganda mill, they already HAVE nukes (ask your average American and I think you'd find that most of the uninformed poulation believes this to be true.. likely the same about Iran, but whatever)
Korea doesn't have at least ONE resource (and remember the PNAC here, and the aims set out in their primary document) that Iran has, so despite the more imminent threat posed by North Korea (and I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't see a strike against North American civilians in a military sense from either nation as being a possibility unless either were to be struck "pre-emptively" first) the war drums are being beaten for the coming attempt on Iran....
I really hope we get "invited" to take part, since we lost out LARGE when we failed to join the Freedom Spreading in Iraq and we really have got to do something to get back in the good books....

If there really were a benevolent and omnipresent agency such as the UN is supposed to represent (rather than the Western-power-shackled entity we have now) I think there would already be charges laid against the Western media for fearmongering or some such thing, international defamation at the very least....

Here's hoping one day we get what we really need on this planet

 

[Colpy]

Sorry Colpy

But I don't think the Rwandan tragedy was Kofi Annan's fault. The Canadian general Dallaire just about drove himself crazy trying to get major member states to even look at what was going on.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/afr868.doc.htm

That is true, and the United States (under Clinton) bears a lot responsibility for refusing to respond, along with every other major nation of the west.

However, D'Allaire was prevented from doing what he could with forces under his command in Rwanda. He was forewarned, and intended to take out the radio station (thus making it impossible to issue orders to the militias in the countryside), and seize arms caches. He was ordered to stand down by our own Gen. Baril, who headed military operations for the UN, under Kofi Annan, who was director of the Department of Peace Keeping Operations.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: New United Nations Hu

Personally I find that the only real complaints most folks can bring against the UN are pure talking points, plain and simple

A body such as the UN is necessary in these times of "free trade" and "pre-emptive wars" (or for that matter, wars fought undeclared against concepts rather than nations)

And to the Neo-Cans- why is it that North Korea isn't in the crosshairs right now?? By all accounts I have read from the propaganda mill, they already HAVE nukes (ask your average American and I think you'd find that most of the uninformed poulation believes this to be true.. likely the same about Iran, but whatever)
Korea doesn't have at least ONE resource (and remember the PNAC here, and the aims set out in their primary document) that Iran has, so despite the more imminent threat posed by North Korea (and I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't see a strike against North American civilians in a military sense from either nation as being a possibility unless either were to be struck "pre-emptively" first) the war drums are being beaten for the coming attempt on Iran....
I really hope we get "invited" to take part, since we lost out LARGE when we failed to join the Freedom Spreading in Iraq and we really have got to do something to get back in the good books....

If there really were a benevolent and omnipresent agency such as the UN is supposed to represent (rather than the Western-power-shackled entity we have now) I think there would already be charges laid against the Western media for fearmongering or some such thing, international defamation at the very least....

Here's hoping one day we get what we really need on this planet

I'd be happy to send bombs into Korea...but we do have things to consider, like South Korea and do you think China will stay out of or even help? No, they enjoy the USA's hands being tied.

Come on China...step it up, make North Korea a crappie little province like you did Tibet.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: New United Nations Hu

Personally I find that the only real complaints most folks can bring against the UN are pure talking points, plain and simple

A body such as the UN is necessary in these times of "free trade" and "pre-emptive wars" (or for that matter, wars fought undeclared against concepts rather than nations)

And to the Neo-Cans- why is it that North Korea isn't in the crosshairs right now?? By all accounts I have read from the propaganda mill, they already HAVE nukes (ask your average American and I think you'd find that most of the uninformed poulation believes this to be true.. likely the same about Iran, but whatever)
Korea doesn't have at least ONE resource (and remember the PNAC here, and the aims set out in their primary document) that Iran has, so despite the more imminent threat posed by North Korea (and I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't see a strike against North American civilians in a military sense from either nation as being a possibility unless either were to be struck "pre-emptively" first) the war drums are being beaten for the coming attempt on Iran....
I really hope we get "invited" to take part, since we lost out LARGE when we failed to join the Freedom Spreading in Iraq and we really have got to do something to get back in the good books....

If there really were a benevolent and omnipresent agency such as the UN is supposed to represent (rather than the Western-power-shackled entity we have now) I think there would already be charges laid against the Western media for fearmongering or some such thing, international defamation at the very least....

Here's hoping one day we get what we really need on this planet

The complaints against the UN are real. They did nothing and let the massacare in Rwanda happen, they did nothing and let the massacare in the Sudan happen. Theres the UN Oil for Food scandal, those are a few real issues of how the UN is irrelevant. The biggest problem with the UN is they had a purpose when the Cold War was on, when the Cold War ended they didn't change to meet the needs of the new World in which they became irrelevant.

As for North Korea, well China keeps them on a leash, China doesn't want a War with North Korea in it's backyard. Another reason a strike doesn't happen on North Korea is they would strike back at Seoul with their WMD'S killing perhaps Millions. The key to keeping North Korea on it's leash and perhaps getting rid of it's Nuclear program is China.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: New United Nations Hu

Personally I find that the only real complaints most folks can bring against the UN are pure talking points, plain and simple

A body such as the UN is necessary in these times of "free trade" and "pre-emptive wars" (or for that matter, wars fought undeclared against concepts rather than nations)

And to the Neo-Cans- why is it that North Korea isn't in the crosshairs right now?? By all accounts I have read from the propaganda mill, they already HAVE nukes (ask your average American and I think you'd find that most of the uninformed poulation believes this to be true.. likely the same about Iran, but whatever)
Korea doesn't have at least ONE resource (and remember the PNAC here, and the aims set out in their primary document) that Iran has, so despite the more imminent threat posed by North Korea (and I'm playing devils advocate here, I don't see a strike against North American civilians in a military sense from either nation as being a possibility unless either were to be struck "pre-emptively" first) the war drums are being beaten for the coming attempt on Iran....
I really hope we get "invited" to take part, since we lost out LARGE when we failed to join the Freedom Spreading in Iraq and we really have got to do something to get back in the good books....

If there really were a benevolent and omnipresent agency such as the UN is supposed to represent (rather than the Western-power-shackled entity we have now) I think there would already be charges laid against the Western media for fearmongering or some such thing, international defamation at the very least....

Here's hoping one day we get what we really need on this planet

North Korea is a very close friend of China.

The capital of South Korea is very close to the demilitarized zone, and would be instantly destroyed in any attack on North Korea, even using conventional weapons. (within 30 kilometers)

Korea is simply not as strategically important as Iran, which can close off oil shipments through the Gulf.

Korea has not promised to use nukes to completely destroy a specific nation, as the leaders of Iran have.

More to the point, ex-President Carter negotiated a peace, love, and groovy deal with North Korea in the nineties, which was supposed to stop them building nukes.

Yeah RIGHT.

Let's NOT do that again.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Sorry Colpy

But I don't think the Rwandan tragedy was Kofi Annan's fault. The Canadian general Dallaire just about drove himself crazy trying to get major member states to even look at what was going on.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/afr868.doc.htm

That is true, and the United States (under Clinton) bears a lot responsibility for refusing to respond, along with every other major nation of the west.

However, D'Allaire was prevented from doing what he could with forces under his command in Rwanda. He was forewarned, and intended to take out the radio station (thus making it impossible to issue orders to the militias in the countryside), and seize arms caches. He was ordered to stand down by our own Gen. Baril, who headed military operations for the UN, under Kofi Annan, who was director of the Department of Peace Keeping Operations.

The reason Clinton didn't respond is Rwanda happen around a year after the Battle of Mogadishu in Somalia(Black Hawk Down).

 

[Colpy]

Yeah, I know.

Once burned, twice shy.